Bloomberg: China's economy in for bumpy ride
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ByBloomberg News

December 8, 2022 at 12:36 PM GMT+8

Three years after the first case of Covid-19 was reported in Wuhan, Chinese policymakers must now grapple with how to live with the virus while keeping the economy growing fast enough to stave off public anger.

With the Covid Zero policy being rapidly dismantled, the threat of economic disruption remains high. Infections are likely to surge, forcing workers to stay home, businesses may run out of supplies, restaurants could be emptied of customers and hospitals will fill up. Even though there’s optimism the economy will recover as China opens up to the rest of the world, the next six months could be particularly volatile.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. expects below-consensus economic growth in the first half of next year, saying the initial stages of reopening will be negative for the economy, as was the experience in other East Asian economies. Morgan Stanley predicts China’s economy to remain “subpar” through the first half of next year. Standard Chartered Plc said growth in urban consumer spending will still lag pre-pandemic rates next year given the hit to household incomes during the pandemic.

The economy was already in bad shape this year because of the Covid outbreaks and a property market crisis. While China’s zero tolerance approach to combating infections has kept infections and deaths relatively low for most of the pandemic, the rapid spread of the highly infectious omicron variant exposed the challenges of maintaining strict controls. From snap city-wide lockdowns to almost-daily Covid tests, the restrictions have taken a heavy toll on people’s lives and the economy.

That discontent manifested in mass unrest at the end of last month. People in Beijing, Shanghai and elsewhere started to reject demands for quarantines or lockdowns of their housing estates, and between Nov. 25 and Dec. 5, at least 70 mass protests occurred across 30 cities, according to data compiled by think-tank Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

Authorities have moved to quell public anger by relaxing some Covid requirements around testing and quarantine — although the sudden and confusing changes to the rules over the past few weeks have injected more uncertainty about the economy’s outlook.

China’s cities have been hit hard by Covid restrictions, with mobility across the country’s 15 largest cities plummeting in recent months, according to congestion data released by Baidu Inc.

Major hubs are showing strain, including the capital Beijing, as well as Chongqing and Guangzhou. Trips there have plunged in recent months below levels in previous years, according to subway data compiled by Bloomberg.

Few have borne the brunt of China’s Covid Zero policy more than the financial hub of Shanghai, a major epicenter for recent protests. After a two-month lockdown this year to tackle a major outbreak, China’s richest city is still struggling to get back up off its knees.

Malls have seen a surge in vacancies, consumer spending has plunged, and spending in areas like food and beverages has been depressed, mirroring the national trend.

Covid restrictions have battered the economy, with consumers pulling back on spending and business output plunging. Retail sales unexpectedly contracted 0.5% in October from a year earlier, with economists surveyed by Bloomberg predicting an even worse outcome of a decline of 3.9% in November.

The government is expected to miss its economic growth target of around 5.5% by a significant margin this year. The consensus among economists is for growth of just 3.2%, which would be the weakest pace since the 1970s barring the pandemic slump in 2020.

With onerous testing rules, flare ups in holiday spots, and official advice discouraging travel, holidaymakers have stayed home, adding a further drag on retail spending. Tourism revenue declined 26% to 287 billion yuan ($40.3 billion) over the week-long National Day holiday in October compared to the same period last year. Flight travel also dropped to its lowest levels since at least 2018.

That’s all combined to drive growing economic malaise among the country’s youth, with the unemployment rate among 16-24 year-olds soaring to a record high of about 20% earlier this year. Joblessness among young people is more than triple the national rate, with many graduates struggling to find work in the downturn, especially in the technology and property-related industries.

Unemployment will likely get worse next year, when a new crop of 11.6 million university and college students are expected to graduate, adding to pressure in the labor market.

So far during the pandemic, the industrial sector has held up better than consumer spending since factories were protected from Covid outbreaks and global demand for Chinese-made goods was strong. That’s changing now.

Export demand is plummeting as consumers around the world grapple with soaring inflation and rising interest rates.

The disruption at a major assembly plant in Zhengzhou for Apple Inc.’s iPhones and violent protests there last month also show the damage that outbreaks can have on production.


China’s ongoing real estate slump has also been a source of unhappiness for homebuyers.  The property market, which has long been a major driver of the country’s economy, is in its worst downturn in modern history, with sales and prices plummeting. Cash-strapped property developers struggled to finish building homes, prompting mortgage boycotts by thousands of buyers in the summer.

Despite authorities introducing a spate of measures recently to help make borrowing easier and ease tight cash flows for developers, the economy’s downturn and lack of confidence mean the housing market continues to be depressed. The slump is not expected to end soon, with Bloomberg Economics expecting a 25% drop in property investment in the coming decade.

Government finances have come under severe pressure as the economy slumped. Land revenues have plummeted and local governments have had to boost spending on Covid control measures. The broad measure of the fiscal deficit in the first 10 months of the year is nearly triple the amount it was in the same period last year.

Relaxing testing and quarantine rules will help ease pressure on local government finances. However, it remains to be seen how far and fast authorities will go in dismantling Covid Zero if a surge in Covid cases puts strain on the healthcare system, a likely outcome given that a significant portion of the country’s elderly and vulnerable population are still unvaccinated or lacking booster shots. —With reporting by James Mayger and Dexter Low
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When China was having strict zero-covid policy, they said it's BAD!

Now that China has relaxed on Covid policy, they said it's also BAD!
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Hmm thought Bloomberg ish known to report mostly positively and favorable on news related to CCP and AT land one. if even bloomberg also report something negatively it might suggest the situation ish indeed dire for ATs

Beside AT land economy crisis ish not just because of their wuhan virus policies, also because of both their local lich and foreign investment running road. properties bubbles bursting, supply and manufacturing chains moving out, high and fast growing jobless rate for all age group, global inflation etc and last but not least, the winnie the pooh factor.

So keeping the zero wuhan virus policy only make their people life worsen, but relaxing doesn't mean it will solve their economy problem overnight.

Moreover CCP vaccines ish useless yet they too thin skin to use AMDK vaccines for their people, that why people think they might GG if the wuhan virus, especially the more infectious one start to run wild. The rest of the world no scare and now able to live with wuhan virus ish mainly because most already jabbed with the more effective AMDK vaccines liao.

There was a time when the country asked ordinary men to do extraordinary things.

But now, they'll only do it for money.
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(08-12-2022, 03:58 PM)Soulhacker Wrote:  Hmm thought Bloomberg ish known to report mostly positively and favorable on news related to CCP and AT land one. if even bloomberg also report something negatively it might suggest the situation ish indeed dire for ATs

Beside AT land economy crisis ish not just because of their wuhan virus policies, also because of both their local lich and foreign investment running road. properties bubbles bursting, supply and manufacturing chains moving out, high and fast growing jobless rate for all age group, global inflation etc and last but not least, the winnie the pooh factor.

So keeping the zero wuhan virus policy only make their people life worsen, but relaxing doesn't mean it will solve their economy problem overnight.

Moreover CCP vaccines ish useless yet they too thin skin to use AMDK vaccines for their people, that why people think they might GG if the wuhan virus, especially the more infectious one start to run wild. The rest of the world no scare and now able to live with wuhan virus ish mainly because most already jabbed with the more effective AMDK vaccines liao.

Lol. mRNA got effective sinkapore won't have 2 million plus infections.
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(08-12-2022, 03:58 PM)Soulhacker Wrote:  Hmm thought Bloomberg ish known to report mostly positively and favorable on news related to CCP and AT land one. if even bloomberg also report something negatively it might suggest the situation ish indeed dire for ATs

Beside AT land economy crisis ish not just because of their wuhan virus policies, also because of both their local lich and foreign investment running road. properties bubbles bursting, supply and manufacturing chains moving out, high and fast growing jobless rate for all age group, global inflation etc and last but not least, the winnie the pooh factor.

So keeping the zero wuhan virus policy only make their people life worsen, but relaxing doesn't mean it will solve their economy problem overnight.

Moreover CCP vaccines ish useless yet they too thin skin to use AMDK vaccines for their people, that why people think they might GG if the wuhan virus, especially the more infectious one start to run wild. The rest of the world no scare and now able to live with wuhan virus ish mainly because most already jabbed with the more effective AMDK vaccines liao.


Lol

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/no-m...mments?s=r




Here’s the proof. Chinese pharmaceutical companies are also “developing” their own mRNA shot, called ARCoV.

They’re moving fast, too!

How fast.

The Chinese companies finished their preliminary human clinical trial of ARCoV on December 2, 2020. It covered all of 230 people.

Not 2021. 2020. BEFORE Margaret Keenan received her first dose.

14 months have passed since that trial finished.

It is not even clear that those Chinese companies have started human dosing in the larger “Phase 3” clinical trial that would be necessary before China can approve ARCoV. And nobody seems to know when the trial might be done.
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(08-12-2022, 04:02 PM)sogo Wrote:  Lol. mRNA got effective sinkapore won't have 2 million plus infections.

Naoadays simi year liao still looking at infection numbers? Other countries had higher infection rates also remvoed mask already, red dot still kiasee with many continue wearing.

We got 2 millions and no tens of thousands up lorrying itself show that the vaccines are effectives and the virus had now become common cold-like liao so we are already opening up to normal pre-wuhan virus life again. Many sinkies already planned their holiday trip liao.

There was a time when the country asked ordinary men to do extraordinary things.

But now, they'll only do it for money.
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(08-12-2022, 04:02 PM)sogo Wrote:  Lol. mRNA got effective sinkapore won't have 2 million plus infections.

Don't understand why some keep insisting mRNA is "more" effective given the real world results isn't what the makers claimed in their lab trials... Rolleyes
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(08-12-2022, 04:09 PM)Soulhacker Wrote:  Naoadays simi year liao still looking at infection numbers? Other countries had higher infection rates also remvoed mask already, red dot still kiasee with many continue wearing. We got 2 millions and no tens of thousands up lorrying itself show that the vaccines are effectives and the virus had now become common cold-like liao so we are already opening up to normal pre-wuhan virus life again. Many sinkies already planned their holiday trip liao.

Above is a typical defensive comment went data shows mRNA vaccines not going to save you from illness nor death from COVID Rolleyes
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(08-12-2022, 04:17 PM)Manthink Wrote:  Don't understand why some keep insisting mRNA is "more" effective given the real world results isn't what the makers claimed in their lab trials... Rolleyes

Commercial interest lah!

Publicity for Angmoh vaccines!
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(08-12-2022, 03:58 PM)Soulhacker Wrote:  Hmm thought Bloomberg ish known to report mostly positively and favorable on news related to CCP and AT land one. if even bloomberg also report something negatively it might suggest the situation ish indeed dire for AT

Again, another clueless story from you...

Bloomberg a US-based finance-focus publishing. (aka another spin-doctor house). For e.g - Its editor for some reason put out a report  alleging "Chinese tiny hack chip" in Apple and many computers 4 years ago. That claim Bloomberg failed to provide evidence...It became a joke in the tech industry. 

Bloomberg is "positively and favorable" to anything China ? Please don't kid yourself
Big Grin

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/...-companies
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https://youtu.be/7Ku25w3Apo4
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(08-12-2022, 03:24 PM)cityhantam Wrote:  When China was having strict zero-covid policy, they said it's BAD!

Now that China has relaxed on Covid policy, they said it's also BAD!

What's new ? Any well informed objective person can see through AMTK media is hopelessly blinded by their own bias.

LKY don't take that lightly against those insults....This is how he dealt with Western media..like the BBC

https://youtu.be/GhvHLpSD1nE
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(08-12-2022, 03:24 PM)cityhantam Wrote:  When China was having strict zero-covid policy, they said it's BAD!

Now that China has relaxed on Covid policy, they said it's also BAD!

Simple. Zero-covid is just one of the issues that XJP has screwed up lah ! now millions chinese people suffering decline instead of progress
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(08-12-2022, 03:18 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  ByBloomberg News

December 8, 2022 at 12:36 PM GMT+8

Three years after the first case of Covid-19 was reported in Wuhan, Chinese policymakers must now grapple with how to live with the virus while keeping the economy growing fast enough to stave off public anger.

One thing I don't agree with this sort of article which is aplenty in the western mainstream media is it suggests everything bad that is happening to China's economy now is all due to the zero COVID policy.

The big context is the entire global economy is plateauing and tuning down to a recession / stagflation, or at the very least we can all agree the good old days from pre-COVID won't be around for the next few years.

China as a global manufacturing hub and critical part of the global economy cannot avoid taking damage in such lethargic macro circumstances as well. While zero COVID has certainly not helped, it's dishonest to just frame the whole discussion as if all of its economic woes are the result of its COVID policies.

This is similar to the recently announced decline in export numbers whereby everything is blamed on zero COVID. The reality is if the key destination markets like US and Europe are struggling economically, it is simply not possible to expect trade numbers to flourish as if it's business as usual. This is evidenced by the fact that major exporters such as Japan, Korea and Taiwan are doing just as bad, if not worse.
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Should talk about USA beggars 100x more than China now.
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(08-12-2022, 04:09 PM)Soulhacker Wrote:  Naoadays simi year liao still looking at infection numbers? Other countries had higher infection rates also remvoed mask already, red dot still kiasee with many continue wearing.

We got 2 millions and no tens of thousands up lorrying itself show that the vaccines are effectives and the virus had now become common cold-like liao so we are already opening up to normal pre-wuhan virus life again. Many sinkies already planned their holiday trip liao.

China has mRNA before Pfizer did but they refused to use them. Lol
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