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(07-11-2021, 01:54 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]embedded software is not old skill.

Programming driverless cars or  robotic systems or Boston Dynamics' dog-like robots require embedded software skills.
These are modern and future systems for mankind


It is more difficult than application/system programming.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-harder-to-...evelopment
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-programmi...rogramming
IT is quite big.
Sg has limited people so is important to select a few fields that we can focus on.
Those few fields should limited foreigners to bare minimum.
embedded fpga engineers are always in great demand. it's a difficult job but certainly not old skill sets.
Last time, I had a choice to pick a main developer for a short term project.

I had a choice to pick a 40+,a 30+ and a 20+ developers.
Their skills were equally good.
The 20+ and 30+ developers worked faster than the 40+ developer.
All of them could always complete project on time.

But I picked the 40+ developer even if he was not that fast as the other 2 developers.

Do you know why ?
(07-11-2021, 02:26 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]Last time, I had a choice to pick a main developer for a short term project.

I had a choice to pick a 40+,a 30+ and a 20+ developers.
Their skills are equally good.

I picked the 40+ developer.

Do you know why ?

Because he has the skill set and enough experience as he is 40+....he has both the skill set and experience to lead a team of younger ones to the job.... nudie
(07-11-2021, 02:43 PM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]Because he has the skill set and enough experience as he is 40+....he has both the skill set and experience to lead a team of younger ones to the job.... nudie

No.
He was an external contract developer and his job was to program an application only.
He was not to lead any younger ones.

Guess again.
Why?
Let's get real if a company can import foreign IT programmers who are below 40 why would they hire a 59yo.
(07-11-2021, 02:47 PM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]Let's get real if a company can import foreign IT programmers who are below 40 why would they hire  a 59yo.

because PAP govt will subsidise 50% salary of the 59 yo.
59 yo will be cheaper than foreign IT programmer
(07-11-2021, 02:49 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]because PAP govt will subsidise 50% salary of the 59 yo.
59 yo will be cheaper than foreign IT programmer



IT Software Developer in the market for CECA is around $10k and some $40k per mth!  These are the jobs filled up by CECA in the last 10 years.

Does Govt subsidise 50% of the salary? My friend in Recruitment said this was removed by the Govt a few mths back and left with only the Job Support Scheme.

IRAS | Jobs Support Scheme (JSS)
(07-11-2021, 02:54 PM)Ola Wrote: [ -> ]IT Software Developer in the market for CECA is around $10k and some $40k per mth!  These are the jobs filled up by CECA in the last 10 years.

Does Govt subsidise 50% of the salary? My friend in Recruitment said this was removed by the Govt a few mths back and left with only the Job Support Scheme.

IRAS | Jobs Support Scheme (JSS)

there are govt programs to encourage mid career to join IT.

My friend joined a TESA program in a bank, his salary was subsidised 50% by the govt for 2 years.
(07-11-2021, 02:56 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]there are govt programs to encourage mid career to join IT.

My friend joined a TESA program in a bank, his salary was subsidised 50% by the govt for 2 years.

What happens after the two years....? Thinking
(07-11-2021, 03:09 PM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]What happens after the two years....? Thinking

either become a permanent staff or become jobless again.
(07-11-2021, 03:14 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]either become a permanent staff or become jobless again.

So it is a temporary or contract job....? Thinking
Depends. if cheap and can deliver fast and good work why not? Not like this is a sales job.
(07-11-2021, 01:54 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]embedded software is not old skill.

Programming satellite, avionics system, space crafts, driverless cars or  robotic systems or Boston Dynamics' dog-like robots require embedded software skills.
These are modern and future systems for mankind


It is more difficult than application/system programming.

Yes, it is not old skill but neither is it a more difficult skill. It is seen as more difficult only because it involves knowledge of hardware, and hardware is something that people need to spend money on, but for software engineering, anybody can pick it up without spending much, thus there is a bigger pool of software engineers. With a bigger pool you have a better community support. But no, embedded engineering is not more difficult.
Why 59 still working? Should be perusing his or her hobbies or semi retired … why still need to fight for a job?
Anyway, most companies outsource their coding or programming to Viet con liow, cheap good and fast …. CECE shiteland no longer the place liow.
Programmers and coders can be any location in the world liow
(07-11-2021, 05:38 PM)Tangsen Wrote: [ -> ]Anyway, most companies outsource their coding or programming to Viet con liow, cheap good and fast …. CECE shiteland no longer the place liow.
Programmers and coders can be any location in the world liow

Vietnam indeed got couple of IT firms
https://vietnamsoftware.org/companies/eastgate-software
https://vietnamsoftware.org/mobile-app-development
https://www.bkav.com

Indonesia also 
https://www.smadav.net/?page=about&lang=en

Singapore...
Employ Vietcong meimei the best. She can code and slit your throat with equal ease Big Grin
At 59, you should be buying expensive rugs and precious  antiques Big Grin
(07-11-2021, 06:12 PM)watchfirst9 Wrote: [ -> ]Vietnam indeed got couple of IT firms
https://vietnamsoftware.org/companies/eastgate-software
https://vietnamsoftware.org/mobile-app-development
https://www.bkav.com

Indonesia also 
https://www.smadav.net/?page=about&lang=en

Singapore...

Many of my clients will outsource the dirty coding jobs to them then do QC in house, after that load it in the development environment to test run many times before it goes to production servers.
Better then 25yrs old dumbass
It is not able whether a 59 year old can still be a programmer.. It is whether any chance is given for him to prove his skills (if he did a mid career change)..

We keep boasting we got mid career change programme, but if after graduating from the program and no one want to give them a chance, then all the good money pump in for training will go to waste..

We have NCS who always need IT manpower, but you will never hear NCS tap into all these mid career change folks and give them a chance.. If GLC companies are not even willing to do it, you expect private companies to do it?? Wait long long.
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