(01-06-2025, 09:15 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  1 Peter 4:16 (NIV) states, "However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name

If you believe in Christ as your lord and savior, get baptise and you are a christian

(01-06-2025, 09:51 AM)Hope Wrote:  Those disciples were Muslims.
Muslim means submitting to Allah without associating partners to him


“When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.”Quran 3:52

(01-06-2025, 10:10 AM)Hope Wrote:  Are you an Anglican?

Why don’t you trust the Gospel of Peter?

Jesus or father in the heaven didn’t name you as Christian.It is the Peter calling you as Christian.

(01-06-2025, 08:29 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Calm down. We can discuss rationally and with civility.

We only say that because our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم fits the description of the one to come after Jesus pbuh. Truly, we don't know if the author of the book of John heard it right from Jesus or if he embellished or distorted the words of Jesus. Wallahu 'alam.

Your interpretation of the one to come after Jesus doesn't match reality. If you have the Holy Spirit in you, how come you don't know that Paul was paraphrasing Isaiah? How come there are many denominations within Christendom with different understandings of the religion and the theology? How come the Holy Spirit didn't guide all the Christians on the same path?

(01-06-2025, 10:49 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Peace be upon you was found in the Bible n the Koran was copied from the Bible
Means the moslems suppose to be called Christians
We are not moslems !

(01-06-2025, 11:10 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The moslems are Christians 

(01-06-2025, 10:10 AM)Hope Wrote:  Are you an Anglican?

Why don’t you trust the Gospel of Peter?

Jesus or father in the heaven didn’t name you as Christian.It is the Peter calling you as Christian.

(01-06-2025, 11:08 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I will tell you one reason why it cannot be Muhammad...because Allah did not ask you to believe in the NT ...it is not one of Allah's revealed books 

If you believe that Muhammad fits the description of the one to come after Jesus... then you are submitting to the truth of the NT ...I hereby proclaim you as a Kafir once again 

(01-06-2025, 10:49 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Peace be upon you was found in the Bible n the Koran was copied from the Bible
Means the moslems suppose to be called Christians
We are not moslems !

(01-06-2025, 11:07 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Shirk is an unforgivable sin if one dies without repenting from it: Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him in worship, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin

(01-06-2025, 11:17 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  q3:55
Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Can all these happen without the Injil?

The islamic dilemma continues

(01-06-2025, 11:31 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I never said I submit to the NT. I only submit to the one true God.

And yes, the NT is not a revelation. But, does it contain some truth? Yes. How do I know? Because the Quran is our supreme authority and if the information in the NT matches the Quran, we can say it is true. 

If I see a poster on the wall of Harvard university and it has a statement that matches what is in the Quran, I will say that statement in that poster is true, even though the poster is not a revelation from God.

(01-06-2025, 11:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The NT is about the Trinity...you going to the NT to validate your one true God?

(01-06-2025, 11:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The NT contains some truth?
Since when Allah taught you to pick and choose which verses to believe?

(01-06-2025, 11:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Quran is the supreme authority and if the NT matches the Quran..then it is the truth...
We do not need to go to the Quran because it makes alot of claims which cannot substantiate...What we need to know about Jesus can be found in the NT...without the Bible.. .you moslems have absolutely no knowledge of Jesus...

(01-06-2025, 11:38 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Are Christians like you the followers of Jesus? Absolutely NOT.

The dilemma only exist in your head.

(01-06-2025, 11:51 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Feel free to disbelieve what we believe.

I can say with confidence that the Christians have the WRONG idea about Jesus. Believing that Jesus is God Almighty is wrong on every level. Wanna discuss that?

(01-06-2025, 11:51 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  How can the Quran be 100% reliable when Allah and Muhammad affirmed the Injil while you believed it was never recorded...

You make Allah ridiculous when you said it is in your creed to believe in the Injil that you believed was never in circulation....hey Allah can't keep his own promise? Allah is prone to mistakes? He wills for the Injil to be lost and he smiles sheepishly at the Christians from above and lamented:" sorry amigos, it is all but a prank"

The Islamic dilemma continues once more 

(01-06-2025, 11:54 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You are restricting the capabilities of God when you said he cannot be something else...

(01-06-2025, 11:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran and our Prophet confirm that Jesus received revelation from Allah, ie the Injeel. Don't impose your mistaken ideas on us.

We are never told to believe in your Bible or more precisely, your Gospels.

And because I have explained all these to you in detail and you are still making the same erroneous statements about the Quran, I can now say you are a liar.

The dilemma only exist in your head.

(01-06-2025, 12:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  We were reading the Injil back then and Allah affirms that it is with the christians... Muhammad goes on to say that let the people of the books be judge by their own books...if the christians do not have the injil...then how are they judge?

You contradict everything the Quran says ..you are a kafir...

The Islamic dilemma continues

(01-06-2025, 12:07 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  U are an anti christ if you refuse
To Obey n believe Jesus is the Saviour

The will of the Father is to believe in Jesus Christ. The Father's will is not about what we are doing, but being obedient to his word, which is to believe in Jesus and thus receive the free gift of eternal life. That is the will of the Father.

(01-06-2025, 12:05 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Okay. I will give you an example.

Did the book of Leviticus contain the punishment for adultery? Yes. Is it a command from God? Yes. So the Jews were told to punish their adulterers according to Leviticus. 

But does that mean all of the Bible is true? No. How do we know that? Because Allah says they have distorted their books. Your own scholars confirm the corruption.

The dilemma only exist in your head.

(01-06-2025, 12:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I'll be going on a journey soon, and for the next few days.