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(26-07-2024, 09:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Your Allah already make it clear for you...but you do not listen.. 
Tell me below where it says you need to bring along Muhammad? 

If you need to pray for Muhammad then let it be a separate one ....this is the only respect that you can show to your God...Haiya!

Indeed it is Me, Allah - there is no God except I - therefore worship Me and keep the prayer established for My remembrance." "I am GOD; there is no other god beside Me. You shall worship Me alone, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) to remember Me.

We don’t worship to prophet Muhammad.
Have you seen how Muslim pray?is it the same way you pray to Jesus?

(26-07-2024, 06:20 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Read the Bible lah! Big Grin Genesis 1-4 lah!
Quran has more details and no
Confusions .

(26-07-2024, 10:52 PM)Hope Wrote:  We don’t worship to prophet Muhammad.
Have you seen how Muslim pray?is it the same way you pray to Jesus?

Yes you worship Allah and his messenger is Muhammad...

Why don you be more complete in your prayers...I suggest you worship Allah and his messenger is Muhammad his father is Abd Allah bin Al-Muttalib his mother is Amina bint Wahb...then you can continue with the names of his 13 wives and children...

This will be a fabulous prayer..Don you think so?

(26-07-2024, 05:28 PM)Oyk Wrote:  You want us to become Muslims. Let me give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean well because you don't want us to be burned in hell forever.

How to become a Muslim? Very simpurr. Say the Shahada. 

You also told us not to believe blindly but to seek knowledge 

When I read the Shahada, there are two persons mentioned: Allah and Muhammad.

Won't it be reasonable for us to seek knowledge about Allah and Muhammad first before reciting the Shahada?

Then, I got very troubled when I read what's written in the Hadiths about Muhammad. When we ask questions, you will say we insult your prophet. If we don't ask, we have doubts and reciting the Shahada is hollow. It won't come from the heart. We would become at best fake Muslims. 

I would really like to have an intellectual discourse on the Hadiths with you. Are you willing to help me along?
Even If Ali gives convincing answers to you ,ionly Allah can make you a Muslim.



Quran 28:56”You surely cannot guide whoever you like ˹O Prophet˺, but it is Allah Who guides whoever He wills, and He knows best who are ˹fit to be˺guided.”

Quran 6:125”So whoever Allāh wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islām; and whoever He wants to send astray1 - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allāh place defilement upon those who do not believe.

Quran 10:100”It is not for any soul to believe except by Allah’s leave, and He will bring His wrath upon those who are unmindful.”

(26-07-2024, 02:14 PM)Oyk Wrote:  If I ask you whether Muhammad was a man, would you write exactly the same things?

If so, please prove it to me and I will forward your post to Ayatollah. Rolleyes

If he had claimed to be God or son of God,I will put the same questions to his followers.

(26-07-2024, 02:07 PM)Oyk Wrote:  There are peepur who worship Mary, Sidd, Muhammad, Jigong, Mao Tse Tung.

If you ask me, my answer is going to rub peepur the wrong way because I will tell them not to do that, and only worship God.

The polytheist will say, sure, only worship god and he has a few favourite gods that he had been worshipping.

The atheist will shut you up and say there's no god.

The Buddhist will say that everybody can become a god and he only worships Buddha. He will say he's showing respect nia but I am not convinced.

The monotheist may say he worships only one god and he's Satan.

For me, my God is Jesus.
You mean catholic are polytheists?

(26-07-2024, 11:14 PM)Hope Wrote:  Even If Ali gives convincing answers to you ,ionly Allah can make you a Muslim.



Quran 28:56”You surely cannot guide whoever you like ˹O Prophet˺, but it is Allah Who guides whoever He wills, and He knows best who are ˹fit to be˺guided.”

Quran 6:125”So whoever Allāh wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islām; and whoever He wants to send astray1 - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allāh place defilement upon those who do not believe.

Quran 10:100”It is not for any soul to believe except by Allah’s leave, and He will bring His wrath upon those who are unmindful.”

Ali G is more convincing lah...at least he gets me laughing!
This Ali here is far from convincing!

(26-07-2024, 10:58 PM)Hope Wrote:  Quran has more details and no
Confusions .

Your Quran is so inadequate...

So can God become a human? Have you read?

(23-07-2024, 01:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We obey the highest authority The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit....you obeyed a dead man who is not in heaven nor hell but in a place called Barzahk!  Rotfl

How do you obey father, son and holy sprit?
as You don’t have to follow any commandments, dietary law.

As per Islam,Jesus is waiting at the lowest(seven )level of the heavens,to come back before end of the world ,to die and get ready for resurrection.
Every human including son of Mary ,has to die one day.

(26-07-2024, 10:50 PM)Oyk Wrote:  You are referring to the first post above?

Yes...infact I have mentioned to them quite a number of times..
Abdul was even shocked to learn that Jibril took on human form as well!

What the Muslims should do is to be grateful to us for enriching their knowledge..
But what did they do? They brush aside the truth and call us liars...so nasty of them Big Grin

(26-07-2024, 11:27 PM)Hope Wrote:  How do you obey father, son and holy sprit?
as You don’t have to follow any commandments, dietary law.

As per Islam,Jesus is waiting at the lowest(seven )level of the heavens,to come back before end of the world ,to die and get ready for resurrection.
Every human including son of Mary ,has to die one day.

Jesus is seated at the right hand of God! We only have 3 levels in heaven hor..

According to the Hindu Puranas, there are fourteen worlds in the universe - the seven upper and the seven lower. The seven upper worlds are Bhuh, Bhavah, Swah, Mahah, Janah. Tapah, and Satyam; and the seven nether worlds are Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Rasatala, Talatala, Mahatala, and Patala.

I think Islam stem out from Hinduism ...they have 7 heavens as well., Big Grin

(26-07-2024, 11:27 PM)Hope Wrote:  How do you obey father, son and holy sprit?
as You don’t have to follow any commandments, dietary law.

As per Islam,Jesus is waiting at the lowest(seven )level of the heavens,to come back before end of the world ,to die and get ready for resurrection.
Every human including son of Mary ,has to die one day.

Why do you always address Jesus, son of Mary in a statement...there is no need to emphasize it....why i don see you address Muhammad son of Abd Allah bin Al-Muttalib and Amina bint Wahb in a statement...pls show some respect to his parents as well.. Big Grin

(26-07-2024, 11:25 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Your Quran is so inadequate...

So can God become a human? Have you read?
What do you mean by inadequate?Quran has literature, law, finance, science and etc.Which topics do you want to discuss?


Quran 21:30”Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?”

Quran 23:12-14”And indeed, We created humankind1 from an extract of clay,

then placed each ˹human˺ as a sperm-drop1 in a secure place,

then We developed the drop into a clinging clot, then developed the clot into a lump ˹of flesh˺, then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, then We brought it into being as a new creation.1 So Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.


Quran 57:25”Indeed, We sent Our messengers with clear proofs, and with them We sent down the Scripture and the balance ˹of justice˺ so that people may administer justice. And We sent down iron with its great might, benefits for humanity, and means for Allah to prove who ˹is willing to˺ stand up for Him and His messengers without seeing Him. Surely Allah is All-Powerful, Almighty”

Quran 21:33”And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit.”

(26-07-2024, 11:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Why do you always address Jesus, son of Mary in a statement...there is no need to emphasize it....why i don see you address Muhammad son of Abd Allah bin Al-Muttalib and Amina bint Wahb in a statement...pls show some respect to his parents as well.. Big Grin

Allah rejects  that he had offspring.Quran address Jesus as the son of Mary.
Allah will answer your question on the day of Judgement.

He is a RasoolAllah,RuhAllah, Masih.

He didn’t have parents. He had only a mother.
Muslim respect Mary more than Christian

(27-07-2024, 12:00 AM)Hope Wrote:  What do you mean by inadequate?Quran has literature, law, finance, science and etc.Which topics do you want to discuss?


Quran 21:30”Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?”

Quran 23:12-14”And indeed, We created humankind1 from an extract of clay,

then placed each ˹human˺ as a sperm-drop1 in a secure place,

then We developed the drop into a clinging clot, then developed the clot into a lump ˹of flesh˺, then developed the lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, then We brought it into being as a new creation.1 So Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.


Quran 57:25”Indeed, We sent Our messengers with clear proofs, and with them We sent down the Scripture and the balance ˹of justice˺ so that people may administer justice. And We sent down iron with its great might, benefits for humanity, and means for Allah to prove who ˹is willing to˺ stand up for Him and His messengers without seeing Him. Surely Allah is All-Powerful, Almighty”

Quran 21:33”And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit.”

Morals and goodness is what your Quran lacks!

It is clear that Islam has serious issues with its texts. Historically, Muslim scholars have known this:

“...[critics say] that the Koran often copied Biblical stories, and sometimes did so inaccurately [...]. Against the charge that Muhammad had copied from previous scriptures Muslims developed the doctrine of Muhammad's illiteracy, which implied his complete inability to read the scriptures. The doctrine was based on the application to Muhammad in the Koran of the adjective ummì. which was alleged to mean 'illiterate'. The word occurs a number of times in the Koran in both singular and plural, and appears to have been taken from the Jews and to mean 'Non-Jewish' or 'Gentile' or 'unscriptured'.”

"Islamic Fundamentalism and Modernity" by Montgomery Watt (1989)8

(26-07-2024, 11:37 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Jesus is seated at the right hand of God! We only have 3 levels in heaven hor..

According to the Hindu Puranas, there are fourteen worlds in the universe - the seven upper and the seven lower. The seven upper worlds are Bhuh, Bhavah, Swah, Mahah, Janah. Tapah, and Satyam; and the seven nether worlds are Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Rasatala, Talatala, Mahatala, and Patala.

I think Islam stem out from Hinduism ...they have 7 heavens as well., Big Grin

In Hinduism Krishana is a son of God same as Christian clams that Jesus is son of God.

(27-07-2024, 12:15 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Morals and goodness is what your Quran lacks!

It is clear that Islam has serious issues with its texts. Historically, Muslim scholars have known this:

“...[critics say] that the Koran often copied Biblical stories, and sometimes did so inaccurately [...]. Against the charge that Muhammad had copied from previous scriptures Muslims developed the doctrine of Muhammad's illiteracy, which implied his complete inability to read the scriptures. The doctrine was based on the application to Muhammad in the Koran of the adjective ummì. which was alleged to mean 'illiterate'. The word occurs a number of times in the Koran in both singular and plural, and appears to have been taken from the Jews and to mean 'Non-Jewish' or 'Gentile' or 'unscriptured'.”

"Islamic Fundamentalism and Modernity" by Montgomery Watt (1989)8
Islam teaches moral and goodness.Can you show Bible verses regarding clothing?
Can you show Bible verse regarding respecting parents?

(27-07-2024, 12:18 AM)Hope Wrote:  In Hinduism Krishana is a son of God same as Christian clams that Jesus is son of God.

Yes you are right...you are smarter than your associate!
Krishna is a human incarnation of a Triune God according to Hinduism..and it shares many similarities with Our Lord and Savior...both were tempted by demons; both worked miracles...

The teachings are similar...both preach peace and love

(27-07-2024, 12:20 AM)Hope Wrote:  Islam teaches moral and goodness.Can you show Bible verses regarding clothing?
Can you show Bible verse regarding respecting parents?

Ephesians 6:1-2” tells kids to listen to their moms and dads, because this is the right thing to do. “Honor your father and mother” is a big rule from God.

Deuteronomy 5:16. "Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with

Exodus 20:12 tells us to honor our mother and father. This is big — it's actually the first command with a promise attached to it. If we listen and show ...

Colossians 3:20. "Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord."

(27-07-2024, 12:20 AM)Hopefully Wrote:  Islam teaches moral and goodness.Can you show Bible verses regarding clothing?
Can you show Bible verse regarding respecting parents?

From a Hindu perspective,

11. Krishna is Allah

“Of letters I am the letter A” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.33)

Of the alphabet letters, Lord Krishna is ‘A’. The Islamic name of God starts with ‘A’, this signifies Lord Krishna.

The reason why Muslim men wear turbans is not due to the weather, but due to Lord Krishna, who wears turbans of various colors and decorations. The Muslims have forgetten thier Vedic origins, but still follow many Vedic customs in complete ignorance. The reason why Kings wear turbans/crowns is due to the Supreme King, Lord Krishna, who wears turbans/crowns.

12. Krishna is the Name and Person God

Based on the Koran, Hadith, and learned Muslim scholars. Allah is a person with a human like form with 2 hands, 2 legs and so on. However no Muslim can describe Him. In the billions of years that the universe has existed, so far only one real person has stepped forward and declared Himself and proved that He is the one and only God, that person is Lord Krishna.

Allah is just a name in a book, the Koran, which was delivered in a cave over a period of 23 years. Krishna is also a name in a book but He has actually been seen by millions, He has appeared more than 18,000 times in His original form and millions of times in His other forms, and each time proved He was the one and only God. The Bhagavad-Gita with 700 verses was spoken by Lord Krishna in 45 minutes in front of thousands of men. He also spoke the Uddhava Gita with 937 verses within two hours, and He performed many transcendental pastimes in the 125 years that He appeared, 5000 years ago. He also appeared again just 500 years ago in the form of Lord Caitanya. He once again proved He was the only God.

Why should God hide in a cave and deliver His message. Why should God take years to deliver His message? Why should God appear only once and that also billions of years after creation? Why should God deliver His message to only one person?

Based on the deeds (actions taken) and desires by humans in this life and previous life times. People develop a particular mentality which enables them to know God in different ways. For some, God will be known as a name in a book, and for some God will be known as a real person with historical facts known about Him dating back to billions of years.

“That is Allah, your Lord; there is no deity except Him, the creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is the Disposer of all things.” (Koran 6:102)

The above statement makes no sense, because Allah is just a name in the book and not a real proven person. The only person who has actually appeared and proved that He is God is Lord Krishna. The seen and proven God, who has appeared not just once in a book, but He has appeared millions of times in person and each time, He proved Himself as the only God.

It is common in every Kali Yuga, the age of ignorance and irreligion, for people to be very easily fooled.

If someone declares himself as the greatest swimmer, then that person must appear and swim with other competitors and prove it. If someone states that a character in a book is the greatest swimmer, only the most foolish and least intelligent people would gave that character in a book the title of greatest swimmer.

If someone declares himself as the fastest runner, then he must appear and compete with other runners and prove it. Only the most foolish and least intelligent class of people would give a character in a book the title of the fastest runner with ZERO evidence.

“Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.” (Lord Krishna,Bhagavad-Gita 9.22-23)

“Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 18.66)

The Koran was spoken just once, 1400 years ago on this planet only and thus not eternal nor universal.

The Bhagavad-Gita was last spoken 5000 years by Lord Krishna to Arjuna, and before that it was spoken by Lord Krishna to Vivasvan, the person who maintains the sun planet, some 120 million 533 thousand years ago. Before that it was spoken by Lord Krishna when He appeared in the previous daytime of Brahma. In this way, Lord Krishna has spoken the Bhagavad-Gita at least 18,000 times right here on this planet and it has also been spoken millions of times in other universes. Thus the Bhagavad-Gita is eternal and universal.

Lord Krishna has been known for billions of years by zillions of humans on this and millions of other universes. Thus Lord Krishna is eternal and universal.The word ‘Allah’ and the Koran NEVER existed before 1400 years ago. This word cannot be found in the original Christian and Jewish scriptures which existed before 1400 years ago. And this word cannot be found in the Vedic scriptures, which are accepted by historians as the oldest scriptures on the planet. There are more than 810,000 verses in the Vedic scriptures written more than 5000 years ago, and only 6236 verses in the Koran, written less than 1400 years ago. This very clearly shows that the Vedic knowledge is the words of God and not man made. Anyone can create a book with a few thousand verses by copying from the Vedic scriptures and modifying. Only God could have created scriptures with more than 810,000 verses, 5000 years ago.

Allah is a concept of God and Krishna is the real person God. Lord Krishna is very eager to take all the souls back to the spiritual creation where everyone lives in the same body that is completely beautiful, full of bliss, full of knowledge, eternal, with no trace of misery. The Muslims are also welcome and can very quickly become qualified to go to the abode of God (Lord Krishna).

“That is the way of the spiritual and godly life, after attaining which a man is not bewildered. If one is thus situated even at the hour of death, one can enter into the kingdom of God.” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 2.72)

Lord Krishna is so merciful that even if one surrenders unto him in the last hour before death, one will enter into the kingdom of God. The Koran is full of statements stating Allah is very merciful and Lord Krishna proves it, because Lord Krishna is the one true God.

(26-07-2024, 11:07 AM)Goldmine Wrote:  Are you not being insensitive.  If such words were uttered against against one your revered prophets what will happen? What decree will come from the Ayatollah?  Be wary of what comes out of your mouth.

(26-07-2024, 11:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes...infact I have mentioned to them quite a number of times..
Abdul was even shocked to learn that Jibril took on human form as well!

What the Muslims should do is to be grateful to us for enriching their knowledge..
But what did they do? They brush aside the truth and call us liars...so nasty of them Big Grin

How can they do all these? Very bad upbringing!

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(26-07-2024, 05:28 PM)Oyk Wrote:  You want us to become Muslims. Let me give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean well because you don't want us to be burned in hell forever.

How to become a Muslim? Very simpurr. Say the Shahada. 

You also told us not to believe blindly but to seek knowledge 

When I read the Shahada, there are two persons mentioned: Allah and Muhammad.

Won't it be reasonable for us to seek knowledge about Allah and Muhammad first before reciting the Shahada?

Then, I got very troubled when I read what's written in the Hadiths about Muhammad. When we ask questions, you will say we insult your prophet. If we don't ask, we have doubts and reciting the Shahada is hollow. It won't come from the heart. We would become at best fake Muslims. 

I would really like to have an intellectual discourse on the Hadiths with you. Are you willing to help me along?

You don't need me to help you along if you are sincere in seeking knowledge about Allah and his messenger صلي الله عليه وسلم.

So far, you seek that knowledge from Jay Smith, CP, and other known similar liars. Why don't you also go to many mainstream ustaz available on youtube?

Go to youtube and search for:
Ali Ataie
Shabir Ally
Yasir Qadhi

(27-07-2024, 12:30 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes you are right...you are smarter than your associate!
Krishna is a human incarnation of a Triune God according to Hinduism..and it shares many similarities with Our Lord and Savior...both were tempted by demons; both worked miracles...

The teachings are similar...both preach peace and love

Jesus, Son of Mary( Isa Ibn Maryam), Sprit of Allah(RuhAllah), Prophet (RasoolAllah), Messenger for Israelites (Nabi) Messiah (Masih) did not make miracles his own.



Quran 9:30”The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?”

Quran 9:31”They have taken their rabbis and their monks as gods beside Allah, and also (they have taken) MasīH the son of Maryam (as god). And they were not commanded but to worship only One God. There is no god but He. Pure is He from what they associate with Him.

Quran 4:171”O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allāh except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allāh and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allāh is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allāh as Disposer of affairs.”

Quran 2:87”And We did certainly give Moses the Scripture [i.e., the Torah] and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel]. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed.”


Quran 2:253”We have chosen some of those messengers above others.1 Allah spoke directly to some, and raised some high in rank. To Jesus, son of Mary, We gave clear proofs and supported him with the holy spirit.2 If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought ˹among themselves˺ after receiving the clear proofs. But they differed—some believed while others disbelieved. Yet if Allah had willed, they would not have fought one another. But Allah does what He wills.”


Quran 3:55”Mention] when Allāh said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify [i.e., free] you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allāh alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.”


Quran 3:59”Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!”

Quran 4:157”and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.”


Quran 5:17”Indeed, those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have fallen into disbelief. Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Who has the power to prevent Allah if He chose to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, his mother, and everyone in the world all together?” To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything in between. He creates whatever He wills. And Allah is Most Capable of everything.”

Quran 5:75”The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food.1 See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!”

Quran 5:110”And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour upon you and your mother: how I supported you with the holy spirit1 so you spoke to people in ˹your˺ infancy and adulthood. How I taught you writing, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. How you moulded a bird from clay—by My Will—and breathed into it and it became a ˹real˺ bird—by My Will. How you healed the blind and the lepers—by My Will. How you brought the dead to life—by My Will. How I prevented the Children of Israel from harming you when you came to them with clear proofs and the disbelievers among them said, “This is nothing but pure magic.”


Quran 5:112”Remember˺ when the disciples asked, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Would your Lord be willing to send down to us a table spread with food from heaven?” Jesus answered, “Fear Allah if you are ˹truly˺ believers.”

Quran 5:114”Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "O Allāh, our Lord, send down to us a table [spread with food] from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers."


Quran 5:116”And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.”

Quran 57:27”Then We sent following their footsteps [i.e., traditions] Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allāh. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.”

End coming 
So hardworking the 2 make way for anti Christ to sit on the throne

No weapons that forms against me shall prosper
No tongue that rises against me I shall condemn 
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These are some of the verses Quran mentions about Jesus,son of Mary,Sprit of Allah,Messenger, Prophet, Messiah 


Quran 9:30”The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?”

Quran 9:31”They have taken their rabbis and their monks as gods beside Allah, and also (they have taken) MasīH the son of Maryam (as god). And they were not commanded but to worship only One God. There is no god but He. Pure is He from what they associate with Him.

Quran 4:171”O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allāh except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allāh and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allāh is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allāh as Disposer of affairs.”

Quran 2:87”And We did certainly give Moses the Scripture [i.e., the Torah] and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel]. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed.”


Quran 2:253”We have chosen some of those messengers above others.1 Allah spoke directly to some, and raised some high in rank. To Jesus, son of Mary, We gave clear proofs and supported him with the holy spirit.2 If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought ˹among themselves˺ after receiving the clear proofs. But they differed—some believed while others disbelieved. Yet if Allah had willed, they would not have fought one another. But Allah does what He wills.”


Quran 3:55”Mention] when Allāh said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify [i.e., free] you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allāh alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.”


Quran 3:59”Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!”

Quran 4:157”and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.”


Quran 5:17”Indeed, those who say, “Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,” have fallen into disbelief. Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Who has the power to prevent Allah if He chose to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, his mother, and everyone in the world all together?” To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything in between. He creates whatever He wills. And Allah is Most Capable of everything.”

Quran 5:75”The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food.1 See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!”

Quran 5:110”And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour upon you and your mother: how I supported you with the holy spirit1 so you spoke to people in ˹your˺ infancy and adulthood. How I taught you writing, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. How you moulded a bird from clay—by My Will—and breathed into it and it became a ˹real˺ bird—by My Will. How you healed the blind and the lepers—by My Will. How you brought the dead to life—by My Will. How I prevented the Children of Israel from harming you when you came to them with clear proofs and the disbelievers among them said, “This is nothing but pure magic.”


Quran 5:112”Remember˺ when the disciples asked, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Would your Lord be willing to send down to us a table spread with food from heaven?” Jesus answered, “Fear Allah if you are ˹truly˺ believers.”

Quran 5:114”Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "O Allāh, our Lord, send down to us a table [spread with food] from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers."


Quran 5:116”And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.”

Quran 57:27”Then We sent following their footsteps [i.e., traditions] Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allāh. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.”

(27-07-2024, 09:00 AM)FangFang Wrote:  It is what it is... believe in yourself also

God created you. You should depend on him for everything.
God has controll over everyone and everything.
Our strength is limited.

(27-07-2024, 12:07 AM)Hope Wrote:  Allah rejects  that he had offspring.Quran address Jesus as the son of Mary.
Allah will answer your question on the day of Judgement.

He is a RasoolAllah,RuhAllah, Masih.

He didn’t have parents. He had only a mother.
Muslim respect Mary more than Christian

Why don you respect the parents of Muhammad son of Abd Allah bin Al-Muttalib and Amina bint Wahb?

Why are the names of his parents not mentioned together with Muhammad?

(27-07-2024, 08:33 AM)Oyk Wrote:  How can they do all these? Very bad upbringing!

Pot calling the kettle black 🙄

(27-07-2024, 09:18 AM)Hope Wrote:  Pot calling the kettle black 🙄

Sounds like aunty gemstar

No weapons that forms against me shall prosper
No tongue that rises against me I shall condemn 
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