02-09-2021, 10:03 PM
02-09-2021, 10:35 PM
This kind of things cannot bluff since he got pay $3k fine..
So govt going to refund his $3k with interest?
So govt going to refund his $3k with interest?
02-09-2021, 10:39 PM
(02-09-2021, 10:35 PM)ArielCasper Wrote: [ -> ]This kind of things cannot bluff since he got pay $3k fine..
So govt going to refund his $3k with interest?
Need to apologise?

02-09-2021, 10:50 PM
20 years behind time
02-09-2021, 11:53 PM
(02-09-2021, 10:35 PM)ArielCasper Wrote: [ -> ]This kind of things cannot bluff since he got pay $3k fine..
So govt going to refund his $3k with interest?
refund and apologise
03-09-2021, 12:10 AM
In 2002, Dr Chee was slapped with a $3000 fine was speaking up on the Tudung issue. In 2002, the Tudung issue gained traction as 4 Primary 1 Girls were prevented from entering their schools for wearing headscarves.
In his speech, Dr Chee argued that there was no evidence to support the Government’s claims that allowing such practices would cause racial disunity.
More at https://tinyurl.com/ea35v752
In his speech, Dr Chee argued that there was no evidence to support the Government’s claims that allowing such practices would cause racial disunity.
More at https://tinyurl.com/ea35v752
03-09-2021, 06:28 AM
Dr Chee has mellowed. 20 years ago he was not well like. Mature politics is his style now and he gaining more sympathisers including myself. I once dislike him after the chiam see tong saga.
03-09-2021, 07:01 AM
Eons back in my early working years, when we were all bright eyed and bushy tailed, whatever information we had was from msm. Even from the internet. CSJ was the ogre and demonized as a raging mad man. One of my colleagues told us one Monday that he went for a barbecue over the weekend and met him, and was nothing like what msm painted him.
We never bother to find out more because we were too busy chasing our careers and meow meow.
Just saying
We never bother to find out more because we were too busy chasing our careers and meow meow.
Just saying

03-09-2021, 07:11 AM
should lhl be fined 3k?
03-09-2021, 07:28 AM
03-09-2021, 08:34 AM
Great Historian😂
03-09-2021, 09:00 AM
PAP will say 20rs ago the laws are different.
03-09-2021, 09:02 AM
(03-09-2021, 09:00 AM)ODA TETSURO Wrote: [ -> ]PAP will say 20rs ago the laws are different.
Laws can be changed and created in parliament.
This tudung incident shows that Singapore is behind time by 20 years without Chee Soon Juan in parliament.
03-09-2021, 09:44 AM
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03-09-2021, 10:16 AM
In 2002, Chee Soon Juan was fined for speaking up on Tudung Issue
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/05...ung-issue/
In his speech, Dr Chee argued that there was no evidence to support the Government’s claims that allowing such practices would cause racial disunity.
The problem, the Government says, is that this will cause racial disunity and harm social cohesion. When policies are put into place there must be substantive reasons for doing so. The Government bans smoking in public places because there is scientific evidence to show that smoking and second-hand smoke increases the chance of the inhaler developing cancer. But what evidence is there to show that schoolgirls wearing tudung will cause racial disharmony? If the Government can cite evidence and convince us that such is the case, I will be the first one to support the banning of tudung in schools.
On the contrary, allowing students to wear their headscarves to schools will expose schoolchildren to diverse cultural practices at a young age. By teaching them about differences in people, they will feel comfortable in the midst of diversity when they grow up. We can teach them that differences in our clothes and religion and language are good things, and that they should be embraced. This is what will enhance racial harmony.
Schools in developed countries are encouraging diversity in the classroom so that schoolchildren are exposed to different cultures and practices from a very young age. Ask any psychologist and she will tell you that the best way to remove prejudices and racial bigotry is to expose children to the various cultures when they are young. Why are we moving in the opposite direction?
The Government says that if it allows the girls to wear tudung, then there’ll be no end to what every one wants for their children. Let us be realistic. For almost 40 years, we have allowed Sikh boys to wear turbans and Christian children to wear crucifixes to school. Has there been an explosion of parents clamouring for their children to wear this and that type of dress to school? When I was in school I had schoolmates who wore their turbans to school and no one ever thought that because of that they, too, wanted to wear their own types of clothes to school
In an subsequent interview, he rubbished claims that he was speaking for Muslims to gain political mileage and shared why the he and SDP was speaking up on the issue
Why is it that I, a Chinese Christian, have chosen to speak up for four Muslim girls? There is a saying that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. The evil that I am talking about is the racial and religious differences that tear societies apart.
I know that my Malay and Muslim friends are afraid to speak out on this issue because every time they do, they are branded as racists and they attract the unwanted attention from the Government. And so many of them choose to keep quiet. But the problem doesn’t go away. Whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, it is there. We cannot pretend that it doesn’t exist. The danger is that if we ignore it, the problem will continue fester and, one day, explode in our faces.
I have been told that Malays feel deprived because the Government doesn’t allow Muslim women to wear the tudung in certain work places such as the police, immigration and in hospitals. This is an on-going concern in the Muslim community because it means that job opportunities for Muslim women are cut down. The non-Muslim communities are largely ignorant of this problem
The gist of Dr Chee’s submissions during the ‘tudung trial’ are encapsulated in the excerpt from the Court transcipt below
If you follow the prosecutions logic that just because I used these words, therefore I have spoken on religious or religious matters and therefore in breach of the conditions of exemption of the Speakers’ Corner then we, like computers, have fallen into the trap where black can be turned into white, right into wrong.
Yes, words such as tudung, turban, and crucifix were words I used in my speech. It is imperative, however, to ascertain the context in which the words were used and for what purpose that I used them.
The prosecution’s witness, Inspector Tan Mei Far, admitted on cross-examination that I had not made any disparaging remarks that would have caused enmity, hatred, hostility and ill-will about any racial or religious group. Not only did I not make any disparaging remarks about religion or any particular religious faith, I actually used these words to support the thesis of my speech which was to advocate equality, racial harmony, and social cohesion.
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/05...ung-issue/
In his speech, Dr Chee argued that there was no evidence to support the Government’s claims that allowing such practices would cause racial disunity.
The problem, the Government says, is that this will cause racial disunity and harm social cohesion. When policies are put into place there must be substantive reasons for doing so. The Government bans smoking in public places because there is scientific evidence to show that smoking and second-hand smoke increases the chance of the inhaler developing cancer. But what evidence is there to show that schoolgirls wearing tudung will cause racial disharmony? If the Government can cite evidence and convince us that such is the case, I will be the first one to support the banning of tudung in schools.
On the contrary, allowing students to wear their headscarves to schools will expose schoolchildren to diverse cultural practices at a young age. By teaching them about differences in people, they will feel comfortable in the midst of diversity when they grow up. We can teach them that differences in our clothes and religion and language are good things, and that they should be embraced. This is what will enhance racial harmony.
Schools in developed countries are encouraging diversity in the classroom so that schoolchildren are exposed to different cultures and practices from a very young age. Ask any psychologist and she will tell you that the best way to remove prejudices and racial bigotry is to expose children to the various cultures when they are young. Why are we moving in the opposite direction?
The Government says that if it allows the girls to wear tudung, then there’ll be no end to what every one wants for their children. Let us be realistic. For almost 40 years, we have allowed Sikh boys to wear turbans and Christian children to wear crucifixes to school. Has there been an explosion of parents clamouring for their children to wear this and that type of dress to school? When I was in school I had schoolmates who wore their turbans to school and no one ever thought that because of that they, too, wanted to wear their own types of clothes to school
In an subsequent interview, he rubbished claims that he was speaking for Muslims to gain political mileage and shared why the he and SDP was speaking up on the issue
Why is it that I, a Chinese Christian, have chosen to speak up for four Muslim girls? There is a saying that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. The evil that I am talking about is the racial and religious differences that tear societies apart.
I know that my Malay and Muslim friends are afraid to speak out on this issue because every time they do, they are branded as racists and they attract the unwanted attention from the Government. And so many of them choose to keep quiet. But the problem doesn’t go away. Whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, it is there. We cannot pretend that it doesn’t exist. The danger is that if we ignore it, the problem will continue fester and, one day, explode in our faces.
I have been told that Malays feel deprived because the Government doesn’t allow Muslim women to wear the tudung in certain work places such as the police, immigration and in hospitals. This is an on-going concern in the Muslim community because it means that job opportunities for Muslim women are cut down. The non-Muslim communities are largely ignorant of this problem
The gist of Dr Chee’s submissions during the ‘tudung trial’ are encapsulated in the excerpt from the Court transcipt below
If you follow the prosecutions logic that just because I used these words, therefore I have spoken on religious or religious matters and therefore in breach of the conditions of exemption of the Speakers’ Corner then we, like computers, have fallen into the trap where black can be turned into white, right into wrong.
Yes, words such as tudung, turban, and crucifix were words I used in my speech. It is imperative, however, to ascertain the context in which the words were used and for what purpose that I used them.
The prosecution’s witness, Inspector Tan Mei Far, admitted on cross-examination that I had not made any disparaging remarks that would have caused enmity, hatred, hostility and ill-will about any racial or religious group. Not only did I not make any disparaging remarks about religion or any particular religious faith, I actually used these words to support the thesis of my speech which was to advocate equality, racial harmony, and social cohesion.
03-09-2021, 12:35 PM
(02-09-2021, 10:54 PM)5354 Wrote: [ -> ]Ladies and gentlemen this loser and his stooge forum456 are lying and spreading falsehood
That petty thief has not changed and will never change
He was fined because he did have have a permit to speak, he broke the law and was fined according to the law
Do not be fooled
Jac Lau the loser and failure in life as a Hypocrite again?
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03-09-2021, 02:16 PM
In February 2002, Dr Chee made a public speech on the sensitive religious issue of the tudung (the wearing of Islamic headscarf) at the Speaker’s Corner in Singapore, without the necessary permit. Such a topic would be highly sensitive in Singapore with its significant Muslim minority. Many Muslim women in Singapore wear the tudung. The police had advised Dr Chee to speak on the issue, at an indoor venue. The rules for the Speaker’s Corner barred speakers from raising any matter that might be offend racial or religious sensitivities. But Dr Chee deliberately flouted the rules and spoke on the subject in the Speaker’s Corner. There were some heated exchanges with the audience during his speech. He was convicted and fined S$3,000. He paid the fine, saying that he did not want to spend time in jail while preparing for a case.
He is more of a shit stirrer den anything else.. whoever agree with wat he did is potential shit stirrer too.
He is more of a shit stirrer den anything else.. whoever agree with wat he did is potential shit stirrer too.
03-09-2021, 09:53 PM
In investment sense, he shorted and was in the red for 2 decades before he turns to break even on paper...
03-09-2021, 09:55 PM
I actually dun agree with CSJ. I dun think tudung should be allowed, and so I disagree with what PAP is doing now.
03-09-2021, 10:02 PM
(03-09-2021, 09:55 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]I actually dun agree with CSJ. I dun think tudung should be allowed, and so I disagree with what PAP is doing now.
While I respect individual rights, I too agree with you that for uniform group, they must stick to the uniformity.
But am sure someone will ask why Sikhs got special treatment..