Desperately seeking nurses: What can be done to retain them?
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https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/desper...g-shortage
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Money la and more money what else stupid article
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(07-08-2022, 04:36 PM)Sharexchange Wrote:  Money la and more money what else stupid article

Not always true leh.

Earlier this year, Ms Gerai Vito decided to give up her position as a nurse at a hospital in Singapore and move to Leeds in Britain, even though the take-home pay would be lower.

It was not a difficult decision, said Ms Vito, 34, who had worked for six years in Singapore. Her salary in Leeds is about the same as in Singapore - about $8,000 a month - but Britain's tax rate is higher.
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We need to breakdown the levels of hospital care

by adding Auxiliary Hospital, between PolyClinic and A&E gap

so that ITE students can handle the easier simpler tasks

not like 3 nurses for 3 shifts taking care of 30 patients after A&E process

can die!

Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers? 
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(07-08-2022, 04:43 PM)Levin Wrote:  Not always true leh.

Earlier this year, Ms Gerai Vito decided to give up her position as a nurse at a hospital in Singapore and move to Leeds in Britain, even though the take-home pay would be lower.

It was not a difficult decision, said Ms Vito, 34, who had worked for six years in Singapore. Her salary in Leeds is about the same as in Singapore - about $8,000 a month - but Britain's tax rate is higher.

Wow, a nurse in hospital can earn $8k a month in Singapore. Really?
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(07-08-2022, 05:01 PM)winbig Wrote:  Wow, a nurse in hospital can earn $8k a month in Singapore. Really?



Overpaid for FTrs. Better check her credentials and certificates although already left

Laughing
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(07-08-2022, 05:01 PM)winbig Wrote:  Wow, a nurse in hospital can earn $8k a month in Singapore. Really?

Perhaps she is among the highest rank 3%

https://www.singsaver.com.sg › blog › nurse-salary-guide-singapore
Nurse Salary Guide Singapore 2022 - How Much Can You Earn As A Nurse?
2 Feb 2022Following the announcement of phased increases of 5% to 14% in nurse's base salaries over 2021 and 2022, public healthcare institutions enacted a raise in July 2021. These are the latest base salaries: Enrolled Nurse - S$1,900. Registered Nurse (diploma qualifications) - S$2,500. Registered Nurse (degree qualifications) - S$3,350 to S ...

What Sg really need to expand the pool is at  Registered Nurse level and maybe also General Nursing Certificate where shortage is much more acute. 

Age is a factor, in particular in covid period, as younger is more than 10 times less likely to die of covid than above 60.
Many may retired before 62 yrs, below official 65yrs retirement age.
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(07-08-2022, 05:01 PM)winbig Wrote:  Wow, a nurse in hospital can earn $8k a month in Singapore. Really?

I think she reached the highest level for a nurse in Singapore. That's why she went to UK as there's room for her to move up as stated in the report even though the pay is the same and the income tax is higher

https://www.singsaver.com.sg/blog/nurse-...-singapore
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(07-08-2022, 07:34 PM)Levin Wrote:  I think she reached the highest level for a nurse in Singapore. That's why she went to UK as there's room for her to move up as stated in the report even though the pay is the same and the income tax is higher

https://www.singsaver.com.sg/blog/nurse-...-singapore

Not always true leh.

Ms Vito, who is from the Philippines, said that as a foreign nurse in Singapore, she had already reached a career ceiling. She was a senior staff nurse, and could not expect to be promoted unless she applied to become a permanent resident or citizen, which she found daunting.

Why she does not want to be a permanent resident so that she can get promoted ?
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(07-08-2022, 07:43 PM)forum456 Wrote:  Not always true leh.

Ms Vito, who is from the Philippines, said that as a foreign nurse in Singapore, she had already reached a career ceiling. She was a senior staff nurse, and could not expect to be promoted unless she applied to become a permanent resident or citizen, which she found daunting.

Why she does not want to be a permanent resident so that she can get promoted ?

No idea. Article just says "daunting". Maybe she cannot even get the PR even if she wanted to.
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(07-08-2022, 04:31 PM)Levin Wrote:  https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/desper...g-shortage

Do not believe reports that we have shortage of nurses or doctors or IT talents and we need to import them.
The reports are biased.

Just ask the govt on the below questions:
1) How many local applicants have applied to study nursing and how many are accepted ?
2) How many local applicants have applied to study medicine and how many are accepted ?
3) How many local applicants have applied to study IT and how many are accepted ?

My ground check shows that the applicants are always more the available places in the schools.
Many applicants are rejected due to limited places in schools.

The solution is to import education minister from India to solve IT shortage and import education minister from Philippines to solve nursing shortage.
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(07-08-2022, 07:51 PM)Levin Wrote:  No idea. Article just says "daunting". Maybe she cannot even get the PR even if she wanted to.

she did not even apply for it.
if not, she would say her application is unsuccessful.

can you guess why foreigners like her refuses to apply for PR ?
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Ms Vito is thinking the grass is greener in the UK. If no PR is a barrier, then she can apply for PR and she is likely to get it. The UK NHS is basically bankrupt and she won't get much bonus or increment as long as she is a nurse in the UK. And she thinks she can easily be promoted ahead of a white person as a UK nurse?
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(07-08-2022, 05:01 PM)winbig Wrote:  Wow, a nurse in hospital can earn $8k a month in Singapore. Really?

this was Vtio's BS. reporter never verified.
ppl here continue repeat the BS
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(07-08-2022, 07:55 PM)forum456 Wrote:  Do not believe reports that we have shortage of nurses or doctors or IT talents and we need to import them.
The reports are biased.

Just ask the govt on the below questions:
1) How many local applicants have applied to study nursing and how many are accepted ?
2) How many local applicants have applied to study medicine and how many are accepted ?
3) How many local applicants have applied to study IT and how many are accepted ?

My ground check shows that the applicants are always more the available places in the schools.
Many applicants are rejected due to limited places in schools.

The solution is to import education minister from India to solve IT shortage and import education minister from Philippines to solve nursing shortage.

Let quote a real case to illustrate.
A friend shared with me.

Below is the link that the govt agency WSG wants to convert locals to work in IT in finance industry due to shortage of IT talents
https://www.ibf.org.sg/programmes/Pages/TFIP.aspx

In 2021, there were about 200 to 300 vacancies available but there were over 1000 applicants.
In 2022, WSG increases the available vacancies to 700 but there are still over 1000 applicants.

So the news report that we are always short of IT talents are untrue.
They should report that there are excess of applicants to work in IT but the govt has insufficient mean to convert or educate them
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whenever the govt says we are shortage of talents, just ask the govt on how many have applied to study or convert and how many are successful.

if we are shortage of 1000 but the govt can only convert 200, we will forever be shortage of talents.
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Honestly, the cost of accommodation in Singapore is too high for these specialised foreign nurses to live.

if they can provide cheap purpose built accommodation for selected sectors such nursing professionals, this may be more favourable.
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(07-08-2022, 08:31 PM)toothpick Wrote:  Honestly, the cost of accommodation in Singapore is too high for these specialised foreign nurses to live.

if they can provide cheap purpose built accommodation for selected sectors such nursing professionals, this may be more favourable.

But like that all sectors will demand the same. How to cope.

1. I have served the nation in a combat unit for 2.5 + 10 years. I had fulfilled my duty as a citizen, but has the country do it's part for me?
2. I don't know where the threat of CCP is, but I know the threat of CECA is already at my doorsteps
3. I had been called a CCP, JHK, Pinoy, but they never called me a CECA..
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