[Ali Imran]

If this is your view as a "regular Muslim", then I have some bad news for you from the REAL WORLD just next door had been destroying its own  "human intellect" .   

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asi...icials-say

Disabling human intellect is destructive. The perfect example is drinking alcohol. When we drink, we disable our intellect, which is destructive to mankind. Guess which religion prohibits drinking alcohol?


Brain drain in Malaysia is economics.

[Manthink]

Disabling human intellect is destructive. The perfect example is drinking alcohol. When we drink, we disable our intellect, which is destructive to mankind. Guess which religion prohibits drinking alcohol? Brain drain in Malaysia is economics.

Huh ? Is that the ONLY e.g with which you definite  "human intellect" - Alcohol to blame and economic is a separate matter ?

Interesting, Alcoho, just like Religion, is a Man-made creation,  can be both Constructive and Destructive. 

[Ali Imran]

Huh ? Is that the ONLY e.g with which you definite  "human intellect" - Alcohol to blame and economic is a separate matter ?

Interesting, Alcoho, just like Religion, is a Man-made creation,  can be both Constructive and Destructive. 

Brain drain does not disable the intellect of mankind. It has a serious economic impact on the country but it does not impairs human intellect. So your example of brain drain in Malaysia is irrelevant to whether religion is a constructive or destructive force.

The culture of drinking alcohol can be constructive and destructive BUT it destroys far more than it constructs.

So far, you have not given me anything to show how Islam is a destructive force.

[pinkpanther]

Islam is not destructive. Period. Destruction is against Islamic teachings. 

Is Islam a human invention? We disagree. We believe Islam is from God, not from humans. Only God can tell us how best to live our lives here in this world.

Can the Quran prove that Gabriel spoke to Muhammad ?

[Ali Imran]

Can the Quran prove that Gabriel spoke to Muhammad ?

The Quran leaves no doubt that it was Gabriel who came to Prophet Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم.

If you're looking for an explicit verse, there isn't any.

[pinkpanther]

The Quran leaves no doubt that it was Gabriel who came to Prophet Muhammad (صلي الله عليه وسلم.

If you're looking for an explicit verse, there isn't any.

Has Muhammad seen God in human form? You might be surprised by the ans? 

[Ali Imran]

Has Muhammad seen God in human form? You might be surprised by the ans? 

What has that got to do with the discussion?

[Manthink]

Brain drain does not disable the intellect of mankind. It has a serious economic impact on the country but it does not impairs human intellect. So your example of brain drain in Malaysia is irrelevant to whether religion is a constructive or destructive force.The culture of drinking alcohol can be constructive and destructive BUT it destroys far more than it constructs. So far, you have not given me anything to show how Islam is a destructive force.

I am glad to tell you just like the Alcohol, Islam or any other religoin can be both Destructive and Constructive - it is how it is used by its consumer.

And just like Alcohol, some of its fan love it so much that they become addicted ...just like alcoholic.

And like a alcoholic, some pple begins to lost their sense and even mind  - with destructive consequence.

Losing minds is like brain drain of a nation....If there is not the destruction of "human intellec"...than what is ?

[Ali Imran]

I am glad to tell you just like the Alcohol, Islam or any other religoin can be both Destructive and Constructive - it is how it is used by its consumer.

And just like Alcohol, some of its fan love it so much that they become addicted ...just like alcoholic.

And like a alcoholic, some pple begins to lost their sense and even mind  - with destructive consequence.

Losing minds is like brain drain of a nation....If there is not the destruction of "human intellec"...than what is ?

Thank you. Yes, alcohol is bad and Islam prohibits alcohol. Does that mean Islam is good because it prohibits what is bad?

I hope you will have a nice week ahead.

[Manthink]

Thank you. Yes, alcohol is bad and Islam prohibits alcohol. Does that mean Islam is good because it prohibits what is bad?
I hope you will have a nice week ahead.

You are welcomed.

As I had said, Man-made existence and values be it Alcohol and Religion can be both Constructive and Destructive..
Interestingly, my opinion can be confirmed within the "Muslim World" of Arab and Persia...both practice long tradition of making alcoholic drinks long before Islam was born.
The good thing however, some Muslim rulers and gov remains open-minded and learn to avoid defining Islam in a narrow & restrictive manner in both ideological and practical world.

Who says the Arabs used to love Yaamm Seeeenng with their 53% ABV Arak ?

[Manthink]

An enlightened American Jewish woman who ended up as an atheists after having children. 
Here she explains:

I thought of God as a human invention: a character, a concept, a carry-over from an ancient time. I thought of him as a fiction.....Religion offers ready-made answers to our most difficult questions. It gives people ways to mark time, celebrate and mourn. Once I vowed not to teach my children anything I did not personally believe, I had to come up with new answers. But I discovered as I went what most parents discover: You can figure it out as you go....My children know how to distinguish fact from fiction — which is harder for children raised religious. They don’t assume conventional wisdom is true and they do expect arguments to be based on evidence.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...n-atheism/

[Manthink]

...Now I can see why America keeps blaming others for their own problems...Rich X'tians can never get along with Poor X'tians because what their bible tells them...



“There’s a strong Christian impulse to understand poverty as deeply rooted in morality — often, as the Bible makes clear, in unwillingness to work, in bad financial decisions or in broken family structures,”  X'tians theologians point to passages in the New Testament that shape Christians’ views on poverty, from the verse in Thessalonians that says, “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat,” to Jesus’ exhortations to care for needy people, including those who are sick and in prison, to the many interpretations of his statement quoted in Matthew, Mark and John, “The poor you will always have with you.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...of-effort/

[Manthink]

A provocative view about how X'tanity is destroying US.... And there are Historical reference how violence and war is part and parcel of this Religion

It is the evangelical element of American Christianity that is particularly insidious. In 1987, Christian author George Grant wrote in his book, The Changing of the Guard: Biblical Principles for Political Action, “Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ — to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. … But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice … Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land — of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.”



https://medium.com/cappuccini/religion-i...b3713e0748

[Ali Imran]

You are welcomed.

As I had said, Man-made existence and values be it Alcohol and Religion can be both Constructive and Destructive..
Interestingly, my opinion can be confirmed within the "Muslim World" of Arab and Persia...both practice long tradition of making alcoholic drinks long before Islam was born.
The good thing however, some Muslim rulers and gov remains open-minded and learn to avoid defining Islam in a narrow & restrictive manner in both ideological and practical world.

Who says the Arabs used to love Yaamm Seeeenng with their 53% ABV Arak ?

Drinking alcohol is haram, a transgression. There is no ambiguity in that rule. And more importantly, the rule doesn't change. 

Yes, we can easily find Muslims drinking alcohol in Singapore. No need to go so far into the Middle East. 

Is the society better if drinking alcohol is prohibited? The answer is a resounding yes. We won't see our daughters puking by the roadside on Saturday nights and taken home by some strangers to enjoy.

[Manthink]

Drinking alcohol is haram, a transgression. There is no ambiguity in that rule. And more importantly, the rule doesn't change. 
Yes, we can easily find Muslims drinking alcohol in Singapore. No need to go so far into the Middle East. 
Is the society better if drinking alcohol is prohibited? The answer is a resounding yes. We won't see our daughters puking by the roadside on Saturday nights and taken home by some strangers to enjoy.

Good news is, in the context of alcoholic drinks,  not all believer of Islam subscripts to your view.

[Manthink]

US sharply divided by religion with return of Trump as next US President.  



https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/...ld%20today.

[Ali Imran]

Good news is, in the context of alcoholic drinks,  not all believer of Islam subscripts to your view.

I know it's hard for you to imagine a society where alcoholic beverages are prohibited. And I know many would not want to live in such a society because they like the party, getting wasted, mingling freely with the opposite sex.

But you must admit that the bad things that come with the easy availability of alcohol are very damaging to individuals as well as society. Why would you allow a damaging culture into our society?

[Tee tiong huat]

Disabling human intellect is destructive. The perfect example is drinking alcohol. When we drink, we disable our intellect, which is destructive to mankind. Guess which religion prohibits drinking alcohol?


Brain drain in Malaysia is economics.

God need food?....yes.

[Ali Imran]

God need food?....yes.

No, God has no needs.

[Tee tiong huat]

God need food?....yes.

[Tee tiong huat]

NEED ENOUGH then blahh here lehh...

[Tee tiong huat]

NEED ENOUGH then blahh here lehh...

We All Is Part of Today, not Yesterday...

[Tee tiong huat]

We All Is Part of Today, not Yesterday...

This Aliens also known...too.

[Manthink]

I know it's hard for you to imagine a society where alcoholic beverages are prohibited. And I know many would not want to live in such a society because they like the party, getting wasted, mingling freely with the opposite sex. But you must admit that the bad things that come with the easy availability of alcohol are very damaging to individuals as well as society. Why would you allow a damaging culture into our society?

Huh ? What is wrong with you ? 

How on Earth lead you to talk about about sex and women when long ago I spoon-fed you the Arabs does not care since Alcoholic drink had been part of their tradition ???

https://www.thespruceeats.com/arak-middl...ge-2355492

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[Manthink]

When Religion, not Common Sense,  increasingly become part and parcel of politics, culture, education, health and social compact...

Trump as Christian ‘champion’

Despite his adultery, lies, criminality and other personal failings, Trump professes to be a Christian and has courted the support of the evangelical movement in particular. He has followed through on his promises to appoint conservative Christians to senior judicial positions. This has been key to restricting women’s reproductive rights and has secured Trump a key block of the conservative electoral coalition.

https://theconversation.com/us-election-...sts-235826

[Ali Imran]

Huh ? What is wrong with you ? 

How on Earth lead you to talk about about sex and women when long ago I spoon-fed you the Arabs does not care since Alcoholic drink had been part of their tradition ???

I'm not following your argument. Yes, alcohol was a tradition before Islam. But it has since been prohibited.

Remind me again where we're going with this.

[Manthink]

I'm not following your argument. Yes, alcohol was a tradition before Islam. But it has since been prohibited.
Remind me again where we're going with this.

The reason you failed to follow is simply you are not as knowledgeable nor accept, nor open minded to diversity of the Arab world and the traditions ....

https://www.voanews.com/a/making-drinkin...79848.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi...-diplomats

[grotesqueness]

in God in our trust




in God we trust

[Manthink]

in God in our trust
in God we trust

Oh! This is not new...The Chinese has long ago appreciated the same Heavenly-trust long before USA or X'tianity existed.

Funni thing is, just like this Chinese tradition, the Yanks also love printing USD non-stop.. which de-values the $.

Which explains why all the zeros...000,000,000

Ah-Man!

[lvlrsSTI]

So 55% Americans dunt think the U.S. should be a Christian country?