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S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - BigBossX - 14-10-2021

https://www.facebook.com/698343654/posts/10158841377563655/?sfnsn=mo

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - sgbuffett - 14-10-2021

Raj is right.

Woman is one of the many anti vax fear mongers.
The fact that unvaxed people are "traumatised" by govt recent moves is because of the fear spread by such groups causing people to be unvaxed. All the problems would be solved if these people get vaccinated .....if you are worried about the new fangled mRNA ....there are traditional vaccines and to date 2 billion people have been vaccinated.

You have to accept that we cannot choose not to serve NS which is much more dangerous than vaccines as injury and deaths do occur.....

There is not always a choice at the society level when one person 's choice have effect on another.

Today you can smoke and die young ...that's fine but you cannot smoke anywhere you want because your smoke can result in 2nd smoke for others.

If your doctor assess you have no medical reason not to go for vaccination....plse do so.....

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Notdumb - 14-10-2021

I think Raj need to be FARK!

How is it a choice when this farking PAP gov removes the choice thru force?

Its like telling people u can sue PAP and win. Can u?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Notdumb - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:17 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  Raj is right.

Woman is one of the many anti vax fear mongers.
The fact that unvaxed people are "traumatised" by govt recent moves is because of the fear spread by such groups causing people to be unvaxed. All the problems would be solved if these people get vaccinated .....if you are worried about the new fangled mRNA ....there are traditional vaccines and to date 2 billion people have been vaccinated.

You have to accept that we cannot choose not to serve NS which is much more dangerous than vaccines as injury and deaths do occur.....

There is not always a choice at the society level when one person 's choice have effect on another.

Today you can smoke and die young ...that's fine but you cannot smoke anywhere you want because your smoke can result in 2nd smoke for others.

If your doctor assess you have no medical reason not to go for vaccination....plse do so.....

For once i need to tell u u r talking cok!

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - RichDad - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:17 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  Raj is right.

Woman is one of the many anti vax fear mongers.
The fact that unvaxed people are "traumatised" by govt recent moves is because of the fear spread by such groups causing people to be unvaxed. All the problems would be solved if these people get vaccinated .....if you are worried about the new fangled mRNA ....there are traditional vaccines and to date 2 billion people have been vaccinated.

You have to accept that we cannot choose not to serve NS which is much more dangerous than vaccines as injury and deaths do occur.....

There is not always a choice at the society level when one person 's choice have effect on another.

Today you can smoke and die young ...that's fine but you cannot smoke anywhere you want because your smoke can result in 2nd smoke for others.

If your doctor assess you have no medical reason not to go for vaccination....plse do so.....

Those who don't want to get jab are automatically labelled anti vaxxers. That's grossly unfair. People may not want to get vaxxed because of medical reasons or because they are not comfortable with P & M. Sure you can go for Sinovac and Sinopharm and many had done so but these are not in the national vacc program. Not free and no VIFAP. And got to wait .

You got to ask yourself why?  More than a billion people have been vaccinated with non-mrna vaccines and real life data showed that they do protect against severe illness and deaths with less serious side effects than P & M. 

If you really want all to vax, which is impossible by the way, at least give people non mrna alternatives before setting up punitive measures that disrupt people's lives. These measures achieve little but put a lot of stress on people.

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - WhatDoYouThink? - 14-10-2021

the unvaxed are becoming public enemy, the easy target

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - sgbuffett - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:35 PM)RichDad Wrote:  Those who don't want to get jab are automatically labelled anti vaxxers. That's grossly unfair. People may not want to get vaxxed because of medical reasons or because they are not comfortable with P & M. Sure you can go for Sinovac and Sinopharm and many had done so but these are not in the national vacc program. Not free and no VIFAP. And got to wait .

You got to ask yourself why?  More than a billion people have been vaccinated with non-mrna vaccines and real life data showed that they do protect against severe illness and deaths with less serious side effects than P & M. 

If you really want all to vax, which is impossible by the way, at least give people non mrna alternatives before setting up punitive measures that disrupt people's lives. These measures achieve little but put a lot of stress on people.

Let's put aside label....play we can call them unvaxed.

The non mRNA is available it's not expensive if you take it you are considered vaccinated.

Then there are those who refuse either. If they have legitimate medical reason, get a letter to show employer.

If not what do they expect response to be....to wait until they change their minds?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - cityhantam - 14-10-2021

I have a friend who got rashes and itchyness all over the body for almost a month after her second shot. Doctor at policlinic certified that she is allergic to m-RNA vaccines.

Now she has been asked to go for her 3rd shot. She thought she can go for either Sinovac or Sinopharm, but she is not given those as her choice.

She wrote to MOH and the reply is still the same : no Sinovac or Sinopharm for her. She was asked to go to vaccination centre for the doctor to assess!

So, she went to polyclinic. The advice :

Option 1 : Get her 3rd Pfizer jab and manage the allergy!

Option 2 : make appointment to see a specialist in 6 month's time (can't get earlier appointment!) to assess.

I just wonder why it's so difficult for them to offer her Sinovac or Sinopharm???

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Alice Alicia - 14-10-2021

The beginning of the end of pappy gov.

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - debono - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:51 PM)WhatDoYouThink? Wrote:  the unvaxed are becoming public enemy, the easy target

Why don't all here kwai kwai take the 3 jabs given free for all Singaporeans...?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - cityhantam - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:00 PM)debono Wrote:  Why don't all here kwai kwai take the 3 jabs given free for all Singaporeans...?

You don't know that some are allergic to m-RNA vaccines?

You want them to kwai kwai "enjoy" the allergic reactions which could be very severe?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Ernesto - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:00 PM)debono Wrote:  Why don't all here kwai kwai take the 3 jabs given free for all Singaporeans...?

It seems to me you are becoming like those Anti Christ. Why dun you kwai kwai insert with the 666 after is free for all in the world not just in Singapore ?
Now you are vaccinated,you expect ppl with concern and doubt to kwai kwai bow down to your request?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - sgbuffett - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:57 PM)cityhantam Wrote:  I have a friend who got rashes and itchyness all over the body for almost a month after her second shot. Doctor at policlinic certified that she is allergic to m-RNA vaccines.

Now she has been asked to go for her 3rd shot. She thought she can go for either Sinovac or Sinopharm, but she is not given those as her choice.

She wrote to MOH and the reply is still the same : no Sinovac or Sinopharm for her. She was asked to go to vaccination centre for the doctor to assess!

So, she went to polyclinic. The advice :

Option 1 : Get her 3rd Pfizer jab and manage the allergy!

Option 2 : make appointment to see a specialist in 6 month's time (can't get earlier appointment!) to assess.

I just wonder why it's so difficult for them to offer her Sinovac or Sinopharm???

Sinovac and sinopharm are accepted as the first round of vaccination already ....

Now is booster ...whether can switch to non RNA type ...for myself I also prefer. I am not sure why govt does not allow...

For woman with allergic reaction she should be given a choice to switch....not sure why not?...Is matter of govt paying for it or it is not counted as booster?

So far they have not expired people's vaccination status.

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Ernesto - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:06 PM)BigBossX Wrote:  https://www.facebook.com/698343654/posts/10158841377563655/?sfnsn=mo
Where is the link Bro? I want to do my part share ......

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Goldmine - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:59 PM)Alice Alicia Wrote:  The beginning of the end of pappy gov.

I would think so. Supporters (Medeka Generation) are getting pissed off by indirect pressure from govt.

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - debono - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:06 PM)Ernesto Wrote:  It seems to me you are becoming like those Anti Christ. Why dun you kwai kwai insert with the 666 after is free for all in the world not just in Singapore ?
Now you are vaccinated,you expect ppl with concern and doubt to kwai kwai bow down to your request?

If you don't want to kwai kwai go for the jabs, then our garment will make is difficult to have a happy lifestyle.  Now all Malls, F&B outlets, restaurants and hawker centers will require you to show evidence of your vaccination certificate before allowing entry to them and also for those who wants to dine in at coffee shops and Hawker centers.  We have no choice but to comply, else a fine will be given for non compliance.... Laughing

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - RichDad - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 01:56 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  Let's put aside label....play we can call them unvaxed.

The non mRNA is available it's not expensive if you take it you are considered vaccinated.

Then there are those who refuse either. If they have legitimate medical reason, get a letter to show employer.

If not what do they expect response to be....to wait until they change their minds?ii

$99 for sinopharm n maybe Sinovac. Cheap to you but not to others. And no Vifap. 

Why wait for them ? No one is asking them to wait. Just don't discriminate.  It is their choice after all it is not mandatory to jab right?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - WhatDoYouThink? - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:00 PM)debono Wrote:  Why don't all here kwai kwai take the 3 jabs given free for all Singaporeans...?

there must be some reason for it. either they hv recovered so no need, hv allergies or underlying conditions so cannot, not sure what're in the vax and their side effects, many fully vaxxed still reinfected, waiting for more reliable alternatives...

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Galilo_l - 14-10-2021

It's sad to c among citizens fighting n arguing themselves when the Gov labeled citizens as Covid Naive. This term is more aptly applied to themselves when asking data upon data they r not even giving on the update of non mrnas... even restricting the number of stocks to b imported here... insisting on pnm when non mrnas r playing their part all over the world! With Israel n US case in point of highly vaccinated nations n seeing a surge after antibodies waned... they roll out the roadmap... flip pratas n stressed the healthcare system! Telling people to b self responsible n do self test... aren't we doing that since the beginning abiding to safety measures? 
So who r d real covids naive?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - cityhantam - 14-10-2021

Is she anti-vax???

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Ernesto - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:17 PM)debono Wrote:  If you don't want to kwai kwai go for the jabs, then our garment will make is difficult to have a happy lifestyle.  Now all Malls, F&B outlets, restaurants and hawker centers will require you to show evidence of your vaccination certificate before allowing entry to them and also for those who wants to dine in at coffee shops and Hawker centers.  We have no choice but to comply, else a fine will be given for non compliance.... Laughing

Walaoeh.... Opasnie-14

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - WhatDoYouThink? - 14-10-2021

公说公有理，婆说婆有理 such debate like others in forums hv no outcome

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - cityhantam - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:50 PM)WhatDoYouThink? Wrote:  公说公有理，婆说婆有理 such debate like others in forums hv no outcome

OYK should just make Sinovac and Sinopharm available under the national program like Pfizer and Moderna, to cut down a lot of conflicts and unhappiness! Small price, huge benefits! Hope they can see the light!

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - sgbuffett - 14-10-2021

This is a pandemic.
Govt has scientific data that unvaxed are more easily infected and pass infection to others.

Knowing the above, the rules have to be changed to maximise safety for every one as cases are rising.

For workplace safety, employers want everyone to be vaccinated ....if not, test negative everyday before coming to work.

I really don't see the issue.

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Notdumb - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:00 PM)debono Wrote:  Why don't all here kwai kwai take the 3 jabs given free for all Singaporeans...?

U think everyone like u behave like a PAP doggie?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Notdumb - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:56 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  This is a pandemic.
Govt has scientific data that unvaxed are more easily infected and pass infection to others.

Knowing the above, the rules have to be changed to maximise safety for every one as cases are rising.

For workplace safety, employers want everyone to be vaccinated ....if not, test negative everyday before coming to work.

I really don't see the issue.

B4 vax there were very few deaths or infected. After 80% got vax, infected and deaths exploded. 

So WTF u trying to say?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - sgbuffett - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:53 PM)cityhantam Wrote:  OYK should just make Sinovac and Sinopharm available under the national program like Pfizer and Moderna, to cut down a lot of conflicts and unhappiness! Small price, huge benefits! Hope they can see the light!

OYK should take guidance from medical panel and the medical should do its due diligence....If they feel data is insufficient it is better not to allow as it will complicate whole situation as some are on one vaccine other on another that is less effective...

I prefer non-RNA for my booster but can understand they cannot just decide to give go ahead without rigorous review...

Unfortunately, vaccine became politicise with one country refusing to recognise another's vaccine.

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Sentinel - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:06 PM)Ernesto Wrote:  It seems to me you are becoming like those Anti Christ. Why dun you kwai kwai insert with the 666 after is free for all in the world not just in Singapore ?
Now you are vaccinated,you expect ppl with concern and doubt to kwai kwai bow down to your request?

Debono is a sneaky hypocrite, you should know that by now, PAP plp to the core, now using soft approach because leprosy invites company

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - sgbuffett - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 03:01 PM)Notdumb Wrote:  B4 vax there were very few deaths or infected. After 80% got vax, infected and deaths exploded. 

So WTF u trying to say?

Reason is before vax we lockdown until disease cannot spread.

After vax we open up and cases go up...if we are not vaccinate like some countries cases will be even higher look at India and Indonesia where they couldn't control well and not vaccinated coffin makers cannot make enough coffins.

Now we open up vaccine has kept cases lower than  if there was no vaccination. However vaccine is not as effective as we had hoped earlier so cases are high.

My disagreement is given what we know about vaccine effectiveness now ...should we even go ahead with opening?

RE: S'pore anti vax member respond to Raj Singh msg against them... - Sentinel - 14-10-2021

(14-10-2021, 02:56 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  This is a pandemic.
Govt has scientific data that unvaxed are more easily infected and pass infection to others.

Knowing the above, the rules have to be changed to maximise safety for every one as cases are rising.

For workplace safety, employers want everyone to be vaccinated ....if not, test negative everyday before coming to work.

I really don't see the issue.
Bro, stop digging yourself deeper into the hole you dug yourself here

You know for a fact MOH does zero studies but just follow blindly WHO, USA FDA, USA CDC and is now twiddling their fingers still waiting for further direction and instruction from these BIG PHARMA vested interest useless fearmongering organizations. Just look at Israel and USA and their alarming death and infected rates now and you will know that mRNA as espoused by MOH as 'me too' lackey to USA and Israel is in deep shit now

I know you have no ability to minimize your loss as evident from your stock plays, as you are perhaps is lacking a part of your frontal lobe that manages discernment

Leprosy welcomes company and you fall into this sorry category now