Forum: Help retrenched young seniors get back into the workforce
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(21-02-2024, 01:49 PM)forum456 Wrote:  https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/for...-workforce

Having spent decades in the corporate world, I can safely say that management is rarely, if ever, swayed by ethical convictions when it comes to hiring or retaining older staff. The shorter cycles between economic growth and downturn is limiting new opportunities for employment as companies focus less on expansion and more on cost management. Over the past 3 decades, professionals, managers and executives have been entering the workforce later, owing to the pursuit of a university education and postgraduate qualifications. Unfortunately, many younger would-be employees these days are not deferring a career by choice; they are struggling to get a foot in the door.
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(21-02-2024, 02:28 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  Having spent decades in the corporate world, I can safely say that management is rarely, if ever, swayed by ethical convictions when it comes to hiring or retaining older staff. The shorter cycles between economic growth and downturn is limiting new opportunities for employment as companies focus less on expansion and more on cost management. Over the past 3 decades, professionals, managers and executives have been entering the workforce later, owing to the pursuit of a university education and postgraduate qualifications. Unfortunately, many younger would-be employees these days are not deferring a career by choice; they are struggling to get a foot in the door.


90% of employees in changi business park are foreigners.

if the govt can reduce the percentage to 50%, more singaporeans will be employed instead of foreigners
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(21-02-2024, 01:49 PM)forum456 Wrote:  https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/for...-workforce

it is very clear that unemployed singaporeans want to get jobs instead of temp handouts.

but PAP govt cannot provide enough jobs and resort to giving temp handouts.

ironically PAP govt keeps worrying about abuse of handouts but yet they cannot provide ebough jobs
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(21-02-2024, 02:35 PM)forum456 Wrote:  90% of employees in changi business park are foreigners. if the govt can reduce the percentage to 50%, more singaporeans will be employed instead of foreigners

It looks like Chennai Business Park

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(21-02-2024, 02:57 PM)forum456 Wrote:  it is very clear that unemployed singaporeans want to get jobs instead of temp handouts. but PAP govt cannot provide enough jobs and resort to giving temp handouts. ironically PAP govt keeps worrying about abuse of handouts but yet they cannot provide ebough jobs

It makes S'poreans wonder why our Govt has signed away more than 100,000 jobs to Indian nationals when so many citizens cannot find work. Keeping to this thread, discriminatory practices against older workers may even be seen by younger colleagues as necessary to resolve the growing problem of unemployment and underemployment among their cohort of degree holders. Junior employees with aspirations to climb the corporate ladder may see older co-workers as a hindrance to their ambitions. 
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(21-02-2024, 03:49 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  It makes S'poreans wonder why our Govt has signed away more than 100,000 jobs to Indian nationals when so many citizens cannot find work. Keeping to this thread, discriminatory practices against older workers may even be seen by younger colleagues as necessary to resolve the growing problem of unemployment and underemployment among their cohort of degree holders. Junior employees with aspirations to climb the corporate ladder may see older co-workers as a hindrance to their ambitions. 

how can the discrminatory practices be necessary if the older workers are more capable than the young workers ?

you cannot remove a more capable old worker and replace with a less capable young worker.

whether young or old, all should compete based on capability and competence.
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(21-02-2024, 03:59 PM)forum456 Wrote:  how can the discrminatory practices be necessary if the older workers are more capable than the young workers ? you cannot remove a more capable old worker and replace with a less capable young worker. whether young or old, all should compete based on capability and competence.

Most current white collar work is knowledge or technology based, so employees are theoretically able to continue their careers well into their sixties. However, most employers are reluctant to hire or even retain mature staff. Many seniors are prompted by caution to work longer to save for their retirement. However, in spite of changes to the Retirement and Re-employment Act, older workers are still not receiving the protection from discrimination by employers based on age rather than their ability. 
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(21-02-2024, 04:12 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  Most current white collar work is knowledge or technology based, so employees are theoretically able to continue their careers well into their sixties. However, most employers are reluctant to hire or even retain mature staff. Many seniors are prompted by caution to work longer to save for their retirement. However, in spite of changes to the Retirement and Re-employment Act, older workers are still not receiving the protection from discrimination by employers based on age rather than their ability. 

all the while, the problem is with the employers.
it has nothing to do with young employees because it is the capability that counts and not their young age.

the govt just needs to deal with the biased employers.

is the govt capable to deal with biased employers ?

so far, i think the govt is ignoring the problem unless the votes drop to 51%
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The next step is to stop hiring FTs for low and middle level office jobs which the Govt is relunctant. Instead of giving us handouts, just give 0.5% corporate rebate if companies have 30% of those 45 years old and above. I am sure the Companies will jump into this.
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靠山山倒,靠人人跑,靠自己最好lah. Rotfl

If you are a young senior, you have lost your job recently.
Good luck to you.
Most employers will look for young employees if you are going for a decent job

If they can’t get young local, they will go for Ftrashes.

If the company is full of CECAs, Sinkies will not work there.

“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"
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(21-02-2024, 03:49 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  It makes S'poreans wonder why our Govt has signed away more than 100,000 jobs to Indian nationals when so many citizens cannot find work. Keeping to this thread, discriminatory practices against older workers may even be seen by younger colleagues as necessary to resolve the growing problem of unemployment and underemployment among their cohort of degree holders. Junior employees with aspirations to climb the corporate ladder may see older co-workers as a hindrance to their ambitions. 




It is a FACT that  PAP always wanted us Displaced and be jobless 

Otherwise, why they OVER- import and hire FTs without checking. monitoring, reviewing policies or be transparent?

Other developed countries check like crazy before approving and even 1 year after FT gets deported



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Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers? 
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I believe job scope is important too. A lot of young seniors dun wanna hands on work liao. They prefer managing. How many such roles can be created? E.g everyone wanna be officers in army then foot soldiers who do? An army with officers more than foot soldiers?
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(21-02-2024, 07:13 PM)sgh Wrote:  I believe job scope is important too. A lot of young seniors dun wanna hands on work liao. They prefer managing. How many such roles can be created? E.g everyone wanna be officers in army then foot soldiers who do? An army with officers more than foot soldiers?

those who do not want to be jobless, they will want to be foot soldiers like sniper or guardman or commando or pilot or diver or special force.
the govt has responsibility to take care of them

those who want to be jobless and prefer managing , they are on their own and govt can ignore them.
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(21-02-2024, 02:35 PM)forum456 Wrote:  90% of employees in changi business park are foreigners.

if the govt can reduce the percentage to 50%, more singaporeans will be employed instead of foreigners

the main reason why we cannot get jobs is because these ah nehs will only employ their people.
That’s why Changi business park was so dark, in fact these had happened in many local industries n in every corners of sg. 🤬
the govt has to put their foot down on those in charge of recruitments but unfortunately they just wayang (ex skills-future, giving handouts….) n doesn’t seem to really care about it.
sg is probably the only country in this world that give more support to foreigners than to local singaporean in providing jobs.😭

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(21-02-2024, 08:06 PM)whylah Wrote:  the main reason why we cannot get jobs is because these ah nehs will only employ their people.
That’s why Changi business park was so dark, in fact these had happened in many local industries n in every corners of sg. 🤬
the govt has to put their foot down on those in charge of recruitments but unfortunately they just wayang (ex skills-future, giving handouts….) n doesn’t seem to really care about it.
sg is probably the only country in this world that give more support to foreigners than to local singaporean in providing jobs.😭


the problem is the govt, not the employers and not  the employees.

then why 60% voters still support such govt ?

in the end, the real problems are the 60% voters and the govt
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(21-02-2024, 08:13 PM)‘forum456 Wrote:  the problem is the govt, not the employers and not  the employees.

then why 60% voters still support such govt ?

in the end, the real problems are the 60% voters and the govt
as I have mentioned, sg is the only country in this world to give free flow of ah neh into our country to look for jobs. 
don’t think moddy will allow Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh n myanmar people to enter their country freely to get jobs while many of their people are jobless.
These are basic and yet very important especially for local to secure jobs because in sg, if our hands stop, that means our mouth also stop. (statement doesn’t apply for those elites.)
so I held this p@p 100% accountable for the whole mess in our country.
we elect a govt to run our country for our people, and it should be their 1st priority.

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It's a very difficult problem that no govt in the world could solve. In general, old people tend to have set ways that cannot be changed easily. It's also generally true that they are more resistant to change.

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(21-02-2024, 07:50 PM)forum456 Wrote:  those who do not want to be jobless, they will want to be foot soldiers like sniper or guardman or commando or pilot or diver or special force.
the govt has responsibility to take care of them

those who want to be jobless and prefer managing , they are on their own and govt can ignore them.

Physically, young will have its advantage that is some time we unable to change
So Govt need to plan properly how to tap on experience of older work force
Job and courses should tailor properly. 
A in detail plan to differentiate which fields for whom to be majority.

Some focus on Niche Some focus essential foundations.
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Only goverment intervention can fix this, but dream on.
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Govt built hawker centres

A lot of jobs for start-up hawker owners and food sellers

Many jobs for drivers too.
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NEA providing jobs for mosquitos inspectors to check breeding in every households and issue fine.

Jobs for checking hawker centres

And those rating food hygiene
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Pass a law mandatory all commercial buildings required one lift attendant per lift.

If building has 10 lifts, 10 lift attendants

2 shifts X10 = 20
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#24

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Singapore Govt does not provide safety net but it readily provide a trampoline.

Helping You bouncing ups and downs
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