[Bigiron]

“Who Really Pays?” – Riders express grave concern over mandatory CPF



https://theindependent.sg/who-really-pay...atory-cpf/

[[[ForeverAlone]]]

end up EPIC is ownself pay ownself?

Grab behind got TS Holdings investment and is TS Holdings tell Grab move their HQ come in SG from MY because on agreedment of loans. Which Grab want as MY Gov don't lend to them.


this Grab rider earnings also hard to calculate same for PHV, individuals earnings vary , some lazy , some hard working than all got CPF contribution? Is because Grab , Food panda etc food delivery business and PHV the work is different.

even come Taxi driver, if I get it right , they also don't have CPF .

if so means Grab have to come out a min monthly wage for ever single of their food delivery riders and PHV.


EPIC LOL Look at Grab stock value.

[Ola]

If average 16 trips per day X 24 work days, can earn $3,300 ( with bonus and incentives)

But seriously, can old rider make 16 trips per day?

After CPF becomes $2739 less using your own petrol of electricity charging of e-bikes= maybe $2,000 per mth.

No need to eat lunch or dinner?

Better not have kids, too.

[[[ForeverAlone]]]

If average 16 trips per day X 24 work days, can earn $3,300 ( with bonus and incentives)

But seriously, can old rider make 16 trips per day?

After CPF becomes $2739 less using your own petrol of electricity charging of e-bikes= maybe $2,000 per mth.

No need to eat lunch or dinner?

Better not have kids, too.

This is why is " Unworkable " what CPF, due to the nature of this business model is Different with other industries.

[starbugs]

The riders are right. If Grab needs to pay CPF, it will cut the riders' fee by 17% to even the sums. Then the rider has to pay another 20% of the fee to CPF. Take-home pay just drops by 1/3 versus before. No impact to Grab except the admin to deal with CPF board.

[[[ForeverAlone]]]

The riders are right. If Grab needs to pay CPF, it will cut the riders' fee by 17% to even the sums. Then the rider has to pay another 20% of the fee to CPF. Take-home pay just drops by 1/3 versus before. No impact to Grab except the admin to deal with CPF board.

Than the Gov why never talk about Comfort G, SMRT , translink etc Taxi ?? all long they don't even contribute CPF.

[Ola]

Around 32,000 Food Riders ( June 2021).

It should just be voluntary while PAP create jobs to attract them elsewhere for better careers.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapor...e124f45609

[FangFang]

Everywhere is tough also..

[Blasterlord2]

The fewer people we have to do grab delivery the better. There's a big problem with our country if we have so many people doing this job.

[watchfirst9]

The fewer people we have to do grab delivery the better. There's a big problem with our country if we have so many people doing this job.

Structural unemployment bigger than what our media reported.

As inflation is going higher, mandatory CPF will be hugely unpopular.

[Instinct]

Indirectly it's the riders that must contribute everything themselves. Govt just want statistics of CPF to look good. If govt really care, they would have improved the CPF interest so that workers will grow their CPF faster with better return. But the ministers only care for themselves first.

[Ola]

Structural unemployment bigger than what our media reported.

As inflation is going higher, mandatory CPF will be hugely unpopular.

FTs do not pay CPF nor levies have beat the MOM System

Where they are cheaper than us

Shoot Blank Queen created so many lousy jobs for us

Yet want us to contribute CPF to make us jobless

She is Contradicting herself and shooting her own foot

[Goldmine]

Imo, they should be exempted from CPF contributions. If they have to contribute to CPF, these GRAB delivery riders will have to "piah miah" their deliveries every day in order to make up for the cpf contribution requirement. This will put them in danger of losing their lives in road accidents

[mikotan]

If government ia serious, CPF is strictly for retirement, nothing else, not even for properties.

[Goldmine]

they are making $100~$200 per day.. thats about $3k - $4k per month... many earning less also pay cpf..... so why they can't "afford" to pay cpf? taxi drivers earning >5k also say they cannot "afford" cpf... then why should those earning much less contribute cpf/tax and help to feed these ppls during old age? they shld pay and if they need to risk their life then ask them to deliver using bicycle....

How much do they earned  (min.) per trip order?
Their wages are not fixed. It depend on demand - no. and value of each order rec'd per day. If they are lucky to rec'd many orders they will earn more. If not meagre sum.

[Ernesto]

Haven't included the compulsory Medisave contribution. Another 5.25 -10.5% of the annual revenue.🤦
Nowadays $18000 per year is nothing. They should increase contribution only after the minimum a basic amount a family or individual needs for a decent living.

[sclim]

when a cost is added evenly across industry, it will be ok. what will happen is increased fare value for each ride. platform will be less able to take adavantage of driver by mixing long distance fare at unfairly low price with short distance low value fare which are profitable but difficult to run.
if the increased in fare is not enough some drivers will drop out and go to other proper employment as economy open up. that is much easier life then drivers which has to be 100% on the job while driving. with reduce number of drivers, the income will go up. some will switch to taxi driving which is the fair income for self employed driving.

cpf as a rule to help employee for housing, health care , retirement is not implemented uniformly it is wrong. if business see that by using a platform they can reduce cost by not paying cpf then more and more will switch to using platform., for example. a restaurant no need to have employee. all change to contractors. use an apps to assign the handling of tables, assign one must take the job. no take job, increase non acceptance rate, cancel assign job increased cancellation rate etc. so in a way more control over employee without manager or supervisor. save cost. and can bully contractor who got buy in to their incentives.

stupid slave driving idea. no want to pay cpf. platform are still trying not to pay by making drivers to have other jobs so that driving become side income. hope cpf must insist all income must pay cpf.

[surfer]

Imo, they should be exempted from CPF contributions. If they have to contribute to CPF, these GRAB delivery riders will have to "piah miah" their deliveries every day in order to make up for the cpf contribution requirement. This will put them in danger of losing their lives in road accidents

The other side of the coin is when they stop being GRAB delivery riders, maybe because of old age , medical problems, where and how on earth are they going to survive with CPF funds to last them till the end of their lives if they don't have any money in their CPF funds?

[talky]

If average 16 trips per day X 24 work days, can earn $3,300 ( with bonus and incentives)

But seriously, can old rider make 16 trips per day?

After CPF becomes $2739 less using your own petrol of electricity charging of e-bikes= maybe $2,000 per mth.

No need to eat lunch or dinner?

Better not have kids, too.

having kids in spore is only exclusive to those earning 5k >
all govt support to hv kids are useless n is  a joke.if u earns <5k

[talky]

Indirectly it's the riders that must contribute everything themselves. Govt just want statistics of CPF to look good. If govt really care, they would have improved the CPF interest so that workers will grow their CPF faster with better return. But the ministers only care for themselves first.

imposing this scheme only benefits the govt to boost cpf total bal
those suffer are the employer n  food derly drivers.

[Wy:Nox]

of cos have to pay... you no cpf mean govt has to take care of you using our tax money...

If Govt can spend on Mayors, so why not on our own people??

[jus4lucky]

baN grab N foodpanda. solved

[Sticw]

Indirectly it's the riders that must contribute everything themselves. Govt just want statistics of CPF to look good. If govt really care, they would have improved the CPF interest so that workers will grow their CPF faster with better return. But the ministers only care for themselves first. 

You have a mistake I corrected for you.