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‘A true leader does not need a Long runway’ — Lim Tean welcomes Malaysia’s Bill
01-02-2022, 10:51 AM
‘A true leader does not need a Long runway’ — Lim Tean welcomes Malaysia’s Bill to impose 10-year term limit for Prime Minister
https://theindependent.sg/a-true-leader-...-minister/
https://theindependent.sg/a-true-leader-...-minister/
01-02-2022, 12:05 PM
If limit the PM's term to one year, Lim Tean will still not be able to sniff the PM seat.
01-02-2022, 12:12 PM
Makes sense for Malaysia. Too many factions like Japan. Need to keep rotating the seat to keep everyone happy.
01-02-2022, 12:18 PM
A true political leader is a good communicator.
That is why PAP is made up of a bunch of jokers and clowns.
That is why PAP is made up of a bunch of jokers and clowns.
Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers?
01-02-2022, 12:20 PM
A True Political Leader do not need money to have followers.
That is why Indranee is not a leader.
She still dare to say budgeting is leadership skills.
PUI!
That is why Indranee is not a leader.
She still dare to say budgeting is leadership skills.
PUI!
![[Image: Indranee-budgetting-is-leadership-Jan-22.png]](https://i.ibb.co/k0L3Htc/Indranee-budgetting-is-leadership-Jan-22.png)
Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers?
01-02-2022, 12:24 PM
(01-02-2022, 10:51 AM)Bigiron Wrote: ‘A true leader does not need a Long runway’ — Lim Tean welcomes Malaysia’s Bill to impose 10-year term limit for Prime Minister
https://theindependent.sg/a-true-leader-...-minister/
China removed the 10 year limit. It enabled Xi to plan really long term. This is also why LKY was able to plan long temr. Imagine if he had to step down after ten years....
Same for GCT and LHL. They could plan long term....which is why Singapore is still flying high today compared with so many other countries.
And now, Malaysia imposes it.
Who ish doing the right thing?
01-02-2022, 12:30 PM
We should have senior councils with the authority to sack the prime minister
01-02-2022, 12:32 PM
(01-02-2022, 12:20 PM)Ola Wrote: A True Political Leader do not need money to have followers.In really bad times, when the people are dying in the streets, and being governed by a tyrant-dictator, you might see someone rising to revolt, and with luck, effective strategy, charisma and certainly brains as well, he might overthrow the regime.
That is why Indranee is not a leader.
She still dare to say budgeting is leadership skills.
PUI!
Myanmar had been trying for exactly one year now, when the junta seized power.
But in good times, you will not see such a person rising. He is busy making money for himself in the private sector or even around the globe running a big business. Singapore had years after years of prosperity, and most of us are able to afford vacation, eat yusheng, abalone, wear Puma or Nike shoes, and sleep on a Simmons mattress if we like this brand.
There will be the poor among us, but they are NOT representative of the entire population.
It is naïve to think that the best and brightest will come forward "to serve" and work for less money while others are making millions in the private sector. Importantly, who is willing to sacrifice his privacy and be scrutinized by the public....?
If you don't pay, you will only get monkeys. I am talking about trying to get good people to come forward, in good times.
Even Lee Li Lian from WP refused to take up the NCMP post just because she was not voted to become a full MP, to earn $16K a month. So let's not point fingers at PAP when your WP is no better.....
01-02-2022, 01:13 PM
(01-02-2022, 12:12 PM)Levin Wrote: Makes sense for Malaysia. Too many factions like Japan. Need to keep rotating the seat to keep everyone happy.
Theirs are multi parties ruling system, must gather enough numbers to form majority.
Little to do with pm term, more of managing skills and charisma.
It might be better for them to set higher of 12.5 years cap but leave option to
pm decide if to stick to finish two 5years terms or to choose
early election at middle of second term for3rd term.

01-02-2022, 01:21 PM
Sound like he wants to run.
Give him a short one.
Can he run?
Walk?
Or maybe crawl.
Give him a short one.
Can he run?
Walk?
Or maybe crawl.
01-02-2022, 05:20 PM
(01-02-2022, 01:21 PM)Migrant Wrote: Sound like he wants to run.
Give him a short one.
Can he run?
Walk?
Or maybe crawl.
![[Image: JLB-Ministers-2021.png]](https://i.ibb.co/G9rt9xV/JLB-Ministers-2021.png)
![[Image: JLB-Ministers-2021.png]](https://i.ibb.co/G9rt9xV/JLB-Ministers-2021.png)
Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers?
01-02-2022, 09:24 PM
Take turn to be multi millionaire, rich together
Fair, right?
Fair, right?
01-02-2022, 10:06 PM
(01-02-2022, 10:02 PM)Gstalk Wrote: Long runway is just an excuse to retain pinky in the post for years
Chan CS need 50 years to be a Minister.
Another ultra- long run way for his 50 Years of Training.
Waste of money.
Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers?
01-02-2022, 10:31 PM
02-02-2022, 08:14 AM
(01-02-2022, 10:31 PM)debono Wrote: I don't know giving a long runway for a PM is a good system. After being at the helm for so many years, he must be sick and tired being in the forefront........He had aged a lot......
Everybody start their career with passion and it will die off.
Every career will have mid- life crisis.
No point working on the same job for 30 or 40 years when the output level is dwindling.
Having a figurehead to boost political morale is unlike having Queen Elizabeth for the list of British Colony.
Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers?
02-02-2022, 08:59 AM
(01-02-2022, 12:24 PM)Oyk Wrote: China removed the 10 year limit. It enabled Xi to plan really long term. This is also why LKY was able to plan long temr. Imagine if he had to step down after ten years....
Same for GCT and LHL. They could plan long term....which is why Singapore is still flying high today compared with so many other countries.
And now, Malaysia imposes it.
Who ish doing the right thing?
Term limits have pros and cons.
If no limit you are stuck with a lousy guy, he can entrench himself and cause long term damage.
Some see term limits as a way to reduce risk. Because a lousy leader can do much more damage than the good you get from good leaders. Outstanding leaders like LKY is extremely rare. We should not build a system based on rare case....
For democratic countries, you do this to protect democracy from tyrants and demigods. Once in a while you get some one who entrench himself deep enough to remove check and balance in your democratic system. After that you have a series of bad leaders that you cannot remove and country goes downhill.
Arguing that term limits result in short term thinking is a fallacy. If there are no term limits the politicians still has to go for election every 4-5 yrs and his thinking is driven by need to win next election. The only cure for this is better educated voters that don't get lured by short term populist carrots.
It's a good decision for Malaysia to do this. Moving power from the PM-ship create strong institutions and the PM in power knows his power will be gone after 10yrs will be less likely to abuse it than one who thinks he can stay on indefinitely..
I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
02-02-2022, 09:16 AM
So clear cut,, by numbers some more...
02-02-2022, 09:48 AM
(02-02-2022, 08:59 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: Term limits have pros and cons.
If no limit you are stuck with a lousy guy, he can entrench himself and cause long term damage.
Some see term limits as a way to reduce risk. Because a lousy leader can do much more damage than the good you get from good leaders. Outstanding leaders like LKY is extremely rare. We should not build a system based on rare case....
For democratic countries, you do this to protect democracy from tyrants and demigods. Once in a while you get some one who entrench himself deep enough to remove check and balance in your democratic system. After that you have a series of bad leaders that you cannot remove and country goes downhill.
Arguing that term limits result in short term thinking is a fallacy. If there are no term limits the politicians still has to go for election every 4-5 yrs and his thinking is driven by need to win next election. The only cure for this is better educated voters that don't get lured by short term populist carrots.
It's a good decision for Malaysia to do this. Moving power from the PM-ship create strong institutions and the PM in power knows his power will be gone after 10yrs will be less likely to abuse it than one who thinks he can stay on indefinitely..
You are like a boxer, all prepared to fight, but within 1 minute, got your two legs broken at the knees. You can't stand up. Match over.
Your second sentence is just that.
Stuck with a lousy leader? What is the GE for? If PAP cannot perform, it would have been voted out. Long ago.
Now, don't come and give me that stupig excuse: oh! you know! the 61% ah! They are daft! They vote blindly!
Please. Come on, SgBuffet aka self-proclaimed top sage.
02-02-2022, 10:08 AM
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