2 people investigated for instigating others to overwhelm public hotlines with calls
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Ian Cheng
25 Nov 2021 04:03PM
(Updated: 25 Nov 2021 04:15PM)


SINGAPORE: Two people are being investigated for their alleged involvement in instigating others to "call and overwhelm public hotlines", said the police on Thursday (Nov 25).

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On Oct 18, the police received a report alleging that a man and woman had incited more than 2,000 members in a Telegram messaging group to overwhelm public hotlines through sharing their feedback on the stricter COVID-19 measures for unvaccinated people in public places.

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As the alleged incitement to overwhelm public hotlines has the potential to obstruct the work of public servants, the police, in consultation with the Attorney-General’s Chambers, are investigating the 48-year-old man and 45-year-old woman for allegedly instigating people to do so.

Anyone found guilty of obstructing public servants in the discharge of their public functions can be jailed for up to three months, fined up to S$2,500, or both.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapor...es-2338101
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Police investigating Iris Koh & Raymond Ng for allegedly instigating others to overwhelm public hotlines


Nigel Chua |  November 25, 2021, 04:06 PM

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Mothership understands that the man and woman are Raymond Ng, and his wife Iris Koh.

Koh is the founder of Singapore's "Healing the Divide" group, while Ng has said that he is a volunteer with the group.



https://mothership.sg/2021/11/iris-koh-r...stigation/
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(25-11-2021, 08:08 PM)Levin Wrote:  Ian Cheng
25 Nov 2021 04:03PM
(Updated: 25 Nov 2021 04:15PM)


SINGAPORE: Two people are being investigated for their alleged involvement in instigating others to "call and overwhelm public hotlines", said the police on Thursday (Nov 25).

......

On Oct 18, the police received a report alleging that a man and woman had incited more than 2,000 members in a Telegram messaging group to overwhelm public hotlines through sharing their feedback on the stricter COVID-19 measures for unvaccinated people in public places.

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As the alleged incitement to overwhelm public hotlines has the potential to obstruct the work of public servants, the police, in consultation with the Attorney-General’s Chambers, are investigating the 48-year-old man and 45-year-old woman for allegedly instigating people to do so.

Anyone found guilty of obstructing public servants in the discharge of their public functions can be jailed for up to three months, fined up to S$2,500, or both.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapor...es-2338101
Is govt trying to say hotline is not meant for feedback??

If yes, then they should setup a dedicated hotline to take feedback..

And yes, if everyone swarm to call 999 or 995 just to give feedback, then it deprive others who really need that emergency service..

But, if the hotline here as critical as 999 or 995??

1. I have served the nation in a combat unit for 2.5 + 10 years. I had fulfilled my duty as a citizen, but has the country do it's part for me?
2. I don't know where the threat of CCP is, but I know the threat of CECA is already at my doorsteps
3. I had been called a CCP, JHK, Pinoy, but they never called me a CECA..
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(25-11-2021, 08:26 PM)Levin Wrote:  Police investigating Iris Koh & Raymond Ng for allegedly instigating others to overwhelm public hotlines


Nigel Chua |  November 25, 2021, 04:06 PM

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Mothership understands that the man and woman are Raymond Ng, and his wife Iris Koh.

Koh is the founder of Singapore's "Healing the Divide" group, while Ng has said that he is a volunteer with the group.



https://mothership.sg/2021/11/iris-koh-r...stigation/

Why in the world they want to do that, nothing better to do....? I think very soon they will asked to lim kopi.... Angry
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(25-11-2021, 08:33 PM)ArielCasper Wrote:  Is govt trying to say hotline is not meant for feedback??

If yes, then they should setup a dedicated hotline to take feedback..

And yes, if everyone swarm to call 999 or 995 just to give feedback, then it deprive others who really need that emergency service..

But, if the hotline here as critical as 999 or 995??

These hotlines are meant for people who need medical assistance. They are not meant for people to express opinions.

Medically related issues on health warnings if unsure should be discussed with your doctor not with unqualified people online.

The govt is spending alot of effort and resource to resolve this crisis. people like this couple can be seen as sabotaging their efforts....

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This is Singapore ....they were running an influence campaign that ran counter to govt messaging.

That in itself is not against the law but they are naive to think this govt is not going to find opportunities to charge them by monitoring their activities until they do something against the law.

This is the opportunity for govt to shut them down.

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This couple is another level of trash. You want to be antivaxxers, go ahead. Spreading fake news is bad enough. Preventing others from getting help is unacceptable.
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(25-11-2021, 08:42 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  This is Singapore ....they were running an influence campaign that ran counter to govt messaging.

That in itself is not against the law but they are naive to think this govt is not going to find opportunities to charge them by monitoring their activities until they do something against the law.

This is the opportunity for govt to shut them down.

By doing that the couple is depriving someone who needs this  service urgently, but cannot get thru' because it is swamped with the people doing this act........ Angry
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(25-11-2021, 08:38 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  These hotlines are meant for people who need medical assistance. They are not meant for people to express opinions.

Medically related issues on health warnings if unsure should be discussed with your doctor not with unqualified people online.

The govt is spending alot of effort and resource to resolve this crisis. people like this couple can be seen as sabotaging their efforts....

But, it is also mentioned that the hotline is for feedback.. So they are not wrong to call the hotline to feedback..

"They include the Ministry of Health’s (MOH) Quality Service/Feedback hotline, the Ministry of Social and Family Development’s (MSF) hotline and the National CARE Hotline."

Not to forget, the same 2000 people can't even go and gather at MOH to give face to face feedback, because more than x from different household will be illegal due to COVID restrictions.

BTW, did the article mentioned how many stupid ass actually listen to them and call the hotline?? If there is not a lot, then is it still a criminal charge?? I can now ask people to go and rob a bank..Whether did a bank robbery take place, am I being taken to task for instigating others to rob a bank??

1. I have served the nation in a combat unit for 2.5 + 10 years. I had fulfilled my duty as a citizen, but has the country do it's part for me?
2. I don't know where the threat of CCP is, but I know the threat of CECA is already at my doorsteps
3. I had been called a CCP, JHK, Pinoy, but they never called me a CECA..
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(25-11-2021, 08:46 PM)starbugs Wrote:  This couple is another level of trash. You want to be antivaxxers, go ahead. Spreading fake news is bad enough. Preventing others from getting help is unacceptable.

I feel that they are more like 'dividing the heal' rather than 'healing the divide'.
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(25-11-2021, 08:52 PM)Levin Wrote:  I feel that they are more like 'dividing the heal' rather than 'healing the divide'.

Well said, that is what it amounts to...... Clapping
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(25-11-2021, 08:38 PM)sgbuffett Wrote:  These hotlines are meant for people who need medical assistance. They are not meant for people to express opinions.

Medically related issues on health warnings if unsure should be discussed with your doctor not with unqualified people online.

The govt is spending alot of effort and resource to resolve this crisis. people like this couple can be seen as sabotaging their efforts....

To be fair the lines they provided are not the ones the public calls for Covid help. One of lines provided was for feedback which wasn't wrong.
There is oso no proof the pple jamming the hotines read or were incited by their FB post to do so.

Garbagemen is ony coming down hard on them bcos the krazy couple has started legal proceedings against Goliath. How do you think that will end?
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Heal what lan chal Divide, they are causing harm to people trying to get or seek medication advise.
These are selfish evil little people with personal agenda that causes harm to society.
They should be hang or get firing squad

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These people will be burning in hell

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(25-11-2021, 08:52 PM)ArielCasper Wrote:  But, it is also mentioned that the hotline is for feedback.. So they are not wrong to call the hotline to feedback..

"They include the Ministry of Health’s (MOH) Quality Service/Feedback hotline, the Ministry of Social and Family Development’s (MSF) hotline and the National CARE Hotline."

Not to forget, the same 2000 people can't even go and gather at MOH to give face to face feedback, because more than x from different household will be illegal due to COVID restrictions.

BTW, did the article mentioned how many stupid ass actually listen to them and call the hotline?? If there is not a lot, then is it still a criminal charge?? I can now ask people to go and rob a bank..Whether did a bank robbery take place, am I being taken to task for instigating others to rob a bank??

Even if it is also meant for feedback...the couple.was urging people to "overwhelm" the hotline.

This gives the govt an opportunity go after them and shut them down for disrupting ...
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(25-11-2021, 10:04 PM)Tangsen Wrote:  Heal what lan chal Divide, they are causing harm to people trying to get or seek medication advise.
These are selfish evil little people with personal agenda that causes harm to society.
They should be hang or get firing squad

(25-11-2021, 10:14 PM)BigBossX Wrote:  Even if it is also meant for feedback...the couple.was urging people to "overwhelm" the hotline.

This gives the govt an opportunity go after them and shut them down for disrupting ...

You guys are right, they are indeed selfish and stupid people, trying to overwhelm the telephone lines.......they should be shot by a firing squard...... Angry
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Aiyo u want 2000 ppl to query or 1 party to represent the 2000?
If one party cannot manage , dun talk abt thousands of ppl with doubt keep calling the hotline.
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(25-11-2021, 10:14 PM)BigBossX Wrote:  Even if it is also meant for feedback...the couple.was urging people to "overwhelm" the hotline.

This gives the govt an opportunity go after them and shut them down for disrupting ...
Firstly, what is the exact words used to fit the description urging people to overwhelmed the hotline. It wasn't mentioned in the article at all.

Like what I said in my earlier post, if today I posted go and rob bank and someone really rob the bank, am I considered urging people to rob bank?

We have to break the info into 2. Moral and legal.

Morally are they right? Probably not, because like what some of you put it, it may deprived people with genuine needs to access the hotline.

Legally are the wrong? I can't think of anything that can nail them. You have to prove that 

1. There is a spike in people calling in to 'feedback'
2. The spike is from the 2000 folks in the groupchat. If it is outside the groupchat, can blame on these 2?

1. I have served the nation in a combat unit for 2.5 + 10 years. I had fulfilled my duty as a citizen, but has the country do it's part for me?
2. I don't know where the threat of CCP is, but I know the threat of CECA is already at my doorsteps
3. I had been called a CCP, JHK, Pinoy, but they never called me a CECA..
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