DW : Did Jesus exist? All scientific evidence to date
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I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
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Real or not is one thing. But there are so many problems, disasters, wars, .... ofc aso many stories and reasons provided
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And Jesus was also made in China.

https://youtu.be/A463qHMglLo?si=XSxkcHZ4N6T5MxYD
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Jesus is 居士,likely was 曹国舅
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(07-04-2024, 07:49 AM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote:  Real or not is one thing. But there are so many problems, disasters, wars, .... ofc aso many stories and reasons provided

With or without religion ...before and after Christianity....mankind is fraught with wars...

The last 80yrs it seems to be of relative peace compared with other periods.

I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
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Darth Vader is more real lah.............
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(07-04-2024, 08:31 AM)sgbuffett Wrote:  With or without religion ...before and after Christianity....mankind is fraught with wars...

The last 80yrs it seems to be of relative peace compared with other periods.

Things are about to change now coming out from your mouth! You reverse indicator!
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(07-04-2024, 09:24 AM)You christian Napoleon Porlumpar Wrote:  Darth Vader is more real lah.............

you christian ah? With a name like Borlumpar I thought you pray to Tua Pek Gong type.      Big Grin

 Thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge
                    Carl Jung
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No weapons that forms against me shall prosper
No tongue that rises against me I shall condemn 
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(07-04-2024, 10:32 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  

When I study the human body, how each cell works, how tissues work, how organs work in harmony with one another, how diseases attack the body, the cells, how some organs are not functioning as they should, since birth, or at a future point in peepur's lives, I cannot but reject the suggestion that we evolved to become like this over eons.

We were created perfect but when Sin entered the world, all of Creation went upside down.  Lions didn't eat other creatures, including man.  God did not create animals and tell Adam to go and cook them for food.  Adam and his wife were fruitarians.

Some peepur think that God made some engineering design faults which is why our bodies have imperfections.  They do not realize that it became imperfect due to Sin.  We would even die because of it.  It's all recorded in the Bible, in the Book of Genesis.

The laws of mathematics is not a result of evolution.  Those who studied mathematics, IT, engineering, and physics would appreciate this very well, that all things found on this Earth work according to a well-established logic.  There's mathematics at the most fundamental level.  The more you study it, the more you know there must be a Higher Power.

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(07-04-2024, 08:31 AM)sgbuffett Wrote:  With or without religion ...before and after Christianity....mankind is fraught with wars...

The last 80yrs it seems to be of relative peace compared with other periods.

There had also been peace in all periods of history.  The last 80 years are not an exception.  Compared with other periods, 80 years are relatively short.  

In fact, the last 80 years were not peaceful everywhere.  Maybe you were too young to read about the Iran-Iraq war.  Maybe you spent a lot of time gambling on stocks and did not read about the Vietnam War, during which the late LKY was prepared to send his oldest son, LHL, who was then serving in the army, to go to war if necessary, to fight the spread of communism.  Perhaps you didn't read about the Six Day War...

So your last sentence is not quite accurate.

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American white old grandma accepted Islam after knowing about her beliefs 
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(07-04-2024, 10:50 AM)Oyk Wrote:  When I study the human body, how each cell works, how tissues work, how organs work in harmony with one another, how diseases attack the body, the cells, how some organs are not functioning as they should, since birth, or at a future point in peepur's lives, I cannot but reject the suggestion that we evolved to become like this over eons.

We were created perfect but when Sin entered the world, all of Creation went upside down.  Lions did eat other creatures, including man.  God did not create animals and tell Adam to go and cook them for food.  Adam and his wife were fruitarians.

Some peepur think that God made some engineering design faults which is why our bodies have imperfections.  They do not realize that it became imperfect due to Sin.  We would even die because of it.  It's all recorded in the Bible, in the Book of Genesis.

The laws of mathematics is not a result of evolution.  Those who studied mathematics, IT, engineering, and physics would appreciate this very well, that all things found on this Earth work according to a well-established logic.  There's mathematics at the most fundamental level.  The more you study it, the more you know there must be a Higher Power.

Even if there is a higher power, I like higher intelligence, it does not prove that Jesus is the higher power.

Anyway, the design argument is a faulty one cos it assumed it was a creator who designed it. That's an assumption, not fact.

It all boils down to belief. Either you believe or you don't.

Argue all you want, there will counter argument against you.

Truth is that no one knows. It is all blind faith or not. Period.
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They're said to be so powerful, can fly around, even split the sea apart, ... But never render any help when badly needed.
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(07-04-2024, 02:40 PM)RichDad Wrote:  Even if there is a higher power, I like higher intelligence,  it does not prove that Jesus is the higher power.

Anyway, the design argument is a faulty one cos it assumed it was a creator who designed it. That's an assumption, not fact.

It all boils down to belief. Either you believe or you don't.

Argue all you want, there will counter argument against you.

Truth is that no one knows. It is all blind faith or not. Period.

Hang on. Not so fast. Don't come in and yelp and then say Period and run away.

You can't prove evolution either because you didn't live through eons to take videos of how a single cell evolved to become you.

And following that assumption that there was a single cell, where did it come from? Some Big Bang and a dark hole? Or from Darwin's mouth?

It will not make sense for you to read the Bible without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You might have read it for even decades without understanding it because it'll sound like grandma stories told to Jewish kids in some places and at best, historical records in places where there were no miracles in the "story".

Therefore it will be futile for me to argue with you if you lack faith. Period.  Winkblink

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No weapons that forms against me shall prosper
No tongue that rises against me I shall condemn 
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(07-04-2024, 03:10 PM)Oyk Wrote:  Hang on. Not so fast. Don't come in and yelp and then say Period and run away.

You can't prove evolution either because you didn't live through eons to take videos of how a single cell evolved to become you.

And following that assumption that there was a single cell, where did it come from? Some Big Bang and a dark hole? Or from Darwin's mouth?

It will not make sense for you to read the Bible without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You might have read it for even decades without understanding it because it'll sound like grandma stories told to Jewish kids in some places and at best, historical records in places where there were no miracles in the "story".

Therefore it will be futile for me to argue with you if you lack faith. Period.  Winkblink

Ok, no period.

I never said I can prove anything.

Just saying either you believe or you don't believe. No need to talk about design, mathematics, higher intelligence, almost Newtonian, regression etc, etc, because we are just guessing.

Confirmation bias is common with believers & non believers alike but the truth is, nothing can be confirmed now or ever.

I say the same to Ali the Muslim guy.

No point arguing who is right or wrong, it will never end.

Peace to all.
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you all dont anyOhow....

it was scientifically proven yeshua of real homo sapiens

yosef and myriam didnt yamete yamete....

but out came yeshua from madonna who was still a virgin thereafter
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(07-04-2024, 09:52 PM)RichDad Wrote:  Ok, no period.

I never said I can prove anything.

Just saying either you believe or you don't believe. No need to talk about design, mathematics, higher intelligence, almost Newtonian, regression etc, etc, because we are just guessing.

Confirmation bias is common with believers & non believers alike but the truth is, nothing can be confirmed now or ever.

I say the same to Ali the Muslim guy.

No point arguing who is right or wrong, it will never end.

Peace to all.

You want peace but some loser doesn't. Best to ignore that retard as all he wants is your replying to him  Laughing

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What Muslim Believe about Jesus 


1)Great Prophet, The Messiah 

2)A person is not a Muslim if he doesn’t accept Jesus as great prophet and The Messiah 

3)Born Miraculously to Virgin Mary.She is the only one woman mentioned by name in Quran.As per Quran She was a best righteous woman walked on this earth 

4)As per Quran Jesus was born under a date palm tree while Bible say in a cow stable.Quran give respect to the place of birth.

5)Muslim believe  the miracles of Jesus which he did with the help of Lord in the heaven (in Arabic Allah)

6)As per Quran first miracle Jesus did was addressing the elders and Rabbis from cradle.which is never mentioned in the bible . Quran also tells us that Jesus made miracles by giving life to statues made from clay.

7)Muslim believe He was not crucified and dead.He was raised to Heaven. Will decend at end time 

8)Jesus will descend to Damascus . From there He will march to Jerusalem to fight the Antichrist at end time which we are living in.

9)Jesus will get marry to a woman from grater Syria.He will live over 30 years 

10)When he dies, will be buried next to  Prophet Muhammad grave in Medina mosque.Grave plot has been reserved for last 1400 years.If you google images of Medina mosque, you may find a green dome which is the reserved place for burial.

11)On his second coming, He will not teach anything new.Instead He will emphasise oneness of the God.

12)On his first coming He came to teach only the Israelites

13)When Jesus name (Isa/Esa in Islam ) is mentioned Muslim greet “Peace be upon you”

14) Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit had sex with Mary, and the Quran tells us that the Angel who visited Mary told her that she will bear a son, and he is ONLY informing her of what God has decreed?

15) The  Cristian word  ‘Jesus’ was never mentioned in the Quran. The prophet was called by his name in the Arabic language  Isa  and  other titles and nicknames about 97times in 93 verses.

16) The Qur’an tells the story of his birth in a Surah named after his mother, Maryam, in chapter 19, and it is the only Surah named after a woman in the Qur’an.

17)Jesus was not born on the 25th Dec
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