(13-04-2024, 02:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I don wish to insult your intelligences..twice you have acted stupiak when the verses were there...you still tell me the sources are not credible...I will tell you the quran is not credible.,,

Surah 3:151
Surah 9:5:

(13-04-2024, 03:09 PM)Hope Wrote:  Our God didn’t have offspring(sons)

(13-04-2024, 01:55 PM)Oyk Wrote:  And this is all true because it's written in your Quran?  I am supposed to believe your Quran when you cannot answer PP's question about killing and tried to evade?  Btw, you did not even attempt to answer his question about whom Allah was praying to...maybe you need KILLChoy to come to your rescue lorh.  

(13-04-2024, 03:18 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You foreigner or pink ic?

(13-04-2024, 03:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You got your translation of the Quranic verse from non-Muslims. Does it give you the message correctly? No, absolutely not. Just look at the words in the parenthesis. They put it there.

If the Quran says we are to kill non-believers at all times, then there would be no more non-believers around, or no more Muslims. That is because Muslims obey the Quran 100%.

(13-04-2024, 03:22 PM)Hope Wrote:  Pink IC. Do you want to meet me and check tomorrow?Give me your home address.

(13-04-2024, 03:20 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  No, I am not asking you to believe in the Quran. I am telling you about our faith, what is known as apologetics.

Already answered him, almost immediately.

(13-04-2024, 12:49 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  So can stone or cannot stone? If can stone, let's do it!

(13-04-2024, 03:22 PM)Hope Wrote:  Pink IC. Do you want to meet me and check tomorrow?Give me your home address.

(13-04-2024, 03:44 PM)Oyk Wrote:  What rewards await Muslim women?

(13-04-2024, 02:45 PM)RichDad Wrote:  Li Nan xing,  chew chor meng, rayson tan are good actors. Unfortunately they went thru bad patches n turned to religion.  They were saved by their own mind power and belief but thought Jesus saved them. Why would Jesus save them only and forsake so many other believers?

This pastor is despicable to take advantage of their plight n stories.

(13-04-2024, 03:51 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Aiyo, why dun you give your home addess then we go and look for you instead 

(12-04-2024, 01:38 PM)Hope Wrote:  Does Islam has many versions of  Quran?
Does Islam has many denominations?
Does Islam has many sectors?
Is Islam allowing human to change the original religion?
Does Islam has mosques based on race,language and nationality?

Jesus couldn’t protect his teachings, but he want to appear someone’s dream 😂Hilarious 😂

He should have appeared on those who changed his teachings.

(13-04-2024, 03:50 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  I'm still waiting for a reply from the knowledgeable christians and muslims here. So is stoning the adulterer ok or not ok?

OT said stone, but Jesus said throw stone first see if you are a sinner yourself.

(13-04-2024, 03:24 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  No..the verses are from the quran..if there is any misunderstanding in how it was misinterpreted then you sexplain..it is as simple as that..

So why are you not following the quran?  The verses are clear. Kill those who disbelieve. If you don do so...you are just cherry pickings and not following the teachings at all...

There is nothing wrong in disagreeing....
Only 1 person who would 100% agree with the bible is preacher Fred Phelps

(13-04-2024, 04:13 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Read this OYK.

No, there are no verses that order me to kill those who don't believe in Islam or those of other faiths. You cited 9:5, which tells us that it was God who permitted the prophet to go to war with a specific group of people, the polytheists of Makkah of the 7th century. Why? Because they broke the peace agreement by aggression. Want to know more? Please read from any credible historians, like Karen Armstrong or Martin Lings.

So there, it is not what you think, right?

(13-04-2024, 04:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  But you never refute 3:151

9:5
9:29
9:33
9:73
9:123

Sahih Muslim 1:30
"The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Treat your women like slaves, preaches violence and intimidation ...
Aiya...,so depressing the religion!

(13-04-2024, 12:53 PM)Goldmine Wrote:  Why debate and argue so deeply for what? What's the point? If you think the religion is good  just follow. Why so over zealeous?

(13-04-2024, 04:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Let's deal with one first. Don't go and throw red herrings at me and expect me to entertain every one of them. I have work I'm doing now.

Will you now admit you're wrong to think verse 9:5 commands me to kill disbelievers?

(13-04-2024, 04:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  But you never refute 3:151

9:5
9:29
9:33
9:73
9:123

Sahih Muslim 1:30
"The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Treat your women like slaves, preaches violence and intimidation ...
Aiya...,so depressing the religion!

(13-04-2024, 04:58 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Don put words in my mouth.. Read my post properly...where did I say commands you to kill disbelievers..

(13-04-2024, 03:24 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So why are you not following the quran?  The verses are clear. Kill those who disbelieve. If you don do so...you are just cherry pickings and not following the teachings at all...

(13-04-2024, 05:07 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Here, you said this. 

(13-04-2024, 05:07 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Here, you said this. 

(13-04-2024, 03:55 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Anything they want. Whatever they desire. Any age they choose. 

I have no idea what women want.

And there will be no more rules which means no more transgression. I'll say this as a metaphor; they can eat all the cupcakes they want and won't go fat.

(13-04-2024, 04:58 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Don put words in my mouth.. Read my post properly...where did I say commands you to kill disbelievers..

Why should I admit...you did not even show me how you interprete that verse..

9:5] But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Not clear enough?

(13-04-2024, 05:15 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I've explained it to you clearly. This verse was revealed to the prophet at a time when there was a peace treaty with the pagans of Makkah in the 7th century, permitting him to go to war with them as soon as the sacred months were over, which means a specific date. The pagans of Makkah in the 7th century were polytheists. The "polytheists" in that verse were referring specifically to them. 

This is a historical event, well recorded. There are plenty of scholarships referring to that specific event. I've given you 2 different historians you can look up for reference.

(13-04-2024, 05:15 PM)Oyk Wrote:  Are you joking or you don't know because the Quran didn't say?

(13-04-2024, 04:57 PM)Hope Wrote:  You must be a catholic!

Yes. Without Mary, No Jesus, No Cruxi -Fiction.No script from Roman.

Bible say sprit had sex with Mary .Quran is denying.

Bible say Mary gave birth in a cow stable.
Quran mentions a honourable birth

Quran 19:16 “And mention in the Book ˹O Prophet, the story of˺ Mary when she withdrew from her family to a place in the east,”

Quran 19:17”screening herself off from them. Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed”

Quran 19:18”She appealed, “I truly seek refuge in the Most Compassionate from you! ˹So leave me alone˺ if you are God-fearing.”

Quran 19:19”He responded, “I am only a messenger from your Lord, ˹sent˺to bless you with a pure son.”

Quran 19:20”She wondered, “How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste?”

Quran 19:21”He replied, “So will it be! Your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.’ It is a matter ˹already˺ decreed.”

Quran 19:22”So she conceived him and withdrew with him to a remote place”

Quran 19:23”Then the pains of labour drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She cried, “Alas! I wish I had died before this, and was a thing long forgotten!”

Quran 19:24 “So a voice1 reassured her from below her, “Do not grieve! Your Lord has provided a stream at your feet”

Quran 19:25”And shake the trunk of this palm tree towards you, it will drop fresh, ripe dates upon you”

Quran 19:26 “So eat and drink, and put your heart at ease. But if you see any of the people, say, ‘I have vowed silence1 to the Most Compassionate, so I am not talking to anyone today.’”

Quran 19:27”Then she returned to her people, carrying him. They said ˹in shock˺, “O Mary! You have certainly done a horrible thing!”

(13-04-2024, 05:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I already told you that I don need a reply from you....it was violence and intimidation ..
I highlighted!