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It explains why so many people dedicate their lives to achieving things that make them miserable. This might sound crazy, but an unseen force is pushing you towards empty and unfulfilling goals…

The book is called ‘Wanting’, by a guy named Luke Burgis. It’s about mimetic desire. An academic theory popularized by Peter Thiel. At face value, it barely sounds worth mentioning: When the people around you want something, we want it too…

Let’s say you’re at a bar. You’re about to order a beer but your friend orders a martini. “I’ll have one too actually” - you wanted a beer, but you were influenced to switch. Ok, so what? But now lets take it to the next level…

Let’s say your friend raises money for her startup. You start comparing. You're happily bootstrapped. “Why was she able to raise more?” “How did she get Sequoia on board?” "Wow that valuation..." “I should really raise a round”

You don’t realize you start assigning value to raising money because of your friend. It pushes you to raise a round. You didn't even need the money. You not only want to copy her, but you want to do better than her. Suddenly, you’re locked in a mimetic competition. Especially if ALL of the peers in your world are raising money. It quickly becomes a game of oneupsmanship.

If you live in San Francisco, for example, raising money, valuation, who your investors are, number of employees. These are the metrics by which your peer group collectively has defined success. But let’s say you lived in LA instead of San Francisco...Maybe you’d be competing on film credits. Awards. Which celebrities you know. Where you get restaurant reservations. Your car. Every peer group collectively wants and competes for the same things. Hang out with comedians and you’ll want a Netflix special. Hang out with writers and you’ll want to get published in The New Yorker. Hang out with athletes and you’ll want Olympic medals. And so on, and so on.

Of course, none of these desires relate in any way to your personal happiness or true desires. You don’t know realize it, but you want these things because other people want them. You might see this pattern in a group of friends. One person will buy a Tesla and it’s like a virus. A Model Y becomes the calling card of success. Gradually, everyone in the group slowly switches over to a Tesla.

Sometimes rebellious members of the group will instead MIRROR these wants. They do the opposite to try to make themselves seem unique or special. If one friend buys a Tesla, the other buys a vintage car and talks up the rumble of the engine and how much they love working on it on weekends. Despite the attempt to differentiate, they are still a falling into the pattern, with their desire for a new car defined by the pack. These waves of wanting splash over all of us constantly. It’s almost impossible to remain unaffected by it, even if you know what to look for. The key is to determine your true, intrinsic THICK desires and separate them from your false, extrinsic THIN desires.

For example: A thin desire is extrinsic (coming from others): You wanting to buy an expensive watch because your friend showed you theirs, even though you’ve never had any interest in watches or fashion. A thick desire is intrinsic (coming from within): You love quietly gardening on weekends and do it because you enjoy it. You’d do it even if you could never tell anyone about it on social media. You do it for yourself.

So, the question is: WHO is making you want the things you want? And more importantly: Do you ACTUALLY want these things? Are they thin or thick desires? Surround yourself with the wrong models you will be bound to artificial, unfulfilling goals.

Here's an example: There's a French chef named Sebastian Bras. Like any high level chef, his goal was to reach the pinnacle of cooking and be awarded a Michelin star. He got the star. But the victory was hollow. Instead of enjoying it, now he just wanted a second star. And once he got the second one, he just feared losing it. On top of that, he had to follow ridiculously strict rules about what it meant to be "in the club" and maintain the star.

He felt stifled by Michelin's rules, and he realized he had been competing for something he didn't want just because all his peers modelled it as important. He ended up doing something pretty baller: he told Michelin to remove him from the guide and revoke his star—he opted out.

So, how can you avoid Sebastian's fate of ending up spending your life pursuing something that doesn't actually make you happy? First, you have to figure out who your models are. A good trick to do this: think about who you DON'T want to succeed. Not overtly. But who do you track? Who are you a bit jealous of? Who are you competing with? It could be a peer, a friend, a co-worker—someone in your close orbit.

Ask yourself: is the path that this person is leading me down (via competition) a path that leads to goals that align with my real, intrinsic, thick desires. Would I be truly happy if I became like them? If you don't like what you see, then you need to prune who you're exposed to. Primarily: who do you spend time with? Who do you listen to? Who do you read? The goal is to spend time with models (peers who model desires to you) that share similar intrinsic desires to your own.

One way to think about it is the old adage: "You are the sum of your five best friends" Choose carefully, and don't spend time with people whose lives/desires don't line up with your intrinsic desires. There's a lot more to it, but that's the gist. Read the book, it's great.

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"One way to think about it is the old adage: "You are the sum of your five best friends""

This sums up the book, I guess. Nothing new, just a new package.

There are many books written on influence which is what this book really is about. We are all consciously or unconsciously influenced by people and events around us all the time. Social media made this even more powerful.
I have said many times that people's thinking are shaped by others and conditioned by society ...work, follow the rules, try to get promoted.
Society mold us to define our "goals" and success

In the end we are products of social propaganda.

If we can put aside these rules, thinking and expectations created by others, only then we can discover ourselves and what is important.

Many go through their entire lives without understanding or discovering the above.
Explanation of mimetic theory.

Isnt this writer trying to copy others by writing?
Theres nothing wrong about it. Its how people achieve their own goals in life.
(04-04-2022, 09:04 AM)Notdumb Wrote: [ -> ]Isnt this writer trying to copy others by writing?
Theres nothing wrong about it. Its how people achieve their own goals in life.
You are mistaken. Plse read.
The main idea is to understand what you really want ...and know when you have been influenced jnto wanting something without thinking.
(04-04-2022, 09:15 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]You are mistaken. Plse read.
The main idea is to understand what you really want ...and know when you have been influenced jnto wanting something without thinking.
No wonder you still poor after so màny years playing the stock mkt and still a hopeless  longterm bagholder
(04-04-2022, 09:04 AM)Notdumb Wrote: [ -> ]Isnt this writer trying to copy others by writing?
Theres nothing wrong about it. Its how people achieve their own goals in life.

That's right There is nothing new at all. Just a repackage with a new word. This is all marketing. The ang moh is damn good at it.
The book looks like Dharma teaching. Actually what this writer wrote had been explained by Buddha 2000 years ago when he taught Four Noble Truths which comprise the essence of Buddha's teachings They are....

First - the truth of suffering,
Second - the truth of the cause of suffering,
Third - the truth of the end of suffering,
Fourth - the truth of the path that leads to the end of suffering.

Basically the writer just explained the First Truth and Second Truth in another interesting way. He left out the Third and Fourth Truth which teach you how to get out of all these shxt in order that the book will not become a religious book...... Rolleyes
(04-04-2022, 09:54 AM)Huliwang Wrote: [ -> ]The book looks like Dharma teaching. Actually what this writer wrote had been explained by Buddha 2000 years ago when he taught Four Noble Truths which comprise the essence of Buddha's teachings They are....

First - the truth of suffering,
Second - the truth of the cause of suffering,
Third - the truth of the end of suffering,
Fourth - the truth of the path that leads to the end of suffering.

Basically the writer just explained the First Truth and Second Truth in another interesting way. He left out the Third and Fourth Truth which teach you how to get out of all these shxt in order that the book will not become a religious book...... Rolleyes

No worries, 3rd and 4th truth will be repackaged in a new book, ang moh style.
(04-04-2022, 10:00 AM)RichDad Wrote: [ -> ]No worries, 3rd and 4th truth will be repackaged in a new book, ang moh style.

Maybe there is nothing new under the sun.
But repackage to present context 

However, this thing is not just repackaged but organised so that deeper study can be done and parts verified.

It's like Chinese medicine can already cure everything from Cancer to Covid.

But the western medicine need to verify through testing.

If you want to use mimetic theory we'll, it is not just assuming this and that but knowing what works exactly.

(04-04-2022, 09:15 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]You are mistaken. Plse read.
The main idea is to understand what you really want ...and know when you have been influenced jnto wanting something without thinking.

So....u telling me u really want to be single?

Or....u r hopeless with the opposite sex?

Or....u dont need sex?
(04-04-2022, 10:06 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe there is nothing new under the sun.
But repackage to present context 

However, this thing is not just repackaged but organised so that deeper study can be done and parts verified.

It's like Chinese medicine can already cure everything from Cancer to Covid.

But the western medicine need to verify through testing.

If you want to use mimetic theory we'll, it is not just assuming this and that but knowing what works exactly.


C'mon lah SgBluffett, you know what works meh? Really?

If you really know what works in life as in business and investments, you would not be still so poor after all these years playing the simple stock market and still end up as a perpetual long term bagholder

Get me a break!