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Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/china-evergrande-explainer-1.6179508
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/09/17/business/corporate-business/china-evergrande-scenarios/
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
https://www.reuters.com/article/china-evergrande-debt-contagion-idCNL4N2QG1T9
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - Sharexchange - 20-09-2021
Crash n burn
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
The problem is see is not crash or contagion.
For the short term oriented markets once the China govt steps in all these fears will vanish overnight
Main problem is all the structural issues in China that drags it's economy.
The demographics ageing, real estate over investment, etc looks just like Japan in 1989. ..and led to long period of stagnation. Japan started stagnating as a high income nation. China is about same income as Malaysia.
Japan was ahead of US in many areas ...then went into stagnation.
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - p1acebo - 20-09-2021
How's your endowus funds for S&P 500 doing?
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - ysh02 - 20-09-2021
Why got to do with Ping Ann leh...You mean share holders might "Jump" and "claim" insurance money ?
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
(20-09-2021, 08:38 AM)ysh02 Wrote: Why got to do with Ping Ann leh...You mean share holders might "Jump" and "claim" insurance money ?
Evergrande has bonds and debt owed to 130 banks in China.
This will cause losses ...Ping Ann may be holding alot of property related bonds.
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - singlon - 20-09-2021
Evergrande is now paying with property.
Every day this week is intense with market closure election
pay to play in the quadtrillion derivative markets
things can get bad very quickly.
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - ysh02 - 20-09-2021
Like this now cannot run since HK closed for festival mood three days ?
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - singlon - 20-09-2021
Ahead is the gravy train Yellen debt hike raise
But if the German get serious on the Nuremburg codes violations
all pay to play players on their own.
Already Merkel and Suga bail out fearing for their necks.
Guilty Death
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - A2Z - 20-09-2021
Here we see HDB flats cross $1m and everything real estate just pop up in a straight line up. Yet there is no cooling measures. Is it that our govt is just waiting for the inevitable to happen ie the contagion effects? Better stay cash until dust settles down.
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - p1acebo - 20-09-2021
Can tell that TS is very short in the market
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - A2Z - 20-09-2021
Long long ago my guru told me that the Year of Tiger is a ferocious animal, showed me charts in those years how the economy esp property kaput. Next year is the tiger year. will there be any repeats?
RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
Ping An has fallen more than 50%...7% today.
Reminds me of the US financial crisis spread from first Bear Stearns ...the later AIA....
The China side there is one segment of bond called the high interest developer junk bonds...which is quite large and resembles sub prime.
This looks like early innings if China govt is not going to act as the saga unfold.
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RE: Evergrande spark contagion fear in China ...Ping An stockc falls - sgbuffett - 20-09-2021
Risk of China govt losing control of situation is low.
But they may allow more pain in the market before taking action to support.
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