Thailand pushes Kra Canal with strong backers.
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(05-09-2021, 03:35 PM)BigBossX Wrote:  https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Thailand...t-economy/

Will the building of this canal affect Singapore's port.?
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Malacca straits has been a short coming for China. This could be a step for SG not too stand too close to USA else become reality.

In future, many Sporn has to work overseas. Many of our advantage has been eroding with our neighbors getting better. Luckily Covid pushes them back Big Grin


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(05-09-2021, 03:39 PM)debono Wrote:  Will the building of this canal affect Singapore's port.?
Yes it will affect. Good things won't last forever therefore  pap buggers must have foresight before it's too late,but I doubt they possess that ability.
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(05-09-2021, 04:13 PM)Great Wrote:  Yes it will affect. Good things won't last forever therefore  pap buggers must have foresight before it's too late,but I doubt they possess that ability.

How sad are we, the citizens here..
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(05-09-2021, 04:00 PM)Niubee Wrote:  Malacca straits has been a short coming for China. This could be a step for SG not too stand too close to USA else become reality.

In future, many Sporn has to work overseas. Many of our advantage has been eroding with our neighbors getting better. Luckily Covid pushes them back Big Grin

Thai is pro US leh?
So which side shd we stand? Thinking

We always claim we are neutral?

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So not a canal but bridge ?...goods first got to download on west side of Kra than use container trucks to move to east side ; than reload back to another ship standby there than transport back to China ports ?
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(05-09-2021, 04:35 PM)RiseofAsia Wrote:  Thai is pro US leh?
So which side shd we stand? Thinking

We always claim we are neutral?


You are free to pro US or whatever white trash, so long you will not be piaked for sucking too hard and licking too mad, and then got hot and wet to play fire.  lol
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Waste of money. The extra handling of loading and unloading on the land bridge will more than offset any time or cost savings from going around Singapore.
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(05-09-2021, 04:35 PM)ysh02 Wrote:  So not a canal but bridge ?...goods first got to download on west side of Kra than use container trucks to move to east side ; than reload back to another ship standby there than transport back to China ports ?

I think they want to build the Kra Canal like the Suez Canal, where the ships going east like China will take less time than going thru' Malacca Straits.  Then they should build a high bridge to allow vehicles to pass over the Kra Canal..
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(05-09-2021, 04:35 PM)RiseofAsia Wrote:  Thai is pro US leh?
So which side shd we stand? Thinking

We always claim we are neutral?

We are neutral but USA war ships are based here..  Thinking


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To establish the pros and cons of this TBB bridge, we need detail calculations before coming to any conclusion. Foresee this mode of cargo movement will involved......

two ships 
triple handling of cargoes
heavy vehicles
two Thai ports (one on East and one on West of bridge)

These are just some I can think off hand at the moment. So what will be the cost like and how much time involved for this short bridge movement of cargoes? How much time and cost is save if any?

Without doubt, this bridge will become a vital passage if Malacca Straits is blocked in time of war, but during peace time it's usefulness is yet to be seen until more issues surface........ Rolleyes

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(05-09-2021, 05:09 PM)Huliwang Wrote:  To establish the pros and cons of this TBB bridge, we need detail calculations before coming to any conclusion. Foresee this mode of cargo movement will involved......

two ships 
triple handling of cargoes
heavy vehicles
two Thai ports (one on East and one on West of bridge)

These are just some I can think off hand at the moment. So what will be the cost like and how much time involved for this short bridge movement of cargoes? How much time and cost is save if any?

Without doubt, this bridge will become a vital passage if Malacca Straits is blocked in time of war, but during peace time it's usefulness is yet to be seen until more issues surface........ Rolleyes

I concur with your findings.
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(05-09-2021, 05:16 PM)debono Wrote:  I concur with your findings.
Thanks for your concurrence..... Big Grin

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(05-09-2021, 03:39 PM)debono Wrote:  Will the building of this canal affect Singapore's port.?

Title is not correct, is a land bridge.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/213...ur-economy
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It is possible to make the shortcut but it will be costly to build and to operate and to use and because it will be narrow so the ships need to Q Q Q?

Economically not cheap and time consuming not all ship owners may want to use it due to political and security reasons?
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(05-09-2021, 05:47 PM)watchfirst9 Wrote:  Title is not correct, is a land bridge.

A land (rail) link (60-70km) will be just half the length of the proposed Kra Canal (> 120km) so construction will not be expensive.
Land acquisition is also minimal as a large part of the route will be tunnelling (red line) through the hills that straddle Ranong and Chumphon.
The construction difficulty will be a walk in the park when compared to the China-Nepal rail link that China intends to build through the Himalayas.

The land bridge should be for containers traffic between Indo-China and the west (South Asia, Middle East, Africa and Europe) with likely transhipment via the Sri Lankan port(s).

Govt floats new plan for land bridge
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/200...and-bridge
Quote:The government is considering the idea of a land bridge project connecting the Andaman Sea and the Gulf of Thailand via Ranong and Chumphon provinces.


[Image: Example-Route-thru-Hills.png]


[Image: Example-Sea-Routes.png]

Nepal-China rail link:
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Heard about this more than 20yrs ago but nothing happens

Suppose this time they really do it.

How dependent are we these days on ports?

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(05-09-2021, 06:16 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  Heard about this more than 20yrs ago but nothing happens

Suppose this time they really do it.

How dependent are we these days on ports?

Now the PM may be ousted out? Still possible?
If so simple, 20 years ago already done it, why wait now?  Thinking

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corruptions, politics. maybe need another 30 years to complete.
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#21

This is mooslims land...any bridge or waterway  crisscrosing kra canal will speed up their fight for an autonomous islamic state..

R the thais not afraid of losing their land ? N how r they going to operate the bridge divider without being constantly attacked by these v conservative extremists , fearing losing their land  n fearing modernisation n exposure to the outside world?
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This Kra bridge will it also affect Malaysia northern province?...because it start build East West coast link high way too!
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(05-09-2021, 07:27 PM)Yin yang Wrote:  This is mooslims land...any bridge or waterway  crisscrosing kra canal will speed up their fight for an autonomous islamic state..

R the thais not afraid of losing their land ? N how r they going to operate the bridge divider without being constantly attacked by these v conservative extremists , fearing losing their land  n fearing modernisation n exposure to the outside world?

Not only that there is also pirate issue, so long water way?
Who patrol, only Thai hor. Unlike Straits of Malacca is different story. (Share the burden.)

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Optimistically, half day for ship to dock and unload container from ship to put on rail. Half day to transfer at the other end. One day of transit plus delay. Overall no time savings. Transport and handling will cost at least $200 per container. No cost savings either.

The idea is dead on arrival. This is not the same as Kra Canal.
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Sometimes if for national service and benefits to country ; money nevermind to sponsor...
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(05-09-2021, 07:32 PM)starbugs Wrote:  Optimistically, half day for ship to dock and unload container from ship to put on rail. Half day to transfer at the other end. One day of transit plus delay. Overall no time savings. Transport and handling will cost at least $200 per container. No cost savings either.

The idea is dead on arrival. This is not the same as Kra Canal.

Looks like a fair estimate on the low side. This is assuming smooth entering port upon arrival without delays. However, I feel operations cannot be so smooth and there is high possibility of port congestion. Overall, it might ended up costing more money and more time.

If it is a canal, ship just sail through and no doubt save voyage time......... Rolleyes

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The land bridge is viable after all. Beside containers from Thailand itself, Cambodia and Vietnam (destined for MiddleEast, Africa or Europe), containers from Southwest China will also see a substantial reduction in the shipping duration when shipped thru this route. Currently there is a rail-sea container link from Chongqing to Singapore via Guangxi.

When the new rail link is up, this SW China to SE Asia route will be further reduced from the current 10 days.
Chongqing to Yunan-Laos Border is about 800km, shorter than the distance from Chongqing to Shanghai port.
Vientiane to NE Thailand will be fast and short via the new 416km Laos HSR link that takes about 3hrs+ from north to south (at 160km/h). Nong Khai to BKK rail link will be 873km. BKK to Ranong Port will be about 500km.
Total distance from Yunan border to Ranong will be 1800km, which is about 1 day if the container rail speed averages 80km/h.

China-Singapore rail-sea transit route expands B&R cooperation
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-09...484701.htm
Quote:China-Singapore rail-sea transit route expands B&R cooperation
Source: Xinhua| 2018-09-21 21:03:22|Editor: Li Xia

CHONGQING, Sept. 21 (Xinhua) -- Zuncheng (Chongqing) Logistics Chain Management Co., which provides international logistics solutions for clients in West China, now offers more price competitive transport.

"Earlier, it took over 30 days for cargo to be shipped downstream on the Yangtze River to Shanghai and then to Southeast Asia," said Yang Ming, president of Zuncheng. "Now it saves about 20 days as goods are first transported to a port in southern Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region by train and then shipped to Singapore by sea."
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Goods from Vietnam start by moving to Chongqing and then take trains bound for Europe. This takes about 19 days, much shorter the over 40 days for shipping by sea.

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This fairytale like 3 or 4 decades ago... They smoke weed and came up with it lah.

Once cut, the southern tip with mostly Malays will go independent or join Malaysia. Lol
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(01-12-2021, 06:34 PM)Sticw Wrote:  This fairytale like 3 or 4 decades ago... They smoke weed and came up with it lah.

Once cut, the southern tip with mostly Malays will go independent or join Malaysia. Lol

It will be a land bridge and not a canal which will be too costly to dig, so no fear of a physical cut in the land.

However there is a "mountain" range between Ranong and its eastern neighbour provinces, so much of this land "bridge" should be rail tunnels.  And for coastal area, it will be elevated rail tracks like the coal transport line in China (video below) that allows trains to haul coal out from a canyon basin onto higher grounds (the 100 to 200m+ hills in Thailand case). There will be minimal land acquisitions with minimal social and environmental impact unlike digging a 400-500m wide canal. There will be minimal Muslims too in this area as it is much further north from Malaysia.

And just realised that the 2023 date given by the vlogger above is for the Laem Chabang Port expansion. The port is in Southeast Thailand near Pattaya.
The land bridge in the south (Ranong) is still under the planning stage.



Transport Ministry says Thai land bridge will become transit port to rival Hong Kong
https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/transpor...-hong-kong
Quote:The Bangkok Post reports that the project will link Chumphon, on the eastern coast of the Gulf of Thailand, to Ranong, on the Andaman Sea. Transport Minister Saksayam Chidchob says the result will be a transit port with a capacity to rival Hong Kong.

The minister says the land bridge will be able to handle around 20 million twenty-foot equivalent units of cargo annually, and will allow maritime traffic to bypass the busy waters around Singapore. The capacity is similar to that of Hong Kong’s port, the 8th busiest in the world, according to Saksayam.
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The land bridge is in addition to the government’s Eastern Economic Corridor project, which PM Prayut Chan-o-cha has previously said will not be enough to fuel the economy. As part of the 20 year strategy, the PM said the government needed to invest in a mega-project. The road and rail land bridge will cover around 100 kilometres from the Andaman Sea to the Gulf of Thailand, linking sea ports on both sides. The government says such projects are key economic drivers for Thailand.

Chittagong-Ranong connectivity could boost SAARC-ASEAN trade if connected to Gwadar and Chabahar
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2021/11...-chabahar/
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(05-09-2021, 07:04 PM)RiseofAsia Wrote:  Now the PM may be ousted out? Still possible?
If so simple, 20 years ago already done it, why wait now?  Thinking

20 years ago, things were very different. China was still backward then.
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