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(25-09-2021, 10:21 AM)dynamite Wrote: [ -> ]Yesterday got Malaysia data that show sinovac no good.

Chile shows good..

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aso hv to ask syonan why like that 

I cannot stop others from having their fixated mindset. I can only prep my own family to be safe, and so I resisted P and M so that I can get the vaccine I want (or at least what I think is most safe and useful to me and my family).

I need to think of how to ensure that my son gets to pick the vaccine of choice, his guardian that's me, must have the power to choose.

Interesting to get a sense of vaccine effectiveness comparison between Sinovac and Sinopharm and the other vaccines. 
Internet data searches are showing below. Please feel free to add on more relevant data if possible:

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Chile - 74%/78% (fully vaccinated/single dose)

Monitoring over time: allows estimate of duration of effect
SINOVAC
Regarding the Sinovac vaccine, effectiveness results 14 days after the second dose, among a cohort of 8,600,000 individuals over the age of 16 affiliated to FONASA (National Health Service) were:
58.49% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic COVID-19
86.02% effectiveness in preventing hospitalization
89.68% effectiveness in preventing ICU admission
86.38% effectiveness in preventing death

PFIZER-BIONTECH
Regarding the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, effectiveness results 14 days after the second dose, among a cohort of 4,500,000 individuals over the age of 16 affiliated to FONASA were:
87.69% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic COVID-19
97.15% effectiveness in preventing hospitalization
98.29% effectiveness in preventing ICU admission
100% effectiveness in preventing death
Source:
https://chilereports.cl/en/news/2021/08/...-and-death


SANTIAGO, Aug 5 (Reuters) - Chile will begin administering a booster shot to those already innoculated with Sinovac's COVID-19 vaccine, President Sebastian Pinera said on Thursday, after studies showed the initial two doses lose some effectiveness after several months.
Source:
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/c...021-08-05/
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Seychelles - 72%/78%
(Charts show Seychelles' case numbers remain steady. Deaths are not tending to zero, nor even significantly dropped)

President of Seychelles refutes doubts over Sinopharm's vaccine efficacy amid COVID-19 surge
Source: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1223207.shtml

Ever since China commenced its vaccine diplomacy programme, with president Xi Jinping pledging to make China's easy-to-store, state-developed vaccines available across the world, hundreds of millions of doses have been shipped to more than 80 countries worldwide.Most of the doses administered in countries such as Seychelles, Chile, Bahrain, and Mongolia, which have the highest rates of inoculated populations in the world, were developed by Chinese companies Sinovac and Sinopharm.
Source: https://www.thequint.com/coronavirus/out...rm-sinovac
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UAE - 83%/94%

DUBAI (Reuters) - A firm based in the United Arab Emirates will start commercial production of China’s Sinopharm vaccines in April.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...SKBN2BJ0H3

UAE's case numbers and deaths do indicate good reductions and remain steady at good numbers though may need caution in looking at UAE numbers as it is the manufacturing base for the vaccine:









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Cambodia - 65%78%
(charts do not show the vaccines are effective at all)



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For the below countries, their case and death trends unlikely explained by vaccination effectiveness as only 17% / 40% fully vaccinated in INDO and BRAZIL
Indonesia - 17%/31%
Brazil - 40%/70%

For China, think their their case and death trends cannot be used as proof their vaccines' effectiveness, for obvious reasons.

(25-09-2021, 04:52 PM)lylcnn Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting to get a sense of vaccine effectiveness comparison between Sinovac and Sinopharm and the other vaccines. 
Internet data searches are showing below. Please feel free to add on more relevant data if possible:

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Chile - 74%/78% (fully vaccinated/single dose)

Monitoring over time: allows estimate of duration of effect
SINOVAC
Regarding the Sinovac vaccine, effectiveness results 14 days after the second dose, among a cohort of 8,600,000 individuals over the age of 16 affiliated to FONASA (National Health Service) were:
58.49% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic COVID-19
86.02% effectiveness in preventing hospitalization
89.68% effectiveness in preventing ICU admission
86.38% effectiveness in preventing death

PFIZER-BIONTECH
Regarding the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, effectiveness results 14 days after the second dose, among a cohort of 4,500,000 individuals over the age of 16 affiliated to FONASA were:
87.69% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic COVID-19
97.15% effectiveness in preventing hospitalization
98.29% effectiveness in preventing ICU admission
100% effectiveness in preventing death

Pfizer is number 1 !

Chinese vaccines are inferior

(25-09-2021, 04:57 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]Pfizer is number 1 !

Chinese vaccines are inferior

Chile has proven you WRONG!

P. clinical effective rate is before the Delta variant. The other is the waning of the vaccine.

(25-09-2021, 04:59 PM)mikeloh Wrote: [ -> ]Chile has proven you WRONG!

you are crazy !

Sinovac’s Vaccine Found Inferior to Pfizer Shot in Chile Study

https://sgtalk.net/Thread-Sinovac%E2%80%...hile-Study

(25-09-2021, 05:02 PM)theold Wrote: [ -> ]P. clinical effective rate is before the Delta variant. The other is the waning of the vaccine.

The article indicates their summary comes from Feb to July 2021 case results. Their Pfizer numbers are results from 4.5M case.
Do you have other sources to share?

(25-09-2021, 05:01 PM)portaly Wrote: [ -> ]you are a crazy retarded mad dog!

If china's covid cases are fake, then many countries would already had reported that there are huge import cases from china entering their countries's borders.

1) The fact that no country had reported huge import china covid cases entering their countries's borders, already proved china's covid-infected cases are indeed very low.

2) Many PRCs now are not even wearing masks in public in china now. China's government is a authoritarian government. If china's current covid cases are now bad, do you think china's governemnt will allow their citizens to don't wear maks in public??! you try to don't wear mask in public in singapore and you will surely be arrested!

It is very obvious you this crazy retarded dog is a china-hater.

You are off tangent. We trust China zero data that is why we cant evaluate vaccine effetiveness

(25-09-2021, 05:08 PM)portaly Wrote: [ -> ]you are a crazy retarded racist China-hater mad scum dog!

The current situation in Both China and Indonesia now and compare to singapore's and israel's current situation already proved that the chinese vaccines are more effective than pfizer

INDO only 17% fully vaccinated so doubt drop in case numbers can be attributed to Sinovac....any data to show otherwise, eg: the vaccines are focus on certain region or groups with high cases?

(25-09-2021, 05:04 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]you are crazy !

Sinovac’s Vaccine Found Inferior to Pfizer Shot in Chile Study

https://sgtalk.net/Thread-Sinovac%E2%80%...hile-Study

 
Can you explain the "effectiveness" of Pfizer based on data from Israel? 

(25-09-2021, 05:17 PM)portaly Wrote: [ -> ]you are a crazy retard!

Then just focus on China.

you don't digress and take away the effectiveness of the chinese vaccines.

china's covid cases are now very low.

I go out for my dinner now.

I will @#%^& you later if you still want to argue

You are madman.
Go to IMH and take medicine

(25-09-2021, 05:11 PM)lylcnn Wrote: [ -> ]INDO only 17% fully vaccinated so doubt drop in case numbers can be attributed to Sinovac....any data to show otherwise, eg: the vaccines are focus on certain region or groups with high cases?

Indonesia like India went ahead distributing pet virus pills that led to massive drop in cases. That is also my question why authority here only focus on vaccine and not think about other options...

(25-09-2021, 07:00 PM)Sticw Wrote: [ -> ]Indonesia like India went ahead distributing pet virus pills that led to massive drop in cases. That is also my question why authority here only focus on vaccine and not think about other options...

Even if such pills can cure, very much doubt they reduce case numbers...unless any source/links show otherwise??

(25-09-2021, 07:12 PM)lylcnn Wrote: [ -> ]Even if such pills can cure, very much doubt they reduce case numbers...unless any source/links show otherwise??

Your Covaxin is better. It is going to be approved soon.

(25-09-2021, 07:12 PM)lylcnn Wrote: [ -> ]Even if such pills can cure, very much doubt they reduce case numbers...unless any source/links show otherwise??

You can chart Indonesia cases since July till now...

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asi...r-to-56757

If I'm not wrong the moment Indonesia started distributing the invec, the cases disappeared since July till now.

It simply shows that the pet med works yet every developed country say it doesn't work. The same control and containment worked in India then. But I never really keep track of covid cases much.

(25-09-2021, 10:26 PM)Sticw Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm not wrong the moment Indonesia started distributing the invec, the cases disappeared since July till now.

It simply shows that the pet med works yet every developed country say it doesn't work. The same control and containment worked in India then. But I never really keep track of covid cases much.

Tks for attaching article...though articleentioned med/vitamins are given to infected people. Implied they have absolutely nothing to do with the reducing case numbers, ie there're other causal factors.....

(25-09-2021, 08:44 AM)Levin Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how to answer. The question never occur to me until this old lady asked me yesterday.

Unlikely that China fudged its figures as that would mean massive number of deaths like USA and India which cannot be hidden nowadays.

things that work need not be very good right?

(25-09-2021, 12:35 PM)Levin Wrote: [ -> ]Good video. I am especially impressed by the drawings.

Fkg shit, ask u to watch the contents and u talk abt the drawings

Think u will never grow up