(20-10-2023, 07:39 PM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ]Jews were a diasporic, scattered pop @ the time due to widespread persecution. They were made slaves and third class citizens during the Roman empire and settled wherever they could. As for Persian and Arab nations giving them refuge, just remember these nations were worshipping other gods at this time. Islamism ony came into existence after the fall of the Roman Empire. Oredy you yourself just posted BC.
You're confused. I said they sought refuge in Arab and Persuan lands ftom 300 BC. I never said Muslim lands.
(20-10-2023, 07:31 PM)Simplemen Wrote: [ -> ]So you listen to your friends rather than find out from legit sources?
You contradicted yourself when you said they ran to seek refuge & settled in Muslim lands for hundreds of years, and in the same breadth they were ethnically cleansed by the Muslims.
Muslim is the legit source.
Why is conversation and ethnic cleansing mutually exclusive? They are not. it is also documented that Muslims did force conversation on Jews or be killed. Just because they able to run to a remote region where authority cannot prosecute them easily does not mean they are well accepted. The ancient era is not modern era with vehicles. The fact that you don't even take this into your consideration when arguing about things make your arguments very bias on top of being illogical.
(20-10-2023, 08:27 PM)Lu5ck Wrote: [ -> ]Muslim is the legit source.
Why is conversation and ethnic cleansing mutually exclusive? They are not. it is also documented that Muslims did force conversation on Jews or be killed. Just because they able to run to a remote region where authority cannot prosecute them easily does not mean they are well accepted. The ancient era is not modern era with vehicles. The fact that you don't even take this into your consideration when arguing about things make your arguments very bias on top of being illogical.
You claimed that Jews population in the Middle East declined from 300BC to 1948 as a result of Muslims committing ethnic cleansing of Jews.
I pointed out your contradiction that they fled the Helenistic and Roman persecution to seek refuge in Persian & Arab lands, and continued doing so for hundreds of years even after the middle east was Islamised.
Im not saying that things were perfect, no one is. But it is historically true that the Jews repeatedly ran towards the Muslims to escape European pogroms. It was the Palestinians themselves under the Muslim Ottoman Empire who first opened up Jerusalem to Jews running away from Europe in the 1800s.
Thats because Jews and Arabs have a long history of coexistence. Jews, Christians and Muslims are the "People of the Book" who worship God.
(20-10-2023, 09:38 PM)Simplemen Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/...wcon%5Es1_
To my layman's eyes the footage from dis tiongkok propaganda site looks doctored. Too little impact on the ground and there is some pixellation surrounding the missile which is taking it's own sweet time to fall for the camera to shoot
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(20-10-2023, 10:02 PM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ]To my layman's eyes the footage from dis tiongkok propaganda site looks doctored. Too little impact on the ground and there is some pixellation surrounding the missile which is taking it's own sweet time to fall for the camera to shoot .
No one in this forum gives flying fark what you think
(20-10-2023, 10:02 PM)luncheonmeat Wrote: [ -> ]To my layman's eyes the footage from dis tiongkok propaganda site looks doctored. Too little impact on the ground and there is some pixellation surrounding the missile which is taking it's own sweet time to fall for the camera to shoot .
Even the dumbest layman could tell that the footage was captured in slow-motion
(20-10-2023, 10:55 PM)Simplemen Wrote: [ -> ]Even the dumbest layman could tell that the footage was captured in slow-motion
Good wan. lol. So slow motion ony for the doctored missile but faster motion for the explosion? Both off sync in speeds.
I think since both sides have their own stories and none of us can ever verify who is telling the truth, it is better not to hold very strong views on who bombed the hospital.
(20-10-2023, 11:58 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]I think since both sides have their own stories and none of us can ever verify who is telling the truth, it is better not to hold very strong views on who bombed the hospital.
As long as there is no independent investigation by neutral parties, nothing is conclusive!
(20-10-2023, 09:15 PM)Simplemen Wrote: [ -> ]You claimed that Jews population in the Middle East declined from 300BC to 1948 as a result of Muslims committing ethnic cleansing of Jews.
I pointed out your contradiction that they fled the Helenistic and Roman persecution to seek refuge in Persian & Arab lands, and continued doing so for hundreds of years even after the middle east was Islamised.
Im not saying that things were perfect, no one is. But it is historically true that the Jews repeatedly ran towards the Muslims to escape European pogroms. It was the Palestinians themselves under the Muslim Ottoman Empire who first opened up Jerusalem to Jews running away from Europe in the 1800s.
Thats because Jews and Arabs have a long history of coexistence. Jews, Christians and Muslims are the "People of the Book" who worship God.
You want to talk history, at least get your history right. You attempt to sneakily include "Palestinians" term is also noted.
In 1516, Jerusalem was taken over by the Ottoman Empire along with all of Greater Syria and enjoyed a period of renewal and peace under Suleiman the Magnificent, including the construction of the walls, which define until today what is now known as the Old City of Jerusalem. The outline of the walls largely follows that of different older fortifications. The rule of Suleiman and subsequent Ottoman Sultans brought an age of "religious peace"; Jew, Christian and Muslim enjoyed freedom of religion and it was possible to find a synagogue, a church and a mosque on the same street. The city remained open to all religions, although the empire's faulty management after Suleiman the Magnificent meant economical stagnation.
While there are nice muslims, I didn't say there isn't. There definitely a lot of evil muslims.
Force conversion, there's more, lazy to feed you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyubid_dynasty
We also loss big time. Oil go up and inflation go up, we have to pay more.
worse is we are innocent, we did not fight.
(21-10-2023, 03:15 AM)Lu5ck Wrote: [ -> ]You want to talk history, at least get your history right. You attempt to sneakily include "Palestinians" term is also noted.
In 1516, Jerusalem was taken over by the Ottoman Empire along with all of Greater Syria and enjoyed a period of renewal and peace under Suleiman the Magnificent, including the construction of the walls, which define until today what is now known as the Old City of Jerusalem. The outline of the walls largely follows that of different older fortifications. The rule of Suleiman and subsequent Ottoman Sultans brought an age of "religious peace"; Jew, Christian and Muslim enjoyed freedom of religion and it was possible to find a synagogue, a church and a mosque on the same street. The city remained open to all religions, although the empire's faulty management after Suleiman the Magnificent meant economical stagnation.
While there are nice muslims, I didn't say there isn't. There definitely a lot of evil muslims.
Force conversion, there's more, lazy to feed you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyubid_dynasty
Ok since you used Wikipedia as your source of history, I'll do the same.
My Wikipedia has citation to back it up.
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(21-10-2023, 10:50 AM)Simplemen Wrote: [ -> ]Ok since you used Wikipedia as your source of history, I'll do the same.
My Wikipedia has citation to back it up.
So you want to talk about origin of the name and no longer about
antisemitism in islam
Can~~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o..._Palestine
The oldest well documented people is
Philistines
They have own language which already extinct, today's Palestinians are completely unrelated to Philistines which is the origin of the name. How dare these Palestinians claim right of the land when they are immigrants themselves.
