In the future, it will be unthinkable that students would graduate with a degree in engineering or a degree in business, says Education Minister Chan Chun Sing.
What will be of value will be relevant skills and knowledge to solve real problems, rather than "artificial silos" of content, he adds. Here are some excerpts from his interview.
https://str.sg/wQAX
(16-01-2022, 10:37 PM)Blin Wrote: [ -> ]Degrees not important.
He must be joking.
Luckily he is not the next PM.
You see O level qualification can be a minister?
(16-01-2022, 10:39 PM)RiseofAsia Wrote: [ -> ]He must be joking.
Luckily he is not the next PM.
You see O level qualification can be a minister?
39% think a monkey can be a minister.
Don't believe?
You put up a monkey as a candidate, and they will vote for him...
after spending so many yrs in sch still cannot learn from jobs? 还不能断奶?
Mr Chan needs to solve the 20 years problem of IT manpower shortage by using local talents and not by importing IT talents from India.
As long as he cannot solve this IT manpower shortage, he will be a lousy Education Minister like the past PAP ministers.
(16-01-2022, 10:49 PM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]39% think a monkey can be a minister.
Don't believe?
You put up a monkey as a candidate, and they will vote for him...
Only you'll think so.
Don't believe?
Try putting up a monkey as a candidate.
Nonsense, LOL like that people go JC for wat? In fact go JC is the SAFE proof route in SG. No matter what.
Faster to get promote , progress JC>NUS/NTU future upgrade Master > PHD if you want
At work place you see CEO, even top civil servants, check their education profile all formerly from JC
look at Chan Chun Sing himself also from JC and others Ministers , PM , President.
Read the article in totality, he didn't say that degree is not important. He's merely saying that people need to keep learning and have diversified skills, so that a person knowing just engineering or business is not good enough.
(17-01-2022, 12:02 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Read the article in totality, he didn't say that degree is not important. He's merely saying that people need to keep learning and have diversified skills, so that a person knowing just engineering or business is not good enough.
why I say Business management still the one , partly in SG here. End of the day Foreigners talents CECA will be always there unless SG and India have " big problem or whatever " same apply for other foreigners.
than down to foreigner workers, Locals one? you see where those IT grad from Poly end up? etc?
PHV, food delivery rider etc and Who still at the top? Locals who are JC grade , having NUS business degree at least doing the management.
IF you prefer back to good old days 80s, 90s is a good option go get Dip BUT now is different.
Come promotion, progress no matter what , the one formerly JC grad with either NUS/NTU degree has the upper hand. and progress faster than a Poly grad with degree.
Students need diverse skills for life long credits learning while task force jus need ladders n snakes to slide up n down to avert life challenges
(17-01-2022, 12:27 AM)Galilo_l Wrote: [ -> ]Students need diverse skills for life long credits learning while task force jus need ladders n snakes to slide up n down to avert life challenges
Good an example like my Rich Uncle, former JC grad > NUS business OF course end of the day still have to depend individual , some don't have tat business brain , some have. The key here is " passport " when you Have path your education route right than future is your personal skills, etc come in , these ones are things cannot be teach , is from your experiences etc.
(17-01-2022, 12:33 AM)[[ForeverAlone]] Wrote: [ -> ]Good an example like my Rich Uncle, former JC grad > NUS business OF course end of the day still have to depend individual , some don't have tat business brain , some have. The key here is " passport " when you Have path your education route right than future is your personal skills, etc come in , these ones are things cannot be teach , is from your experiences etc.
Sum just follow scripts... no nid use business or ministerial brain to carry job
(17-01-2022, 12:43 AM)Galilo_l Wrote: [ -> ]Sum just follow scripts... no nid use business or ministerial brain to carry job
lol this is why I say JC route is ALWAYS the safe bet,
If you wanna be like him, Same go JC best elite JC get scholar , than as been a Top civil servant involve a lot community work beside join Young PAP , just cross finger hope get nominated for GE , BEST Tag with PM or those old guards
good an example LOL look at Chan Chun Sing himself so there you go
we might be in Klaus schwab's great reset world
u own nothing and u happy.
In dat world Ah Chan still relevant?
Looking at Singapore push for Green I shudder.
Failure the lesser of the FALL might not fare well also.
In the real calculations Indonesia Malaysia look like all Asean ahead of Singapore at only 556 in dola term per unit of people.
Indonesia for ex is 3000. source military Industrial complex.
(17-01-2022, 01:44 AM)[[ForeverAlone]] Wrote: [ -> ]lol this is why I say JC route is ALWAYS the safe bet,
If you wanna be like him, Same go JC best elite JC get scholar , than as been a Top civil servant involve a lot community work beside join Young PAP , just cross finger hope get nominated for GE , BEST Tag with PM or those old guards
good an example LOL look at Chan Chun Sing himself so there you go
Actually A level cert is useless if you donch go to Uni. Better go the poly route. Poly grads also can go uni nowadays.
(17-01-2022, 07:11 AM)p1acebo Wrote: [ -> ]Actually A level cert is useless if you donch go to Uni. Better go the poly route. Poly grads also can go uni nowadays.
Yes. We encouraged our eldest child to go poly instead of pre U even though she can get into JC. Can still get into U later if really interested. No point studying all academic subjects in JC.
Times have changed. Learning is lifelong.
Cotton is right for once.
In fact Steve Jobs already practiced it in his time. He didn't follow his course but instead join other classes that interest him like calligraphy.
Learn for knowledge and applications in real life, not for paper only.
Live till old, learn till old....
A need to be future proof is essential.. with current market in Singapore, it is going to be flooded like any other countries. Going abroad will be a future soon.
(17-01-2022, 08:49 AM)FangFang Wrote: [ -> ]A need to be future proof is essential.. with current market in Singapore, it is going to be flooded like any other countries. Going abroad will be a future soon.
Too many ceca here. Sinkies can only do Grabfood and drive Grab
(17-01-2022, 07:11 AM)p1acebo Wrote: [ -> ]Actually A level cert is useless if you donch go to Uni. Better go the poly route. Poly grads also can go uni nowadays.
Not all poly grad. can go to NUS/NTU, they will need to score gold, silver, bronze medal, book prices and cert. of merit in order to qualify for NUS/NTU admission....
(16-01-2022, 10:17 PM)Talent Wrote: [ -> ]In the future, it will be unthinkable that students would graduate with a degree in engineering or a degree in business, says Education Minister Chan Chun Sing.
What will be of value will be relevant skills and knowledge to solve real problems, rather than "artificial silos" of content, he adds. Here are some excerpts from his interview. https://str.sg/wQAX
I agree also. But without a degree, one cannot climb the corporate ladder. let alone into civil service. Nowadays even administrator in the civil service must be a degree holder. He being a minister dont know the recruitment policy in civil service meh??
(16-01-2022, 11:57 PM)[[ForeverAlone]] Wrote: [ -> ]Nonsense, LOL like that people go JC for wat? In fact go JC is the SAFE proof route in SG. No matter what.
Faster to get promote , progress JC>NUS/NTU future upgrade Master > PHD if you want
At work place you see CEO, even top civil servants, check their education profile all formerly from JC
look at Chan Chun Sing himself also from JC and others Ministers , PM , President.
PM Lee has a bachelor degree with double honors in Maths. and also a overseas masters degree and EP has a bachelor degree in law and also a masters degree in Law. I suspect all ministers have at least a basic degree (bachelor). Otherwise, they will not be nominated to become a minister......
(17-01-2022, 09:32 AM)kc172021 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree also. But without a degree, one cannot climb the corporate ladder. let alone into civil service. Nowadays even administrator in the civil service must be a degree holder. He being a minister dont know the recruitment policy in civil service meh??
That's why they need to change , set the example from civil service.
Really having a degree doesn't mean you are the right person for the job. Another person may be better even though he doesn't have a degree. This degree chasing must stop but the whole world must do it, not just here.
Makes sense also because knowledge gets outdated very fast, what we learned in uni years or decades ago may not be relevant today. Or may even be wrong.
Life long learning is the new normal.
(17-01-2022, 07:11 AM)p1acebo Wrote: [ -> ]Actually A level cert is useless if you donch go to Uni. Better go the poly route. Poly grads also can go uni nowadays.
Yes of course , hello those go JC route OF course target go Uni.
Nah Poly route is Not a wise choice and worst Now. IF back in good old days 80s, 90s yes BUT now is not.
Lastly Promotion, progress to higher management is Faster for JC grad with Degree honestly.
Don't believe?
Just see around you, your colleagues, Polys one and formerly JC ones with degree
OR Poly grad with degree vs JC grad with degree.
ONE thing for sure, JC grad progress faster.
Even in Public sectors look around you those straight come in to become Director, Deputy director , ALL former JC grads
Likewise same in Big Corporation even in Bank, DBS, OCBC , you name it , look those Holding top position inside, ALL formerly JC grads for most.
Those who are formerly Poly , do have but minority mind you , for them is take years to get there , whereas Former JC grads take just few years to get that position.
(17-01-2022, 09:37 AM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]PM Lee has a bachelor degree with double honors in Maths. and also a overseas masters degree and EP has a bachelor degree in law and also a masters degree in Law. I suspect all ministers have at least a basic degree (bachelor). Otherwise, they will not be nominated to become a minister......
Yes, Degree is " Basic ". Also to " show " come GE, as people will view each candidate education levels, where they work etc stuffs.
BUT for me , Come Politics, Politicians Is quite complex , complicated in the sense " You have highly education level don't necessary means you are Good in Politics matters "
(17-01-2022, 10:46 AM)[[ForeverAlone]] Wrote: [ -> ]Yes of course , hello those go JC route OF course target go Uni.
Nah Poly route is Not a wise choice and worst Now. IF back in good old days 80s, 90s yes BUT now is not.
Lastly Promotion, progress to higher management is Faster for JC grad with Degree honestly.
Don't believe?
Just see around you, your colleagues, Polys one and formerly JC ones with degree
OR Poly grad with degree vs JC grad with degree.
ONE thing for sure, JC grad progress faster.
Even in Public sectors look around you those straight come in to become Director, Deputy director , ALL former JC grads
Likewise same in Big Corporation even in Bank, DBS, OCBC , you name it , look those Holding top position inside, ALL formerly JC grads for most.
Those who are formerly Poly , do have but minority mind you , for them is take years to get there , whereas Former JC grads take just few years to get that position.
Poly give better variations and options than JC. If can't make it to uni after JC, die, only A levels, useless.
With poly, more hands on education. If can't make it to uni, definitely can carve out a career in some thing or a startup. Don't need to be a coolie all your life.
Not everyone is suitable for uni education.
