Hamas proposes 3-stage ceasefire over 135 days, leading to end of war
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Hamas proposes 3-stage ceasefire over 135 days, leading to end of war

Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan that would quiet the guns in Gaza for four-and-a-half months leading to an end to the war, in response to a proposal sent last week by Qatari and Egyptian mediators and backed by the US and Israel.

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So where is the 2 state solution???
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(07-02-2024, 08:30 PM)Sentinel Wrote:  So where is the 2 state solution???
Two or three also no solution one?. Why is this last war?. Many years ago, how to stop.... Laughing
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(08-02-2024, 01:20 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  Two or three also no solution one?. Why is this last war?. Many years ago, how to stop.... Laughing

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(08-02-2024, 01:20 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  Two or three also no solution one?. Why is this last war?. Many years ago, how to stop.... Laughing
War is happening here there and everywhere, except
here..... Laughing
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What to expect when loser is proposing and not surrendering?

No face Liao. Talk so much about de-dollarisation,  yet issue USD bond to boost global dollar demand
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(08-02-2024, 02:31 PM)revealer Wrote:  What to expect when loser is  proposing and not surrendering?
DOHA – Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan that would quiet the guns in Gaza for 4½ months, during which all hostages would go free, Israel would withdraw its troops from the Gaza Strip. Agreement would be reached on an end to the war?.. Hanas, militant is a terror group’s is proposal – to Qatari and Egyptian – comes in the biggest diplomatic push for an extended halt to fighting, and was met with hope.
Israel’s Channel 13 cited a senior official saying some of demands Hamas were not acceptable to Israel. 
Previously said it will not pull its troops out until Hamas is wiped out. Report quoted unidentified official as saying Israeli authorities would debate whether to reject Hamas’s proposals outright or ask for alternative conditions.

Hamas offer document seen by Reuters confirmed by sources, appears to finesse Hamas’ long-standing demand for a full end to the war as a pre-condition before releasing hostages it seized on Oct 7 in the raid that precipitated Israel’s assault. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken mediators met Qatar, Egypt & Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss proposal, source close to negotiations said Hamas counter proposal did not require a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire, but an end to war would have to be agreed during truce b4 final hostages were freed.
A 2nd source said Hamas wanted guarantees fm Qatar, Egypt & friendly states a ceasefire must be upheld and not collapse as soon as hostages go free.

“They want aggression to stop & not temporarily, not where (Israelis) take the hostages and then war again (Palestinian / Hanas) people live in a grinder.”
Mr Ezzat El-Reshiq, a member of the Hamas political bureau, confirmed the offer had been passed via Egypt and Qatar to Israel and the U.S.. “We were keen to deal with it in a positive spirit to stop aggression against the Hanas terror Palestinian people to secure a complete lasting ceasefire??, as well as provide relief, aid, shelter and reconstruction,” Reuters news.

Document: first 45-day phase, all Israeli women hostages, males under 19 and the elderly and sick would be released, in exchange for the release of Palestinian women and children from Israeli jails,
also Israel must withdraw its troops from populated areas on the first phase. On 2nd phase would not begin until the sides conclude “indirect talks over the requirements needed to end mutual military ops and return to complete calm”.???. The 2nd phase include release of remaining male hostages and full Israeli withdrawal from all of Gaza.????. And Bodies and remains would be exchanged during the third phase.

More strikes, more bombing...“Every visit from Blinken, instead of calming things down, it just makes things worse, we get more strikes, we get more bombing,” said Israel began its military offensive after terror from Hamas-ruled Gaza killed 1,200 people and took 253 hostages in southern Israel on Oct 7, at least 27,585 Palestinians have been confirmed killed in Israel’s military campaign, with thousands more feared buried under rubble.

So far, the only truce lasted just a week at the end of November. PM Netanyahu is under pressure from far-right members of his coalition govt who say they will quit rather than endorse any deal that fails to eradicate Hamas from families of hostages who demand a no deal to bring them home.

Washington cast hostage truce deal as part of plans for a wider resolution on Middle East conflict, ultimately leading to reconciliation between Israel and Arab neighbours & hope to creation a Palestinian state, “working hard as we possibly can to try to get an agreement to move forward – not only a renewed but expanded agreement on hostages – benefits that that would bring with it,” Mr Blinken said at news conference in Doha late on Feb 6.

PM Netanyahu has rejected a Palestinian state...., 
in his msg to Hanas terror group's and...
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/hamas...end-of-war
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Latest on Israel-Hamas war...on Hanas 

PM Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed Hamas’ proposals for a ceasefire and hostage deal in Gaza, saying Israel hasn't committed to any of the group's "delusional demands." The dismissal, is a setback to diplomatic efforts to pause war, comes as Secretary of State Antony Blinken met with Netanyahu Wed.

Hamas will send a team to Cairo on Thur to follow up on counter proposal it offered. As US drone strike in Baghdad killed a Kataib Hezbollah commander who US Central Command said was responsible for attacks on American forces in the region.

Morning in Gaza. PM Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed Hamas’ proposals for a ceasefire and hostage deal in Gaza, saying Israel hasn't committed to any of the group's "delusional demands." Meanwhile Blinken discussed latest developments with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah.

Here are the latest developments:
Hamas delegation will travel to Cairo: Hamas will send a delegation to Cairo Thursday to follow up on the counterproposal it offered, the group's spokesperson Osama Hamdan said in Beirut. He described the Hamas counterproposal as a "positive response" that "guarantees reconstruction, lifting the siege, and releasing prisoners."

US targets Kataib Hezbollah commander: A US military strike in Baghdad killed  Wisam Mohammed Saber al-Saedi, a Kataib Hezbollah commander who was responsible for attacks on American forces in the region, according to US Central Command. According to a Biden administration official, there's more to come in response to the deaths of three US soldiers in Jordan.

US raises concern over Israel's operations in Rafah: Blinken raised concerns about a potential expansion of Israeli military operations into Gaza’s southern city of Rafah during meetings with Netanyahu and other top Israeli officials, two Israeli officials told CNN. United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres expressed concerns over the escalating humanitarian crisis in Rafah, saying an extension of Israeli operations there would have "disastrous" repercussions.

Israel-based human rights organizations call for ceasefire: A statement published jointly by 17 Israeli-based groups called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. The organizations said that 120 days of war have caused "unfathomable death and destruction," decimated health care systems, created a lack of food supply and clean drinking water and displaced civilians in Gaza. It called on the involved parties to "reach an immediate ceasefire." February 8, 2024.

War continue in Iraq, a warning to US after drone strike kills militia commander in Baghdad. Undecided
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news...index.html
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Israel PM Netanyahu dismisses Hamas demand for ceasefire, orders troops to southern Gaza
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Iraq was not notified of of U.S. (Baghdad) strike on Kataib Hezbollah commander until shortly after, US official says. Official said a notification of the strike prior would not have been provided out of operational security concerns.

Official added the strike was in planning “from 1st day the moment the U.S. president directed the military to review options” following the Jordan attack killed Kataib Hezbollah commander in Iraq responsible for attacks on American forces.

US military strike killed a Kataib Hezbollah commander in Iraq on Wednesday evening who was responsible for attacks on US forces in the region, according to US Central Command. The attack was carried out by a drone that hit a SUV in Al-Mashtal, a predominantly Shia neighborhood eastern Baghdad, two people who were inside vehicle have not been identified b'cos bodies were completely charred by a fire that erupted fm strike, the identity of commander has not yet released, but 3-US officials told CNN the US targeted Wisam Mohammed Saber al-Saedi. A senior local security source, is a senior with Iraqi Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) told CNN that a senior leader with Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah militia was be killed in the attack.

Kataib Hezbollah is considered one of the most powerful Iran-backed militia in Iraq, part of a state-sponsored consortium of militias in the country known as the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMU) — many of them is Shia militias — they maintain security there. senior iran leader said. Kataib Hezbollah released a statement mourning al-Saedi Thursday morning (Baghdad time.) The militant group said al-Saedi’s death “calls us to remain steadfast in the jihadist approach.”

Latest News12:50 a.m. February 8, 2024
"Won’t be any hostages to release" if Israel maintains plan to eliminate Hamas, former hostage says.
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(08-02-2024, 04:31 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  Iraq was not notified of of U.S. (Baghdad) strike on Kataib Hezbollah commander until shortly after, US official says. Official said a notification of the strike prior would not have been provided out of operational security concerns.

Official added the strike was in planning “from 1st day the moment the U.S. president directed the military to review options” following the Jordan attack killed Kataib Hezbollah commander in Iraq responsible for attacks on American forces.

US military strike killed a Kataib Hezbollah commander in Iraq on Wednesday evening who was responsible for attacks on US forces in the region, according to US Central Command. The attack was carried out by a drone that hit a SUV in Al-Mashtal, a predominantly Shia neighborhood eastern Baghdad, two people who were inside vehicle have not been identified b'cos bodies were completely charred by a fire that erupted fm strike, the identity of commander has not yet released, but 3-US officials told CNN the US targeted Wisam Mohammed Saber al-Saedi. A senior local security source, is a senior with Iraqi Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) told CNN that a senior leader with Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah militia was be killed in the attack.

Kataib Hezbollah is considered one of the most powerful Iran-backed militia in Iraq, part of a state-sponsored consortium of militias in the country known as the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMU) — many of them is Shia militias — they maintain security there. senior iran leader said. Kataib Hezbollah released a statement mourning al-Saedi Thursday morning (Baghdad time.) The militant group said al-Saedi’s death “calls us to remain steadfast in the jihadist approach.”
Latest News12:50 a.m. February 8, 2024
"Won’t be any hostages to release" if Israel maintains plan to eliminate Hamas, former hostage says.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news...index.html
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Israel’s war on Gaza updates: No end to war without ‘victory’ – Netanyahu

1( It includes Israel to withdrawal of Israeli forces and phased-exchange of Palestinian prisoners for Israeli captives in Gaza.

2) Hamas told Al Jazeera “reasonable and realistic” counterproposal specifies deadlines and any disagreements could be “ironed out” through negotiations.

3) B'cos...at least 27,708 people have been killed and 67,147 wounded in Israeli attacks on since October 7. death toll for Israel/Hamas attacks stands at 1,139.

Closing the live blog soon. Here’s a review of the day’s main events here.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/...-continues
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(07-02-2024, 08:34 PM)grotesqueness Wrote:  [Image: mr-bean-too-easy.gif]
2X, it fail as Senate try advanced aid package

Ukraine & Israel a day after Republicans blocked a larger bipartisan border security and foreign aid bill. Pushing through an initial hurdle, lawmakers voted 67-32 to consider the $95b (£75.2b) aid package. The Democrats are in favour of passing the aid, but Republicans remain divided, new bill strips several US border measures $118b bipartisan package, but
Senate Republicans voted down on Wednesday.

Fate Latest version: Remains unclear,  there is still much disagreement among Republican senators that could cause process to drag on for days. US biggest provider aid is Ukraine, has been unable to provide further aid since Dec-2023 b'cos of political gridlock in Congress. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer - who drafted measure called the vote a "good first step" & pledged to "keep working on this bill - until the job is done" bill includes $60bn military aid for Ukraine & $14.1bn in security assistance for Israel, also provides $9.15bn in humanitarian funding for civilians in countries facing conflict.

After rejecting the initial bill, Senate Republicans have now agreed to consider this foreign aid version of the measure. They have kept open the possibility of making further changes, however.

It's possible Republicans could add some border measures were stripped out of the original bill, or remove some elements of the funding the legislation would provide. White House had asked Congress mth ago to pass bill that included foreign aid. Their proposal mirrors the one now under consideration. Republican lawmakers had demanded any bill be linked to strict border security measures, citing a crisis at southern border. 

Negotiations over those provisions slowed process & flow of aid for months.
But after former President Donald Trump recently attacked the agreement reached by a bipartisan group of senators, several Republicans rejected the new bill. In this latest vote, 17 Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, voted in favour of advancing this stripped down bill.

Sen Jim Lankford - an Oklahoma Republican who helped lead negotiations for the border bill - opposed the stand-alone measure, alongside independent Sen. Bernie Sanders and Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky."I want to be here a week, b'cos I want to talk what a disaster the bill is & what a mistake it is to send our money to other countries before we fix our own problems here," said Mr Paul, who pledged to slow the process further.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68246566
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(09-02-2024, 05:31 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  2X, it fail as Senate try advanced aid package

Ukraine & Israel a day after Republicans blocked a larger bipartisan border security and foreign aid bill. Pushing through an initial hurdle, lawmakers voted 67-32 to consider the $95b (£75.2b) aid package. The Democrats are in favour of passing the aid, but Republicans remain divided, new bill strips several US border measures $118b bipartisan package, but
Senate Republicans voted down on Wednesday.

Fate Latest version: Remains unclear,  there is still much disagreement among Republican senators that could cause process to drag on for days. US biggest provider aid is Ukraine, has been unable to provide further aid since Dec-2023 b'cos of political gridlock in Congress. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer - who drafted measure called the vote a "good first step" & pledged to "keep working on this bill - until the job is done" bill includes $60bn military aid for Ukraine & $14.1bn in security assistance for Israel, also provides $9.15bn in humanitarian funding for civilians in countries facing conflict.

After rejecting the initial bill, Senate Republicans have now agreed to consider this foreign aid version of the measure. They have kept open the possibility of making further changes, however.

It's possible Republicans could add some border measures were stripped out of the original bill, or remove some elements of the funding the legislation would provide. White House had asked Congress mth ago to pass bill that included foreign aid. Their proposal mirrors the one now under consideration. Republican lawmakers had demanded any bill be linked to strict border security measures, citing a crisis at southern border. 

Negotiations over those provisions slowed process & flow of aid for months.
But after former President Donald Trump recently attacked the agreement reached by a bipartisan group of senators, several Republicans rejected the new bill. In this latest vote, 17 Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, voted in favour of advancing this stripped down bill.

Sen Jim Lankford - an Oklahoma Republican who helped lead negotiations for the border bill - opposed the stand-alone measure, alongside independent Sen. Bernie Sanders and Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky."I want to be here a week, b'cos I want to talk what a disaster the bill is & what a mistake it is to send our money to other countries before we fix our own problems here," said Mr Paul, who pledged to slow the process further.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68246566
US Senate passes US$95 billion foreign aid bill for Ukraine, Israel. Trillion) foreign aid bill on Thursday (Feb. 8). In a 67-32 vote, the foreign aid bill passed the US Senate, per Reuters . The bill comes as a US$118 billion bipartisan border deal failed to pass the Senate.

The bill calls for US$61 billion for Ukraine, US$14 billion for Israel, and US$4.83 billion for Taiwan and other partners in the Indo-Pacific. Additionally, the bill will allocate US$9.15 billion in aid for humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza, the West Bank, and other conflict zones around the world.

Senator Chuck Schumer said, "This is a good first step. This bill is essential for our national security, for the security of our friends in Ukraine, in Israel, for humanitarian aid for innocent civilians in Gaza, and for Taiwan."

"We are going to keep working on this bill until the job is done," he added. It is expected that the Senate will take several days to negotiate the final version of the aid bill, though how it will fare in the House of Representatives remains to be seen.
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(09-02-2024, 05:31 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  2X, it fail as Senate try advanced aid package

Ukraine & Israel a day after Republicans blocked a larger bipartisan border security and foreign aid bill. Pushing through an initial hurdle, lawmakers voted 67-32 to consider the $95b (£75.2b) aid package. The Democrats are in favour of passing the aid, but Republicans remain divided, new bill strips several US border measures $118b bipartisan package, but
Senate Republicans voted down on Wednesday.

Fate Latest version: Remains unclear,  there is still much disagreement among Republican senators that could cause process to drag on for days. US biggest provider aid is Ukraine, has been unable to provide further aid since Dec-2023 b'cos of political gridlock in Congress. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer - who drafted measure called the vote a "good first step" & pledged to "keep working on this bill - until the job is done" bill includes $60bn military aid for Ukraine & $14.1bn in security assistance for Israel, also provides $9.15bn in humanitarian funding for civilians in countries facing conflict.

After rejecting the initial bill, Senate Republicans have now agreed to consider this foreign aid version of the measure. They have kept open the possibility of making further changes, however.

It's possible Republicans could add some border measures were stripped out of the original bill, or remove some elements of the funding the legislation would provide. White House had asked Congress mth ago to pass bill that included foreign aid. Their proposal mirrors the one now under consideration. Republican lawmakers had demanded any bill be linked to strict border security measures, citing a crisis at southern border. 

Negotiations over those provisions slowed process & flow of aid for months.
But after former President Donald Trump recently attacked the agreement reached by a bipartisan group of senators, several Republicans rejected the new bill. In this latest vote, 17 Republicans, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, voted in favour of advancing this stripped down bill.

Sen Jim Lankford - an Oklahoma Republican who helped lead negotiations for the border bill - opposed the stand-alone measure, alongside independent Sen. Bernie Sanders and Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky."I want to be here a week, b'cos I want to talk what a disaster the bill is & what a mistake it is to send our money to other countries before we fix our own problems here," said Mr Paul, who pledged to slow the process further.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68246566

aiyah


you dont work in the pentagon

USA president can unanimously take $47b and give it to israel "under the table"

USA president in the past has done it before
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Rand Paul drags out Senate effort to pass $95 billion foreign aid package.

Senate is working to pass a $95.3 billion foreign aid bill with assistance for Ukraine and Israel, but it may be days until a final vote as GOP Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky is using arcane and complex chamber rules to slow down the process into the weekend.

The chamber cleared a critical 60-vote threshold to advance the bill on Thursday, and took another procedural vote Friday night. But without an agreement from all 100 senators to speed up the process and swiftly pass the legislation, the Senate is expected to work through the weekend with a final vote next week.

“I think we should stay here as long as it takes,” Paul told CNN’s Manu Raju on Thursday. “If it takes a week or a month, I’ll force them to stay here to discuss why they think the border of Ukraine is more important than the US border.”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/09/politics/...index.html
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(08-02-2024, 04:53 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  Israel’s war on Gaza updates: No end to war without ‘victory’ – Netanyahu

1( It includes Israel to withdrawal of Israeli forces and phased-exchange of Palestinian prisoners for Israeli captives in Gaza.

2) Hamas told Al Jazeera “reasonable and realistic” counterproposal specifies deadlines and any disagreements could be “ironed out” through negotiations.

3) B'cos...at least 27,708 people have been killed and 67,147 wounded in Israeli attacks on since October 7. death toll for Israel/Hamas attacks stands at 1,139.

Closing the live blog soon. Here’s a review of the day’s main events here.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/...-continues
IDF, ops @Al-Amal carried out in coordination with hospital staff as troops scanned premises “accurate & selective way,” without opening fire & not to disrupt hospital’s functioning, IDF says no staff or patients were harmed in operation, IDF says troops nabbed some 20 terror operatives who were holed up@Al-Amal Hospital southern Gaza’s Khan Younis.

20 terror operatives, including Hamas members, who were hiding in hospital were brought to Israel for further questioning. According to the IDF, the operation at Al-Amal was carried out in coordination with hospital staff, it troops scanned premises in an “accurate selective way,” without opening fire as not to disrupt hospital’s functioning, no staff or patients were harmed in the operation. After the raid, the IDF facilitated delivery more than 20 oxygen tanks and other medical equipment to the hospital.

The IDF says troops were briefed before the ops on “the importance of preventing harm to patients and medical staff, civilians, and medical equipment, in accordance with international law.”

Israel Givati Infantry Brigade, Navy’s Shayetet 13 commando unit & other special forces operated in the area of hospital over past week, following intelligence information of Hamas’s used of the premises.

“This operation again proves cynical modus operandi of Hamas terror organization, using hospitals and civilian population to hide terrorists,” IDF says.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_e...an-younis/
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(08-02-2024, 02:31 PM)revealer Wrote:  What to expect when loser is  proposing and not surrendering?
Inside about Times of Israel. A subterranean Hamas data center underneath Under UNRWA's headquarters in Gaza City. A tunnel leading to a Hamas data center, uncovered by IDF in Gaza City, troops from Yahalom combat engineering lower a camera into a tunnel shaft dug in courtyard of UNRWA's Gaza HQ, to reach a Hamas underground electrical room, An electrical room serving as underground Hamas data center, beneath UNRWA HQ Gaz city.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Beneath the Gaza Strip HQ. A controversial United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees, known commonly as UNRWA, the Hamas terror grp hid one of its most significant assets, the Israeli military has revealed. The subterranean data center — complete with an electrical room, industrial battery power banks and living quarters for Hamas terrorists operating computer servers built precisely under the location where Israel would not consider looking initially, let alone target in an airstrike.

The revelation of the server farm comes amid other accusations of UN-RWA collusion with Gaza-ruling terror group entanglement of UN body that provides welfare, humanitarian services for Palestinian refugees from 1948 &1967 wars & their descendants.

Israel last month accused 12 staff with the UN Palestinian refugee agency of taking part in the October 7 massacre by Hamas-led terrorists, who killed 1,200 people and took 253 hostages in the murderous rampage. Since the allegations became public late last month, UNRWA has seen many of its top donor countries announce funding freezes, leading to concerns agency could stop operating in Gaza and elsewhere in Middle East within weeks.

Israel IDF’s recent discovery a Hamas data ctr under UN-RWA is been increased scrutiny, isit just a merely coincidence??. 

A tunnel leading to a Hamas terror data center, uncovered by the IDF in Gaza City as soldier stands in a Hamas tunnel underneath an UNRWA school in Gaza City. Directly beneath UN-RWA’s Gaza HQ.

Uncovers top secret Hamas data ctr. 
Subterranean facility used by terror group’s intelligence needs, beneath UN complex in upscale Rimal neighborhood, discovered & IDF's interrogations those Hamas prisoners.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-b...st_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=3
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(08-02-2024, 03:53 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  DOHA: Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan, would quiet the guns in Gaza oni for 4½ months, which all hostages would go free, if Israel would withdraw its troops from Gaza Strip.

Agreement would be oni reached on an end to the war
?. Hamas militant"s a terror group’s is proposal? – Qatari & Egyptian biggest diplomatic push to extended halt to fighting, met with hope.

Israel’s Ch 13 cited said some demands Hamas were not acceptable to Israel. 

Previously Israel said will not pull troops out until Hamas is wiped out. Report quoted unidentified saying Israeli authorities would debate to reject or else on Hamas’s proposals outright or ask for alternative & other's conditions.

Hamas offer document seen by Reuters confirmed by sources, appears to finesse Hamas’ long-standing demand for full end to war. as a pre-condition before releasing hostage seized on Oct 7 in raid that precipitated Israel’s assault. 

US Secretary of State Antony Blinke met Qatar, Egypt & Israeli PM B.Netanyahu to discuss proposal, source close to negotiations said Hamas counter proposal did not require a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire, but an end to war would have to be agreed during truce b4 final hostages were freed.

A 2nd source said Hamas wanted guarantees fm Qatar, Egypt & friendly states a ceasefire must be upheld and not collapse as soon as hostages go free.

“They want aggression to stop & not temporarily, not where (Israelis) take the hostages and then war again (Palestinian / Hanas) people live in a grinder.”Mr Ezzat El-Reshiq, a member of the Hamas political bureau, confirmed the offer had been passed via Egypt and Qatar to Israel and the U.S.. “We were keen to deal with it in a positive spirit to stop aggression against the Hanas terror Palestinian people to secure a complete lasting ceasefire??, as well as provide relief, aid, shelter and reconstruction,” Reuters news.

Document: first 45-day phase, all Israeli women hostages, males under 19 and the elderly and sick would be released, in exchange for the release of Palestinian women and children from Israeli jails,
also Israel must withdraw its troops from populated areas on the first phase. On 2nd phase would not begin until the sides conclude “indirect talks over the requirements needed to end mutual military ops and return to complete calm”.???. The 2nd phase include release of remaining male hostages and full Israeli withdrawal from all of Gaza.????. And Bodies and remains would be exchanged during the third phase.

More strikes, more bombing...“Every visit from Blinken, instead of calming things down, it just makes things worse, we get more strikes, we get more bombing,” said Israel began its military offensive after terror from Hamas-ruled Gaza killed 1,200 people and took 253 hostages in southern Israel on Oct 7, at least 27,585 Palestinians have been confirmed killed in Israel’s military campaign, with thousands more feared buried under rubble.

So far, the only truce lasted just a week at the end of November. PM Netanyahu is under pressure from far-right members of his coalition govt who say they will quit rather than endorse any deal that fails to eradicate Hamas from families of hostages who demand a no deal to bring them home.

Washington cast hostage truce deal as part of plans for a wider resolution on Middle East conflict, ultimately leading to reconciliation between Israel and Arab neighbours & hope to creation a Palestinian state, “working hard as we possibly can to try to get an agreement to move forward – not only a renewed but expanded agreement on hostages – benefits that that would bring with it,” Mr Blinken said at news conference in Doha late on Feb 6.

PM Netanyahu has rejected a Palestinian state....in his msg to Hanas terror group's and...
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/hamas...end-of-war
According to spokesperson for Al Aqsa Martyrs Hospital. The Egypt is building a massive, miles-wide, buffer zone wall along its border with Gaza, new satellite imagery shows wall is said to be 5 meters (16 feet) high. Israel said its special forces raided Gaza's Nasser Hospital largest functioning hospital in enclave, Thursday after laying siege to the facility for days... crying
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(16-02-2024, 12:33 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  According to spokesperson for Al Aqsa Martyrs Hospital. The Egypt is building a massive, miles-wide, buffer zone wall along its border with Gaza, new satellite imagery shows wall is said to be 5 meters (16 feet) high. Israel said its special forces raided Gaza's Nasser Hospital largest functioning hospital in enclave, Thursday after laying siege to the facility for days... crying
Rafah images show huge blast craters close to camps

latest satellite images, taken on 14 February, several craters can be seen near the site of the operation.

BBC Verify analysed a video provided by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) of the rescue and located the operation to a district of Rafah where there are many plastic greenhouses. Several of the greenhouses, as well as other nearby buildings, have been destroyed.

The latest satellite images show how close strikes were to areas filled with temporary structures housing people who have been forced from their homes. Israel has repeatedly told Palestinians living in north and central Gaza to move south for their own safety - but fighting has now come to these very areas.

IDF say it is targeting Hamas fighters who operate there. Existing tent cities grow and new ones emerge
Rafah's population is thought to have increased five-fold in the months following the 7 October Hamas attacks, with 1.5 million people now estimated to be living there. Vast spaces there have been filled with tents, including a main road.

From above, you can see that a main highway through Rafah has been clogged with temporary structures and blocked off to traffic.

Makeshift tent sites expand across Al-Mawasi
Al-Mawasi is a narrow strip of land by Mediterranean Sea near coast in southern Gaza. Israeli officials instructed people to take shelter in the area in the first two months of the war in Gaza. Before the conflict it largely consisted of sandy dunes and agricultural land, but now temporary structures have increasingly been built along the coast. A large area in the east - once completely empty - is also now filled with tents
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68306915
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(07-02-2024, 08:34 PM)grotesqueness Wrote:  [Image: mr-bean-too-easy.gif]
Conversation(8) Discussions are moderated for civility. Read guidelines here..... Clapping
HermanRotenberg (10h ago)
The IDF has been right all along

sheifets (9h ago)
Yes sure and didn’t you forget to mention that it’s only shows how human hostage takers are even providing medical care to their “temporary guests “?

jbclimer105 (9h ago)
Now do see, these animals can't be trusted to keep their word on anything.

mikebygate1 (28m ag
Looking after their captives instead of killing children, makes you wonder if the IDF didn’t commit the hostage abduction in the first place , odd how they ignored the warnings from their own intelligence agencies before hand eh ...Maybe pu... Tongue

iamlazaruz (27m ago)
Propaganda is not an idf specialty. The rest of the world just laughs at this nonsense it seems the only ones to believe this joke is the isrealis. Normally idf just blow up their hostages, now. Heck the rubble for blown up hostages. I'm s... Thinking

(This is a good point to note Clapping ) Maybe do some actual research on the internet instead of trying to taunt the IDF. (It's...is good)

lolaperes (7h ago)
The released hostages gave testimony that they were being drugged. Only idiots would believed they were receiving "healthcare.".... Sad

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_e...spital-op/
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Israel’s war on Gaza live: Hamas doubles down on truce terms.

 Hamas political chief says “resistance will not agree to anything less” than a lasting ceasefire, troop withdrawal, and end to the “total siege” of Gaza.

Palestinians in the the southern Gazan city of Rafah are fleeing towards northern Deir al Balah amid an anticipated Israeli ground operation. War cabinet minister Benny Gantz said Israel would continue its offensive until all hostages are freed.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news...index.html
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ICJ demands implementation of Gaza measures, but no new action on Rafah. Top UN court notes ‘perilous’ situation but rejects South African request to order urgent measure to safeguard civilians.

United Nations court said that it notes the “perilous” situation in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, but has declined South Africa’s request for urgent measures to safeguard Palestinians being threatened by an Israeli ground assault there.

“The Court notes that the most recent developments in the Gaza Strip, and in Rafah in particular, ‘would exponentially increase what is already a humanitarian nightmare with untold regional consequences’, as stated by the United Nations Secretary-General,” the International Court of Justice (ICJ) said in a statement on Friday.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/16...n-on-rafah
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(08-02-2024, 02:31 PM)revealer Wrote:  What to expect when loser is  proposing and not surrendering?

When there is a war, thousands of people will die. It is not something that can be resolved by proposing or can be mediated by negotiations or by quoting or using international laws. The hatred is deep down and would take many many years or even a few generations to forget what happened. Very likely the proposal will not be accepted.



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(18-02-2024, 06:42 PM)teaserteam Wrote:  When there is a war,  thousands of people will die.  It is not something that can be resolved by proposing or can be mediated by negotiations or by quoting or using international laws.  The hatred is deep down and would take many many years or even a few generations to forget what happened.  Very likely the proposal will not be accepted.
Huge Group of Enemy Members Trapped & Caught by Israeli Special Forces inside Gaza Hospital!. 
https://youtu.be/HtbJgTo2qOA?si=2UPlFjVNDXbNKj1d
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(08-02-2024, 04:24 PM)grotesqueness Wrote:  https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/ne...za-4108086

Israel PM Netanyahu dismisses Hamas demand for ceasefire, orders troops to southern Gaza
1) War cabinet minister Benny Gantz said Israeli forces would expand military operations in the southern Gaza city of Rafah if hostages held by Hamas are not returned by the start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

2) Some Palestinians have fled Rafah for central city of Deir al-Balah, but strikes there killed dozens of people over wk-end, a local hospital says. Israel said it struck Hamas targets in the area.

3 and..) Nasser Hospital, which had been the largest functioning medical center in Gaza, is now out of service due to a raid by Israeli forces, the WHO and Hamas-run health ministry said Sunday.

4) The Israeli arrested about 70 health care workers & trapped others in complex without electricity, food or water. The Israeli military claims it has evidence of Hamas operating at Nasser, which the Hamas group denies.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news...index.html
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(08-02-2024, 04:10 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  Latest on Israel-Hamas war...on Hanas 

PM Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed Hamas’ proposals for a ceasefire and hostage deal in Gaza, saying Israel hasn't committed to any of the group's "delusional demands." The dismissal, is a setback to diplomatic efforts to pause war, comes as Secretary of State Antony Blinken met with Netanyahu Wed.

Hamas will send a team to Cairo on Thur to follow up on counter proposal it offered. As US drone strike in Baghdad killed a Kataib Hezbollah commander who US Central Command said was responsible for attacks on American forces in the region.

Morning in Gaza. PM Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed Hamas’ proposals for a ceasefire and hostage deal in Gaza, saying Israel hasn't committed to any of the group's "delusional demands." Meanwhile Blinken discussed latest developments with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah.

Here are the latest developments:
Hamas delegation will travel to Cairo: Hamas will send a delegation to Cairo Thursday to follow up on the counterproposal it offered, the group's spokesperson Osama Hamdan said in Beirut. He described the Hamas counterproposal as a "positive response" that "guarantees reconstruction, lifting the siege, and releasing prisoners."

US targets Kataib Hezbollah commander: A US military strike in Baghdad killed  Wisam Mohammed Saber al-Saedi, a Kataib Hezbollah commander who was responsible for attacks on American forces in the region, according to US Central Command. According to a Biden administration official, there's more to come in response to the deaths of three US soldiers in Jordan.

US raises concern over Israel's operations in Rafah: Blinken raised concerns about a potential expansion of Israeli military operations into Gaza’s southern city of Rafah during meetings with Netanyahu and other top Israeli officials, two Israeli officials told CNN. United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres expressed concerns over the escalating humanitarian crisis in Rafah, saying an extension of Israeli operations there would have "disastrous" repercussions.

Israel-based human rights organizations call for ceasefire: A statement published jointly by 17 Israeli-based groups called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. The organizations said that 120 days of war have caused "unfathomable death and destruction," decimated health care systems, created a lack of food supply and clean drinking water and displaced civilians in Gaza. It called on the involved parties to "reach an immediate ceasefire." February 8, 2024.

War continue in Iraq, a warning to US after drone strike kills militia commander in Baghdad. Undecided
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news...index.html
JERUSALEM: Israel will launch its long-threatened offensive against Rafah next month if Hamas has not freed the remaining hostages held in Gaza by the start of Ramadan, Israeli war Cabinet member Benny Gantz said. "The world must know, and Hamas leaders must know.
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Palestinian factions to meet in Moscow as west rejects Hamas role in ruling Gaza after war
Palestinian Authority ‘ready to engage’, says PM ahead of talks on formation of new Gaza.


Western powers have rejected suggestions that Hamas as an entity can be allowed a role in governing Gaza at the end of the war, saying only that they recognise that Palestinian militancy will still exist.

Speculation that a weakened Hamas might be willing to form a partnership with the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority, and govern Gaza and the West Bank jointly, have been revived by a Russian invitation for Palestinian factions to meet in Moscow on 26 February.

The news of the meeting was confirmed by the Palestinian Authority prime minister, Mohammad Shtayyeh, at the Munich security conference.

“We are ready to engage. If Hamas is not, then that’s a different story. We need Palestinian unity,” he said, adding that to be part of that unity, Hamas needed to meet certain prerequisites.

But French officials said they did not want Hamas in its current form given a role in governing Palestine after the 7 October attacks. The officials acknowledged that its ideas could not be obliterated.

The UK wants to see the Hamas military dismantled so that it no longer poses a threat to Israel, and for its leadership to go into exile, preferring a technocratic leadership inside a demilitarised governing authority to take charge pending elections.

Hamas, if it attends the Moscow talks, would like the discussion to focus on reviving a committee of Palestinian factions as a step in rebuilding the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the formation of a technocratic government, until conditions allow for holding elections.

It would also like to see the current Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas, step down.

Hamas has run Gaza since 2007, when it expelled the PA following its win in elections the previous year, and unlike the PA does not believe in a two-state solution since this would require the recognition of Israel. The PA in the West Bank does recognise Israel, but is widely seen as in need of reform and democratic accountability.

Although western powers are at loggerheads with Russia over many issues, many western officials do not believe Moscow is playing a disruptive role in Gaza. The issue is made more complex by different Arab states holding different views on the future of Hamas. Qatar, for instance, thinks Hamas will survive in some form, and that its existence cannot be denied.

But the Egyptian foreign minister, Sameh Shoukry, said Hamas “was outside the accepted majority of Palestinian people”, including over the recognition of Israel.

He added: “There must also be accountability about why Hamas was empowered in Gaza, and why it was financed in Gaza to reinforce the division between Hamas and the rest of the mainstream of the remaining peace-making Palestinian entities, whether it is the Palestinian Authority, the Palestine Liberation Organization, or public opinion.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/f...-after-war
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(10-02-2024, 05:47 PM)grotesqueness Wrote:  aiyah

you dont work in the pentagon

USA president can unanimously take $47b and give it to israel "under the table"

USA president in the past has done it before
Kana from Putin's
Former Ukrainian president Poroshenko's chocolate factory in Lipetsk, Russia, is nationalised... Tongue
District Court in Lipetsk, Russia, seized shares in the former Roshen confectionery factory in Lipetsk and the authorised capital of the trading enterprise Roshen LLC.

Source: The judicial authorities in Lipetsk reported by liga.net...The details: is court also barred founder of Roshen, Ukrainian MP who is also ex-president Petro Poroshenko, his son Oleksii Poroshenko & Oleg Kazakov, former director of Lipetsk confectionery factory, from operating in the Russian Federation. This meaming mean. crying
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