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Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - theold - 17-10-2021

https://haokan.baidu.com/v?vid=9430154088908888596


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

This news is reliable?


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - theold - 17-10-2021

A lot of testings are in Brazil. If it is from the institute, should be fine. If it is from their political figure, then it is questionable.

Still elderly should have 3 doses. It is not easy to test on human beings unless with consent.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - watchfirst9 - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 06:22 PM)dynamite Wrote:  This news is reliable?

Inactivate vaccine is using whole virus protein.
Hence performance more consistent against variant.

Base on below around 70% effectiveness for 3 weeks apart 50.4% for 2 weeks apart. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-sinovac-idINKBN29N141

Some variant higher some lower but range is not far.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 06:48 PM)watchfirst9 Wrote:  Inactivate vaccine is using whole virus protein.
Hence performance more consistent against variant.

Base on below around 70% effectiveness for 3 weeks apart 50.4% for 2 weeks apart. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-sinovac-idINKBN29N141

Some variant higher some lower but range is not far.

If this is true, mRNA vaccine can get ready to fold their business .


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - cityhantam - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:41 PM)dynamite Wrote:  If this is true, mRNA vaccine can get ready to fold their business .

m-RNA accines got angmoh politicians and their media to help them blow sky high form them.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - Blasterlord2 - 17-10-2021

Why isn't our govt changing their tack and giving our unvaxed elderly non-mRNA vaccination?


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:45 PM)cityhantam Wrote:  m-RNA accines got angmoh politicians and their media to help them blow sky high form them.

If it is proven that their antibodies test is not reliable gauge for the effectiveness for a vaccine to compare side by side, I hope there will be justice.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:48 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Why isn't our govt changing their tack and giving our unvaxed elderly non-mRNA vaccination?

So far the science out there still support mRNA is better. Any China trying to make a mRNA also?


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - debono - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:48 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Why isn't our govt changing their tack and giving our unvaxed elderly non-mRNA vaccination?

Our garment is playing it safe, and would  want WHO to say that it is safe and effective for the fight against Covid-19 viruses...then and only then will they recommend the use of Sinovac or Sinopharm.......


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:53 PM)debono Wrote:  Our garment is playing it safe, and would  want WHO to say that it is safe and effective for the fight against Covid-19 viruses...then and only then will they recommend the use of Sinovac or Sinopharm.......

If anything wrong they can push the blame to who.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - debono - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:06 PM)dynamite Wrote:  If anything wrong they can push the blame to who.

It is a tai chi game they are all playing.... Laughing


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - happyharvest - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:41 PM)dynamite Wrote:  If this is true, mRNA vaccine can get ready to fold their business .

mRNA is more for therapy, useless as a vaccine with future variant


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:11 PM)debono Wrote:  It is a tai chi game they are all playing.... Laughing

They dare not tank the responsible for making a decision. Last time, lky will make a decision based on his own judgement. If wrong later, also no one dare to challenge him, but he seldom make wrong decision.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - happyharvest - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:48 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Why isn't our govt changing their tack and giving our unvaxed elderly non-mRNA vaccination?

they invest in mRNA companies. the devil is in the details


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - RichDad - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:41 PM)dynamite Wrote:  If this is true, mRNA vaccine can get ready to fold their business .

Even if it is true, mRNA is here to stay lah. So much money poured into it.  It is vaccine politics. Die die also must twist and turn to hype it up.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - RichDad - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:51 PM)dynamite Wrote:  So far the science out there still support mRNA is better. Any China trying to make a mRNA also?

"The science" is controlled by the ang moh media and pharma. Too many variables can be manipulated. Take it with a chunk of salt...


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - debono - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:14 PM)dynamite Wrote:  They dare not tank the responsible for making a decision. Last time, lky will make a decision based on his own judgement. If wrong later, also no one dare to challenge him, but he seldom make wrong decision.

I admire LKY's wisdom, and that he seldom makes mistakes....he is very careful of what he says and do.... Clapping


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - Blasterlord2 - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:14 PM)dynamite Wrote:  They dare not tank the responsible for making a decision. Last time, lky will make a decision based on his own judgement. If wrong later, also no one dare to challenge him, but he seldom make wrong decision.

Yah, now it's all about covering their backside, making decisions that dun make sense just because some 'experts' say so, just so that they can push all the blame to the experts when things go wrong. One good example is the 'healthy no need to wear mask' message. It's totally absurd and even if they didn't have even mask they shouldn't discourage people from wearing them.

Nowadays you see al kinds of panels or task forces being formed, made up of 'experts' in their respective fields. The truth is, these experts always got it wrong because most of them didn't dare to take a view that they know will offend the govt.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - debono - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:23 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Yah, now it's all about covering their backside, making decisions that dun make sense just because some 'experts' say so, just so that they can push all the blame to the experts when things go wrong. One good example is the 'healthy no need to wear mask' message. It's totally absurd and even if they didn't have even mask they shouldn't discourage people from wearing them.

Nowadays you see al kinds of panels or task forces being formed, made up of 'experts' in their respective fields. The truth is, these experts always got it wrong because most of them didn't dare to take a view that they know will offend the govt.

The experts must  be bold enough to offend the govt.  In that case their views can be heard and worked upon... Laughing


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - p1acebo - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:06 PM)dynamite Wrote:  If anything wrong they can push the blame to who.

World class chenghu lead from behind Laughing


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - p1acebo - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:23 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Yah, now it's all about covering their backside, making decisions that dun make sense just because some 'experts' say so, just so that they can push all the blame to the experts when things go wrong. One good example is the 'healthy no need to wear mask' message. It's totally absurd and even if they didn't have even mask they shouldn't discourage people from wearing them.

Nowadays you see al kinds of panels or task forces being formed, made up of 'experts' in their respective fields. The truth is, these experts always got it wrong because most of them didn't dare to take a view that they know will offend the govt.

Dale Fisher is one such useless bugger Laughing


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:23 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Yah, now it's all about covering their backside, making decisions that dun make sense just because some 'experts' say so, just so that they can push all the blame to the experts when things go wrong. One good example is the 'healthy no need to wear mask' message. It's totally absurd and even if they didn't have even mask they shouldn't discourage people from wearing them.

Nowadays you see al kinds of panels or task forces being formed, made up of 'experts' in their respective fields. The truth is, these experts always got it wrong because most of them didn't dare to take a view that they know will offend the govt.

Those experts are just there to cheat money. Even GE also try to sweet talk their boss. What clean sweep etc.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - RichDad - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:22 PM)debono Wrote:  I admire LKY's wisdom, and that he seldom makes mistakes....he is very careful of what he says and do.... Clapping

He made so many mistakes.... graduate mother scheme, rejected F1, Suzhou project failure, saying hdb price will never fall, what else?

No one is God. But he has the guts to make bold decisions.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:40 PM)RichDad Wrote:  He made so many mistakes.... graduate mother scheme, rejected F1, Suzhou project failure, saying hdb price will never fall, what else?

No one is God. But he has the guts to make bold decisions.

His track record is very good already lah. I also can make no mistake if everything I say based on so called "current research or current data", anything wrong I say world change too rapidly and other excuses. Some worse say what depend on people. Or when execute tender to contractors, anything wrong go fine contractors. Laughing


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - debono - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:40 PM)RichDad Wrote:  He made so many mistakes.... graduate mother scheme, rejected F1, Suzhou project failure, saying hdb price will never fall, what else?

No one is God. But he has the guts to make bold decisions.

But no one dares to chastises him..... Laughing


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:46 PM)debono Wrote:  But no one dares to chaises him..... Laughing

He dare to admit his mistakes. Do you dare to disturb him? Laughing I like him. He protect the greeneries.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - watchfirst9 - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 08:41 PM)dynamite Wrote:  If this is true, mRNA vaccine can get ready to fold their business .

(17-10-2021, 08:51 PM)dynamite Wrote:  So far the science out there still support mRNA is better. Any China trying to make a mRNA also?

mRNA ones have faster build up of antibodies, but along with it more adverse effects.
P effectiveness is better only in first 5-6 months, after that is below to S and likes of AZ etc
M continue to perform better but due to higher dose.
We must know all vaccine works less well for elderly compare to younger.

China is also developing mRNA but doubt it have much takers. 

Anyway inhale methods are the ones to watch next year, 
it is known to be more effective and lower adverse effects.


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - RichDad - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:46 PM)debono Wrote:  But no one dares to chaises him..... Laughing

He was PM.  Same as pinky, who dare to F him?

I read only GKS dare to talk back to him in parliament. But then GKS is older and possibly wiser than him  Big Grin


RE: Sinovac: Effectiveness for elderly - dynamite - 17-10-2021

(17-10-2021, 09:51 PM)RichDad Wrote:  He was PM.  Same as pinky, who dare to F him?

I read only GKS dare to talk back to him in parliament. But then GKS is older and possibly wiser than him  Big Grin

He has some capable people helping him also.