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SINGAPORE — It would have been wrong to treat all KTV operators who wanted to pivot to food & beverage (F&B) activities as "crooks", said Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam in Parliament on Monday (26 July). 

"It has been suggested: We should have assumed or known that KTVs will cheat, allow themselves to become semi-brothels, even though they were only allowed to provide F&B," said Shanmugam, who also noted a recent commentary that suggested the government was effectively "in cahoots" with the KTV joints.

The minister told the House, "We were neither in cahoots nor as naive."  
Responding to parliamentary queries on the enforcement actions taken against KTV joints, in light of the ongoing KTV COVID-19 cluster that numbered 237 cases as of Sunday, Shanmugam noted that such outlets, many of which cater to families, had been "crying out for help".
More than 400 such businesses converted to F&B, and more than 100 operators exited the industry. "We were prepared to let them try. We know there were some who had a dodgy reputation. Should we have said, no you cannot convert to F&B?"
And while it might have seemed common sensical to say some of the operators were "dodgy, doubtful", it was not as straightforward in the law, considering that they had "committed no offence" at that point, added Shanmugam. 

Multiple enforcement operations
Questions about enforcement have been raised in the wake of the KTV cluster, which is now the second largest infection cluster in Singapore since the start of the pandemic. The Jurong Fishery Port cluster, which has been linked to 792 cases, is currently the largest.

Earlier this month, Finance Minister Lawrence Wong, who co-chairs the multi-ministry taskforce on COVID-19, told reporters that enforcement remains a "cat and mouse" game, with illegal gatherings taking place in many other settings too.

On Monday, Shanmugam revealed that from Oct 2020 to 10 Jul 2021, police conducted 202 operations against pivoted outlets, as well as other outlets which were operating illegally. This translates to one police operation a day, on average.

These operations resulted in the detection of 58 Public Entertainment Act and Liquor Control Act infringements, 595 safe management measure (SMM) breaches and 142 arrests.
This "risk assessed approach", said Shanmugam, was generally working before the Delta variant came into the KTVs and created a cluster. He stressed that authorities decided to revert to the Phase 2 (Heightened Alert) restrictions because of the Jurong Fishery Port cluster, and not the KTV cluster. 
The minister noted, "Realistically, the people who are going to cheat, going to do illegal things, will do them anyway. They will use lounges, flats, warehouses, various places, it goes on, regardless of whether we allow the change to F&B."

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-neither-...14113.html
(28-07-2021, 06:31 AM)BigBossX Wrote: [ -> ]The minister told the House, "We were neither in cahoots nor as naive."  
Responding to parliamentary queries on the enforcement actions taken against KTV joints, in light of the ongoing KTV COVID-19 cluster that numbered 237 cases as of Sunday, Shanmugam noted that such outlets, many of which cater to families, had been "crying out for help".
More than 400 such businesses converted to F&B, and more than 100 operators exited the industry. "We were prepared to let them try. We know there were some who had a dodgy reputation. Should we have said, no you cannot convert to F&B?"
And while it might have seemed common sensical to say some of the operators were "dodgy, doubtful", it was not as straightforward in the law, considering that they had "committed no offence" at that point, added Shanmugam. 
Ah Shan is not as smart as he sounds, and he's obviously trying to divert the issue. No one is saying that KTVs cannot convert to F&B, but people are saying that more checks should have been conducted. Seems like Ah Shan is only good at twisting people's words?
Even you allow KTV to convert to F&B did your relevant dept ensure the premises are converted according to F,&B requirement? If not how to do accept the approval of conversion?
lol why kids cannot watch R rated movie?
same theory, order not in place, thats why things happen. don't try to find excuse.
(28-07-2021, 11:32 AM)Ernesto Wrote: [ -> ]Even you allow KTV to convert to F&B did your relevant dept ensure the premises are converted according to F,&B requirement? If not how to do accept the approval of convertion?



This rac**t has make mistakes after mistakes and yet blame others for the mistakes. He should quietly step down
While the minister is not wrong, earlier reporting kind of pushed the blame to the Vietnamese gals or commoners seeking pleasure. The netizen merely offered a balanced view highlighting that policy makers also attributed to the situation.

Indeed sin has been around and will continue to find it's way into any system.
There were random checks n fines on companies for flouting safety measures but not for ktvs pivot to fnb? 
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sin...e-15254828
(28-07-2021, 11:32 AM)Ernesto Wrote: [ -> ]Even you allow KTV to convert to F&B did your relevant dept ensure the premises are converted according to F,&B requirement? If not how to do accept the approval of conversion?

Good to see another familiar name.

YEP!  They always bulldoze and then leave the other half of their job undone. Where is checking, follow- up and enforcement?

Sounds like MOM, MOE . . . .all BAD Cuture.

Time for Grace Foo as Culture Minister to come out and apologize.
Not naive it's incompetence. During my time I would have sacked my ministers
(28-07-2021, 11:32 AM)Ernesto Wrote: [ -> ]Even you allow KTV to convert to F&B did your relevant dept ensure the premises are converted according to F,&B requirement? If not how to do accept the approval of conversion?

You got a good point there, the lounges needs to be renovated for F&B business. Big Grin
(29-07-2021, 02:28 PM)Harry Lee Wrote: [ -> ]Not naive it's incompetence. During my time I would have sacked my ministers

When are you coming back? Or you feel nothing is wrong now?