Singapore leaders have spoken of the dangers to our very existence if big powerful countries violate international law and bully smaller weaker nations.
The cost in terms of human lives and economic disruption is very high.
Ukraine is a sovereign state and has the right yo reject puppets Russia wants to install as leaders to run the country. They also have the right to join EU to better their economic well being.
Russia has told many lies. First saying it won't invade and later claiming it has majority support of civilians to topple Zalensky govt.
We have been warned about the flood of misinformation that Russia spread as part of its warfare to slander other leaders, distort the truth and misinformation the public.
Unfortunately we see the success of Russian info warfare here as some forumers buy the Russian lies.
The basic fact that international law is violated and Putin is a criminal.
This forum is hotbed for commies information warfare, propagandas and influence.
I can see many old timers were brainwashed by them despite being very supportive of pap in the past.
Don't be silly lah. Putin will not be pressured. The only way out now is to give him face and declare that Ukraine will never be part of NATO.
(02-03-2022, 11:10 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]Singapore leaders have spoken of the dangers to our very existence if big powerful countries violate international law and bully smaller weaker nations.
The cost in terms of human lives and economic disruption is very high.
Ukraine is a sovereign state and has the right yo reject puppets Russia wants to install as leaders to run the country. They also have the right to join EU to better their economic well being.
Russia has told many lies. First saying it won't invade and later claiming it has majority support of civilians to topple Zalensky govt.
We have been warned about the flood of misinformation that Russia spread as part of its warfare to slander other leaders, distort the truth and misinformation the public.
Unfortunately we see the success of Russian info warfare here as some forumers buy the Russian lies.
The basic fact that international law is violated and Putin is a criminal.
this time i must say you are a fool, brain wash by the west for too long. The west is expanding their influence and control, like killing the frog in the pot of heating water
(02-03-2022, 11:10 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]Singapore leaders have spoken of the dangers to our very existence if big powerful countries violate international law and bully smaller weaker nations.
The cost in terms of human lives and economic disruption is very high.
Ukraine is a sovereign state and has the right yo reject puppets Russia wants to install as leaders to run the country. They also have the right to join EU to better their economic well being.
Russia has told many lies. First saying it won't invade and later claiming it has majority support of civilians to topple Zalensky govt.
We have been warned about the flood of misinformation that Russia spread as part of its warfare to slander other leaders, distort the truth and misinformation the public.
Unfortunately we see the success of Russian info warfare here as some forumers buy the Russian lies.
The basic fact that international law is violated and Putin is a criminal.
The way u think is exactly like USA and Pappy. Using on the stick way. Heard of stick and carrot approach ?
So where is the carrot ?
(02-03-2022, 11:26 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't be silly lah. Putin will not be pressured. The only way out now is to give him face and declare that Ukraine will never be part of NATO.
It is not about offering him an off-ramp to gracefully deescalated. He can create one himself with this regard.
For the rest of the world ...now that he show himself willing to break international law and commit war crimes so a concerted effort is needed.
The danger is given his autocratic rule there is no check and balance on him within the Russian system.
(02-03-2022, 12:10 PM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]It is not about offering him an off-ramp to gracefully deescalated. He can create one himself with this regard.
For the rest of the world ...now that he show himself willing to break international law and commit war crimes so a concerted effort is needed.
How do you think he can create one himself? By saying that he was ill-advised by his advisers? Just like how Bush said the US intelligence had misled him?
We need to go back to the root of the problem, which is his concern with Ukraine joining into an alliance with his enemies. Both sides need to give way.
Dont be Naive. UKRAINE is not important to the world. Let Russia fall into trap set. US happily will let Russia invade. Then US now got good reason to punish Russia. No need weapons. Just a slow death.
The world is piling pressure on him in a concerted way. If Putin don't relent and stop his greedy campaign, the Russian economy will suffer. The msg is clear that invading another sovereign country is wrong no matter what fuxking excuses he has.
(02-03-2022, 12:21 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]How do you think he can create one himself? By saying that he was ill-advised by his advisers? Just like how Bush said the US intelligence had misled him?
We need to go back to the root of the problem, which is his concern with Ukraine joining into an alliance with his enemies. Both sides need to give way.
There are many ways for putin to engage ukraine, but he choose to invade. Its like saying a you are wooing a girl but she look the other side, you decided to rape her instead.
(02-03-2022, 11:10 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]Singapore leaders have spoken of the dangers to our very existence if big powerful countries violate international law and bully smaller weaker nations.
The cost in terms of human lives and economic disruption is very high.
Ukraine is a sovereign state and has the right yo reject puppets Russia wants to install as leaders to run the country. They also have the right to join EU to better their economic well being.
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Didn't USA violated international law and attacked sovereign state like, Iraq on fake reason of WMD?
US had countless invations including Libya, Seria, Afghanistan, etc.
Why you practice double standard? Stop these rubbish.
(02-03-2022, 12:25 PM)Sharexchange Wrote: [ -> ]Dont be Naive. UKRAINE is not important to the world. Let Russia fall into trap set. US happily will let Russia invade. Then US now got good reason to punish Russia. No need weapons. Just a slow death.
Ukarine IS important to the world now. It can set precedence how geo-politics progress or regress in the future.
(02-03-2022, 12:35 PM)guffaw Wrote: [ -> ]There are many ways for putin to engage ukraine, but he choose to invade. Its like saying a you are wooing a girl but she look the other side, you decided to rape her instead.
I do agree that he should have given Ukraine an ultimatum to declare themselves neutral before sending his troops in but well, he may have other concerns. I'm not him, so no comments on this.
But no need to give example, because I can return you another. For example, this could be Putin seeing an ex-beau who is going to be cheated by somebody, and he's only going there to help her (not rape hor), and perhaps help themselves back into a good relationship.
(02-03-2022, 12:35 PM)webinarian Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't USA violated international law and attacked sovereign state like, Iraq on fake reason of WMD?
US had countless invations including Libya, Seria, Afghanistan, etc.
Why you practice double standard? Stop these rubbish.
While US was wrong and its invasion based on faulty intelligence,.Saddam Hussein previously invaded another country and had unsettled war crimes.
Still I condemn the US for its invasion
I think it is hypocritical for people to condemn the US but support Russian invasion. It is double standards and extremely bias.
Most politicians started off very good and popular. what happen?.
(02-03-2022, 12:44 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]For example, this could be Putin seeing an ex-beau who is going to be cheated by somebody, and he's only going there to help her (not rape hor), and perhaps help themselves back into a good relationship.
In the first place, Putin already say it is to the best of his interest to invade ukraine. So it is not the case ukarine will be cheated. It is clearly putin feeling insecure and dont want his ex-girlfriend to befriend others.
Further, in this cases, every country act on its best interest, and it seemed joining nato is to be best interest for many aspect for ukraine, except when her neighbour decided for her it is not and then allow himself upon her.
(02-03-2022, 12:55 PM)guffaw Wrote: [ -> ]In the first place, Putin already say it is to the best of his interest to invade ukraine. So it is not the case ukarine will be cheated. It is clearly putin feeling insecure and dont want his ex-girlfriend to befriend others.
If Russia as country with biggest land mass and nuclear weapons can claim it need to be aggressor because it feel insecure.... what about all the hundreds smaller nations?
It is a rubbish excuse given by Putin.....
Your girlfriend analogy is accurate ...it has more to do increasing its power and sphere of influence rather than its own security.