(15-12-2021, 06:12 PM)Sticw Wrote:  I agree that the SPF effort and reputation is a huge damage. She then detonated the WP also. Then we are wasting even more time and money with COP. Only to find out that she's actually a spy from country x... This last statement is just a joke. But the entire sg system got played out by one RK episode...

I thought I read that PS reviewed and put the word "substantiate" to her original speech? She said she doesn't understand it, then why she did not bother to check with PS? And she went on with her speech and added vinegar and salt that was not cleared?

But the key discussion now at COP is on why the WP know about the lie earlier and did nothing to address it. 

I don't agree with PS line of argument that because he does not know how much effort goes into checking on case record, therefore he doesn't think it affected the SPF greatly. This kind of argument is like RK saying she doesn't understand what he meant with the word "substantiate".

(15-12-2021, 06:08 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Ha! So now you agreed that a COP shouldn't be called.

I don't think the crux of the matter is on whether VB should clarify immediately or not, since he doesn't even know the law well enough, nor bother to check, perhaps thinking that it's not such a big deal. If you want to be strict about it, then you might as well point the finger at Ah Shan why he didn't clarify at the first instance, since he's the law minister and should know the law well.

You're comparing something that is trivial to something that is not.

(15-12-2021, 06:00 PM)Sticw Wrote:  OK we can't do this neatly as there's element of hindsight here. But say I'm PS, and RK revealed to me that she lied. And then she shared further that she was the victim and there was no police case.

What I would do, I'm assuming it can be done, is that I will call for a private meeting with Parliament head, PM Lee and whoever else that is required. I will have RK there to admit that she lied about the police case but also informed that she was the victim then. Then see how to address it. Of course, RK must be comfortable to reveal to this bigger group (which is the strange part to me that she is now revealing to entire world, not just Singapore).

(15-12-2021, 06:20 PM)*天哥* Wrote:  Good thinking.

I dun suspect she is a spy but it did cross my mind she wanted revenge...just assuming.

(15-12-2021, 06:22 PM)RichDad Wrote:  I don't have any opinion on COP being called. Not my call anyway, lol.

Trivial? VB said he has sleepless nights over it.  This is definitely not a trivial matter because it involved trust in a minister. What a minister said cannot be seen as BS or falsehood.

Yes, I wanted to say Shan should inform VB straight away and not act blur. He wants to sabo VB maybe.

Just saying the whole finger pointing act is laughable lah because ET is shooting his own foot. Whether VB lied or not (we take it that he didn't), they should immediately clarify the falsehood.

If not, don't throw stones...

(15-12-2021, 06:12 PM)Sticw Wrote:  I agree that the SPF effort and reputation is a huge damage. She then detonated the WP also. Then we are wasting even more time and money with COP. Only to find out that she's actually a spy from country x... This last statement is just a joke. But the entire sg system got played out by one RK episode...

I thought I read that PS reviewed and put the word "substantiate" to her original speech? She said she doesn't understand it, then why she did not bother to check with PS? And she went on with her speech and added vinegar and salt that was not cleared?

But the key discussion now at COP is on why the WP know about the lie earlier and did nothing to address it. 

I don't agree with PS line of argument that because he does not know how much effort goes into checking on case record, therefore he doesn't think it affected the SPF greatly. This kind of argument is like RK saying she doesn't understand what he meant with the word "substantiate".

(15-12-2021, 06:26 PM)Sticw Wrote:  I suspect there's lots of bad blood in WP. 

Very hard to run a party lah. Parties these days lagi harder cos people are not as pure in their heart as those in the 1950s and 60s. Too many temptation in this evil world today.

The world and people lose their innocence long ago..

Just the other day I told my boss I'm only interested in getting clear objectives and then I go get things done. Then she told me, they not only want that but also how things get done whether it's worded silky and everything nice etc..

I think I'm not for this world. Lol

Too complicated humans are. Should just reset.

(15-12-2021, 06:27 PM)Sticw Wrote:  Vivian what case??

(15-12-2021, 06:22 PM)RichDad Wrote:  I don't have any opinion on COP being called. Not my call anyway, lol.

Trivial? VB said he has sleepless nights over it.  This is definitely not a trivial matter because it involved trust in a minister. What a minister said cannot be seen as BS or falsehood.

Yes, I wanted to say Shan should inform VB straight away and not act blur. He wants to sabo VB maybe.

Just saying the whole finger pointing act is laughable lah because ET is shooting his own foot. Whether VB lied or not (we take it that he didn't), they should immediately clarify the falsehood.

If not, don't throw stones...

(15-12-2021, 06:49 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Just want to clarify that when I said trivial, I meant that whatever VB said did not really cause much damage, since no matter what, people have to (or forced to) use TT anyway. Whether it can really be used by by the SPF or not is immaterial.

But to lie in a parliament is seen as a much more grave matter.

(15-12-2021, 06:22 PM)debono Wrote:  RK wanted to keep the secret about her own sexual assault, which her parents are not aware of.  But she had done a very silly thing to fabricate a story about a local girl being the victim of a sexual assault to the police.  In hindsight she should not have brought out the girl's sexual assault which is to cover her own sexual assault which had taken place in UK when she was 18-years-old...Now the lie had been manifested and she has no choice but to reveal the truth to all people and those around the world...  

(15-12-2021, 07:40 PM)Gemstar Wrote:  ET don’t even fit-in the COP. He knows not in what are his questions, totally lost track and confused. Is just like slithering round the bush looking for loop holes, to catch unwary victims by surprise.  Many times, he keep intercepting PS and Faisal at the midst of conversations, and yet claimed the other way round. Really very rude and ill-mannered.

(15-12-2021, 07:40 PM)Gemstar Wrote:  ET don’t even fit-in the COP. He knows not in what are his questions, totally lost track and confused. Is just like slithering round the bush looking for loop holes, to catch unwary victims by surprise.  Many times, he keep intercepting PS and Faisal at the midst of conversations, and yet claimed the other way round. Really very rude and ill-mannered.

(15-12-2021, 09:25 PM)dynamite Wrote:  All three are summoned again next week?

(15-12-2021, 09:35 PM)RichDad Wrote:  I posted the latest video above.... 15 Dec. PS called up again. But this time, very courteous from both sides.

(15-12-2021, 09:37 PM)debono Wrote:  Both parties must have been told off by Chairman, Tan Chuan Jin.....

(15-12-2021, 10:29 PM)klat Wrote:  No lah, Tan CJ is put there for show only. Dare not intervene even it is out of point and time wasting.

(15-12-2021, 09:00 PM)klat Wrote:  Keep on looking at the note and keep on repeating the notes.

What a bore and what a waste of human time and costs

(15-12-2021, 10:35 PM)debono Wrote:  My view is that Chairman Tan CJ controlled the COP quite well, but there is a hint of uneven playing field as he is after all from the ruling party.......

(15-12-2021, 10:29 PM)klat Wrote:  No lah, Tan CJ is put there for show only. Dare not intervene even it is out of point and time wasting. In football, the referee will give a yelow card for time wasting.
This one, dare not issue a yellow card to ET