(20-02-2025, 06:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  This is good effort...this is exactly what your buddy lacks..
You see wa muhaimin can mean watcher/criterion/ final authority/ guidance/ supreme authority....these are different meanings

(20-02-2025, 08:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Luke is a friend of Paul.. travel companions 

(20-02-2025, 08:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Luke is a friend of Paul.. travel companions 

(21-02-2025, 06:05 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Luke was a doctor lah!  Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles lah!

(20-02-2025, 09:38 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/TFwr9qMrOSY?si=w9HL5LT-9o_Y-bSD

(20-02-2025, 09:22 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/krjrSDDiJqI?si=Pndzh9AP9p-to7Hi

(21-02-2025, 07:46 AM)Hope Wrote:  Who is Israel?
Who are the Israelites?
Who are the citizens of Israel?

(20-02-2025, 07:45 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Saul was his previous name lah! Saul was on his way to Damascus to arrest Christians then he saw a bright light and fell down and he became blind lah!  Then Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him lah!

(21-02-2025, 07:46 AM)Hope Wrote:  Who is Israel?
Who are the Israelites?
Who are the citizens of Israel?

(21-02-2025, 07:49 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  God's chosen people lah!

(20-02-2025, 10:39 PM)Hope Wrote:  English is new and a soft language.
Can not match with Semitic languages.

There is no English translation even for Salah/Solat.We just use the word prayer which isn’t the correct word.
Each Quran translator has chosen the best word for Muhaimin.However  you agree or not,The Quran supersedes all the previous scriptures.


“So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.”Quran 2:79



Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We “sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed before him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.”Quran 5:46

“So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious.”Quran 5:47

(21-02-2025, 07:42 AM)Hope Wrote:  Luke was an assistant to Paul.

From where did he get all the inspiration and authority to write the gospel ?

(21-02-2025, 09:52 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Bible is the supreme authority over the Quran. We do not need to go to the Quran for any verification but the Quran needs to go to the Bible in order to stand!

The Bible can be likened to an attractive man, while the Quran resembles a bashful woman who often gazes at him, seeking answers and love in her heart...

(21-02-2025, 07:56 AM)Hope Wrote:  Saul/Paul was a Jew  who converted to Christianity.

How sincere was he accepting Jesus and practising Christianity?

He prosecuted the followers of Jesus before becoming a Christian.What made Jesus to appear to him?

Where was Paul when Jesus was crucified?

(21-02-2025, 08:05 AM)Hope Wrote:  Who is Israel?Jacob

Who are Israelite?Descendent of Jacob, could be Jews, Christian , Muslim , other sect and atheist 
Jew who converted to Christianity ,Islam  and other sect are still Israelites as they are the descendants of Jacob.

Who are the citizens of Israel?anyone who has Israel citizenship.

(21-02-2025, 10:15 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The authors of all the Gospel were inspired by the Holy Spirit...Luke is like a detective or an investigator. He collects and ensemble the first hand accounts of Jesus

(22-02-2025, 07:34 AM)Hope Wrote:  How can the Bible have the authority over Quran ?

-Quran came only after Sufuh /Scroll ( given to Abraham)Torah/Tawrat ( given to Moses)Sabur / psalm ( given to David) Injeel/ Gospel ( given to Jesus)

-Quran and Muslim don’t follow/accept Old and New Testament which are called bible.

Does the bible have authority over Hindu and Buddhist books which came before your bibles?

(22-02-2025, 08:25 AM)Hope Wrote:  Luke and Paul never met Jesus. Both were Jews.What Made Holy Spirit to inspired them?😳

(22-02-2025, 08:25 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Good questions lah!  Jacob was named Israel when he wrestled with an angel of the LORD until daybreak lah! Saul/Paul wasn't mentioned yet until Acts 7 lah! Those who came out of Egypt were officially known as the Israelites lah!

(22-02-2025, 09:21 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a manwrestled with him till daybreak.25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man.26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[c] and he was limping because of his hip.32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.. Genesis 32:22-32

(22-02-2025, 07:34 AM)Hope Wrote:  How can the Bible have the authority over Quran ?

-Quran came only after Sufuh /Scroll ( given to Abraham)Torah/Tawrat ( given to Moses)Sabur / psalm ( given to David) Injeel/ Gospel ( given to Jesus)

-Quran and Muslim don’t follow/accept Old and New Testament which are called bible.

Does the bible have authority over Hindu and Buddhist books which came before your bibles?



Quran Chapter 98-(Al Bayyinah/Clear proof)

“The disbelievers from the People of the Book and the polytheists were not going to desist ˹from disbelief˺ until the clear proof came to them:

a messenger from Allah, reciting scrolls of ˹utmost˺ purity,

containing upright commandments.

It was not until this clear proof came to the People of the Book that they became divided ˹about his prophethood˺—

even though they were only commanded to worship Allah ˹alone˺ with sincere devotion to Him in all uprightness, establish prayer, and pay alms-tax. That is the upright Way.

Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings.

Indeed, those who believe and do good—they are the best of ˹all˺ beings.

Their reward with their Lord will be Gardens of Eternity, under which rivers flow, to stay there for ever and ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. This is ˹only˺ for those in awe of their Lord.”

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(22-02-2025, 08:30 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Allah instructed Muhammad to refer to earlier scriptures if he had doubts, so you tell me which source is the supreme authority?

How do you know how Jesus prayed, where he was born, or what language he spoke? You lack the answers! You must go to the Bible for answers because your Quran is inadequate, so which book do you regard as the ultimate authority?

(22-02-2025, 08:25 AM)Hope Wrote:  Luke and Paul never met Jesus. Both were Jews.What Made Holy Spirit to inspired them?😳


From google 👌

What was the relationship between Luke and Paul?

Paul's relationship with Luke was unique. He refers to Timothy and Titus as sons (1 Timothy 1:18; Titus 1:4). But Luke is a friend, beloved and loyal. He is the other half of “we.” He alone remains.


Which disciple never met Jesus?

Paul

Self-appointed apostle of Jesus, whom he never met, Paul was born Saul in Tarsus and was probably a Roman citizen. He was definitely a devout Jew, and among those who persecuted the early followers of Jesus for breaking Jewish law.



What was Luke's relationship with Jesus?

Luke never met Jesus.


Who wrote the Gospel of Luke?

The traditional view is that the Gospel of Luke and Acts were written by the physician Luke, a companion of Paul. Many scholars believe him to be a Gentile Christian, though some scholars think Luke was a Hellenic Jew. 
many modern scholars have expressed doubt that the author of Luke-Acts was the physician Luke

Why was Jesus killed in Luke?

According to Luke, Jesus was crucified as a potential threat to Rome. Luke portrays Jerusalem's Jewish leadership as instrumental in Jesus' execution.

(22-02-2025, 08:35 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes, they have never met Jesus face to face. The truth is what The Holy Spirit wanted Luke to find out!

(22-02-2025, 09:21 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a manwrestled with him till daybreak.25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man.26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[c] and he was limping because of his hip.32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.. Genesis 32:22-32

(22-02-2025, 09:55 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Thank you lah, bro!  You have quoted the passage of Scripture lah!

(22-02-2025, 12:37 PM)Hope Wrote:  Quran no where mentioned ref to old scriptures.

As per Quran, 
when the Quran came, it superseded all previous scriptures.
When the injeel ( Gospel given to Jesus)came, it superseded all previous scriptures.

If you still want to follow Injeel , Quran say Allah will judge you based only on Injeel given to Jesus on the judgement day , Not the New Testament you are holding.

So,You should find the Injeel in Aramaic.

😂Do not tell that Allah has no authority to give the judgment 👍

(22-02-2025, 12:37 PM)Hope Wrote:  Quran no where mentioned ref to old scriptures.

As per Quran, 
when the Quran came, it superseded all previous scriptures.
When the injeel ( Gospel given to Jesus)came, it superseded all previous scriptures.

If you still want to follow Injeel , Quran say Allah will judge you based only on Injeel given to Jesus on the judgement day , Not the New Testament you are holding.

So,You should find the Injeel in Aramaic.

😂Do not tell that Allah has no authority to give the judgment 👍

(22-02-2025, 02:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Where is the Injeel? The Christians have the OT and NT during Muhammad’s time...no one or no reports of any new revelation or book....Did Allah lie? He said He revealed the Gospel to Jesus..so according to you, what is the injeel? If there is another different book...we would have known
The Injeel is the NT..

(22-02-2025, 02:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Quran says that God promises to preserve the Remembrance in Surah 15, Verse 9. Also we see that the Torah and Gospel were referred to as Remembrance and this is supported by appealing to Surah 16:43, 21:7, 21:48, 21:105 and 40:53-54.

If you say that the Gospel was lost,then your Allah has failed to live up to His promise of preserving the Gospel

(23-02-2025, 12:39 AM)Hope Wrote:  I have listed all your 27 books. Which is the gospel of Jesus? Quran says Allah gave the Injeel ( Gospel)to Jesus.As per below list your gospel are “According “ those writers, Not according to Jesus.
Why should Allah lie? Allah gave only one book to Jesus, Not 27!
Should Allah acknowledge those letters?

Gospel according to Matthew
Gospel according to Mark
Gospel according to Luke
Gospel according to John
Acts of the Apostles
Letter of Paul to the Roman
Letters of Paul to the Corinthian I, ii
Letter of Paul to the Galatians
Letter of Paul to the Ephesians 
Letter of Paul to the Philippians 
Letter of Paul to the Colossians 
Letter of Paul to the Thessalonians I,ii,iii
Letter of Paul to Timothy I,ii
Letter of Paul to Titus
Letter of Paul to Philemon 
Letter to the Hebrews
Letter of James
Letter of Peter I,ii
Letter of John I,ii,iii
Letter of Jude
Revelation to John

New Testament is not from Allah ✌️or ANY OTHER GOD who govern this universe.✌️✌️

“So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.”Quran 2:79

“There are some among them who distort the Book with their tongues to make you think this ˹distortion˺ is from the Book—but it is not what the Book says. They say, “It is from Allah”—but it is not from Allah. And ˹so˺ they attribute lies to Allah knowingly.”Quran 3:78

(23-02-2025, 05:35 AM)Hope Wrote:  I have pasted here all those verses you have mentioned.
In which verse has Allah told he would preserve Torah or Gospel?


“It is certainly We Who have revealed the Reminder, and it is certainly We Who will preserve it.”Quran 15:9

“We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺.”Quran 16:43


“We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺.”Quran 21:7

“Indeed, We granted Moses and Aaron the decisive authority—a light and a reminder for the righteous’”Quran 21:48

“Surely, following the ˹heavenly˺ Record, We decreed in the Scriptures: “My righteous servants shall inherit the land.”Quran 21:105

And indeed, We gave Moses ˹true˺ guidance, and made the Children of Israel inherit the Scripture—

a guide and a reminder to people of reason.”

Quran 40:53-54

no one can change Allah's words. The Torah and Gospel were Allah's words. Since they couldn't have changed, Islam testifies to the incorruptibility of the Bible's text

(23-02-2025, 09:07 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Allah gave one book to Jesus? so where is the book? Allah is not powerful to protect his book! Allah ask you to believe in a lost book that He cannot protect? Remember Allah is all knowing...Don tell me He doesn't know if the Gospel will be lost? If it will be lost, it makes no sense for Him to send it to Jesus...

(23-02-2025, 09:13 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The reminder and remembrance is the same meaning...just like muhaimin can have many meanings...you see how 1 Arabic word can have several meanings?

Surah 6:115 and 18:27 state that no one can change Allah's words. The Torah and Gospel were Allah's words. Since they couldn't have changed, Islam testifies to the incorruptibility of the Bible's text