(08-07-2025, 07:44 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran is Allah's word, verbatim.

(08-07-2025, 07:47 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So who instructed Muhammad? 

(08-07-2025, 07:48 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The instructions are in the Quran.

The Quran is from Allah.

(08-07-2025, 07:50 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  It is a simple question...who instructed Muhammad to check with previous scriptures? the Quran or Allah?

(08-07-2025, 07:40 AM)Hope Wrote:  https://youtube.com/shorts/m7l72L_1Glo?si=abq-63hHushcgMJt

(08-07-2025, 07:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Good morning Habibi .where is lily Jay videos 

(08-07-2025, 07:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  There you go again, repeating a lie.

There is no such instruction.

(08-07-2025, 08:06 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Let us go to another translation by yusuf Ali..so this time who instructed Muhammad?

Specifically, Surah Yunus (10:94) states: "So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)."

(08-07-2025, 08:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The instructions are found in the Quran. The Quran is from Allah. It follows that the instructions are from Allah. That is already a given. Why do you need to ask for confirmation?

Have you realized that you told a lie?

(08-07-2025, 08:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If the instructions are from Allah then it is Allah...the Quran is a speech from Allah! Who is giving the speech? Allah! Can the Quran over ride Allah's words? No! So you are a kufir..you don even know Islam

(08-07-2025, 08:31 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I'm not sure what you're saying. I've already given you the confirmation that the Quran is from Allah, ergo any instructions in the Quran is from Allah.

But you lied about the instruction of verse 10:94.

(08-07-2025, 06:26 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Jesus's disciple, Peter, called Paul his enemy because Peter disagreed with Paul's teachings.

You said Peter knows. So, in the conflict between Peter and Paul, why do you follow Paul instead of the disciple who knows?

(08-07-2025, 08:44 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  In Islamic belief, Muhammad was instructed to follow the Injil (Gospel) by Allah, through the angel Gabriel (Jibril). The Quran, which Muslims believe was revealed to Muhammad, also refers to the Injil as a holy book revealed to Jesus (Isa).

(08-07-2025, 07:59 AM)Hope Wrote:  Do not argue/ post today.

Instead ,please spend your time to listen to the videos of this Ex pastor .

He is not promoting Islam.He is an atheist now.

(08-07-2025, 08:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  This is your accusation 

"So you were lying earlier when you said Allah instructed our Prophet to check with the previous scriptures."

This is the verse

The Quran (10:94) instructs Muhammad to ask those who read the scriptures before him (Jews and Christians) if he has any doubts about what was revealed to him.

I know moslems are a confusing lot ..so what did I lie?

(08-07-2025, 08:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Allah says to check with the Israelites, like Abdullah bin Salam, who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood.

You lied when you said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures, making it look as though those scriptures have some authority.

(08-07-2025, 09:01 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  In Islamic belief, Muhammad was instructed to follow the Injil (Gospel) by Allah, through the angel Gabriel (Jibril). The Quran, which Muslims believe was revealed to Muhammad, also refers to the Injil as a holy book revealed to Jesus (Isa).

(08-07-2025, 07:39 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The 4 Gospels contain words attributed to Jesus, ergo the Gospels. Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم already said that we can neither believe nor disbelieve what you have in the Gospels. We do not know if it is really the words of Jesus. Even you cannot be sure if Mark or Matthew contains the words of Jesus.

(08-07-2025, 08:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Allah says to check with the Israelites, like Abdullah bin Salam, who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood.

You lied when you said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures, making it look as though those scriptures have some authority.

(08-07-2025, 09:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Where in the Quran did Allah ask Muhammad to check with Salaam?

It's not false for Muhammad to consult previous scriptures. Since he was illiterate, he would need to rely on others who could read the texts to verify them....that's simply common sense, isn't it?

So you cannot say it is a lie...you can simply say that the message is not clear

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(08-07-2025, 09:01 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That's a lie.

(08-07-2025, 09:09 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Show me from your Quran that Allah/Quran mentioned that the Injil and Torah were corrupted and that moslems should not believe in it...

Show me Allah/Quran say not to believe in the 4 Islamic books

(08-07-2025, 09:18 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You said Allah instructs our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures. That is a lie.

Allah tells our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the people who knew about the prophecy of his prophethood. An example of such person is Abdullah bin Salam.

Christians like you will want to twist it and make it look like their scriptures have some legitimacy with us.

(08-07-2025, 09:19 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  They say the Injil has been altered or distorted over time..you said the injil was never recorded..

So who is lying?

(08-07-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hello...I have heard about this new interpretation of yours before about consulting Salam and the prophecy of Muhammad's prophethood...

The problem is you never use this argument against me before..I believe you only knew it lately...

Now show me from your Quran that Allah ask Muhammad to check with Salaam or those people of the books who believe in his prophethood..

(08-07-2025, 09:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Many times I've repeated this.

We are to believe Allah sends revelations to previous messengers, like Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them. 

Allah tells us that people of the book have tampered with the scriptures, as in verse 2:79. 

Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم instructs us to neither believe nor disbelieve the previous scriptures.

(08-07-2025, 09:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Quran 2:79
So woe1 to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Tafsir of Quran 2:79 discusses the severe condemnation of those who alter the scriptures and attribute their own fabrications to God for worldly gain. It highlights the hypocrisy of people who write falsehoods with their own hands and then claim it is from God to gain a small price. This act is considered a great sin, deserving of woe and condemnation. 

Hello..where can i find the torah and the gospel being mentioned?

You are lying if you yourself cannot find ..the Quran is clear and fully detailed isnt it