[RichDad]

We need more people to speak out....


https://fb.watch/9gqhRhZGpD/

[sgbuffett]

She said she goes with the science....however what the science says is different from what she is saying.

She said she is worried about long term effects and we won't know.

I often hear the about statement when it comes to covid19 vaccine.

It seems the only way to satisfactorily answer this question is to wait 10yrs after 10yrs some people will say wait 20yrs because we still won't know.

We are in a pandemic so obviously this is not going to work......

In the expertise of vaccination and medical experts they have a series of tests and examinations done on people who are vaccinated to know if the vaccine will have long term effects without waiting for 10yrs.

So far no vaccine that has been declared safe and rolled out has ever had long term effects. So it is not scientific to predict there will be such effects.

What is happening is there is fear. No matter how much reasoning and logic is applied it cannot overcome fear in some people.

I remember outward bound we were suppose to do a walk on tree top and there is safety harness and a big safety net...but some people refuse go do it out of fear although we can see all the safety is in place.

If there is any fear of mRNA vaccine, there is also inactivated virus traditional vaccines like Sinovac and Sinopharm...almost 1 billion people have taken these.

I find it very hard to reason people to do anything once there is fear.

Fear cannot be overcome by logical thinking it is internal limitation of people

[RichDad]

She said she goes with the science....however what the science says is different from what she is saying.

She said she is worried about long term effects and we won't know.

I often hear the about statement when it comes to covid19 vaccine.

It seems the only way to satisfactorily answer this question is to wait 10yrs after 10yrs some people will say wait 20yrs because we still won't know.

We are in a pandemic so obviously this is not going to work......

In the expertise of vaccination and medical experts they have a series of tests and examinations done on people who are vaccinated to know if the vaccine will have long term effects without waiting for 10yrs.

So far no vaccine that has been declared safe and rolled out has ever had long term effects. So it is not scientific to predict there will be such effects.

What is happening is there is fear. No matter how much reasoning and logic is applied it cannot overcome fear in some people.

I remember outward bound we were suppose to do a walk on tree top and there is safety harness and a big safety net...but some people refuse go do it out of fear although we can see all the safety is in place.

If there is any fear of mRNA vaccine, there is also inactivated virus traditional vaccines like Sinovac and Sinopharm...almost 1 billion people have taken these.

I find it very hard to reason people to do anything once there is fear.

Fear cannot be overcome by logical thinking it is internal limitation of people

Obviously you didn't hear what she says.

She is talking about "forcing" vaccinations for kids from next Jan onwards. She is voicing her concerns that mRNA is not truly tested and there are no data on long term effects.  Our kids have a much longer runway. If there are any long term effects, they will be affected more. I think that's valid concern.

Why force it on kids???

So you said there is a method to determine whether there will be long term effects on mRNA? How so?  All we had are experiences regarding traditional vaccines - if no bad effects in short term => then no longer term effects.... BUT that's not mRNA, do you understand? This is no man's land -  an experimental "vaccine"  with a totally different technology that has no animal trials. We are the guinea pigs.

For adults, yes, there are non mRNA vaccines so it is not so bad now. But for our kids, lets not force the issue until there are non-mrna vaccines.

[WhatDoYouThink?]

She said she goes with the science....however what the science says is different from what she is saying.

She said she is worried about long term effects and we won't know.

I often hear the about statement when it comes to covid19 vaccine.

It seems the only way to satisfactorily answer this question is to wait 10yrs after 10yrs some people will say wait 20yrs because we still won't know.

We are in a pandemic so obviously this is not going to work......

In the expertise of vaccination and medical experts they have a series of tests and examinations done on people who are vaccinated to know if the vaccine will have long term effects without waiting for 10yrs.

So far no vaccine that has been declared safe and rolled out has ever had long term effects. So it is not scientific to predict there will be such effects.

What is happening is there is fear. No matter how much reasoning and logic is applied it cannot overcome fear in some people.

I remember outward bound we were suppose to do a walk on tree top and there is safety harness and a big safety net...but some people refuse go do it out of fear although we can see all the safety is in place.

If there is any fear of mRNA vaccine, there is also inactivated virus traditional vaccines like Sinovac and Sinopharm...almost 1 billion people have taken these.

I find it very hard to reason people to do anything once there is fear.

Fear cannot be overcome by logical thinking it is internal limitation of people

another consideration besides your mention of long term effects, maybe the virus would suddenly disappear next yr, or there are safer remedies such as oral and nasal sprays, tablets and pills next month? how?

[sgbuffett]

another consideration besides your mention of long term effects, maybe the virus would suddenly disappear next yr, or there are safer remedies such as oral and nasal sprays, tablets and pills next month? how?

The virus won't just disappear. It disappears only when we gain herd immunity and most people get it so the virus has no one to spread to.

It is possible we wait there will be pill breakthrough and other alternative paths....yes possible, but I was just countering her "science ".

[debono]

Obviously you didn't hear what she says.

She is talking about "forcing" vaccinations for kids from next Jan onwards. She is voicing her concerns that mRNA is not truly tested and there are no data on long term effects.  Our kids have a much longer runway. If there are any long term effects, they will be affected more. I think that's valid concern.

Why force it on kids???

So you said there is a method to determine whether there will be long term effects on mRNA? How so?  All we had are experiences regarding traditional vaccines - if no bad effects in short term => then no longer term effects.... BUT that's not mRNA, do you understand? This is no man's land -  an experimental "vaccine"  with a totally different technology that has no animal trials. We are the guinea pigs.

For adults, yes, there are non mRNA vaccines so it is not so bad now. But for our kids, lets not force the issue until there are non-mrna vaccines.

another consideration besides your mention of long term effects, maybe the virus would suddenly disappear next yr, or there are safer remedies such as oral and nasal sprays, tablets and pills next month? how?

[Migrant]

That's every mother's worry.
To jab or not to jab?

[sgbuffett]

Obviously you didn't hear what she says.

She is talking about "forcing" vaccinations for kids from next Jan onwards. She is voicing her concerns that mRNA is not truly tested and there are no data on long term effects.  Our kids have a much longer runway. If there are any long term effects, they will be affected more. I think that's valid concern.

Why force it on kids???

So you said there is a method to determine whether there will be long term effects on mRNA? How so?  All we had are experiences regarding traditional vaccines - if no bad effects in short term => then no longer term effects.... BUT that's not mRNA, do you understand? This is no man's land -  an experimental "vaccine"  with a totally different technology that has no animal trials. We are the guinea pigs.

For adults, yes, there are non mRNA vaccines so it is not so bad now. But for our kids, lets not force the issue until there are non-mrna vaccines.

Obviously you responded without reading my posting which counter all the points you raised.

[debono]

There are news that the Covid-19 can be terminated by April 2022, with use of a nasal spray or a pill which is a silver bullet....

[ArielCasper]

She said she goes with the science....however what the science says is different from what she is saying.

She said she is worried about long term effects and we won't know.

I often hear the about statement when it comes to covid19 vaccine.

It seems the only way to satisfactorily answer this question is to wait 10yrs after 10yrs some people will say wait 20yrs because we still won't know.

We are in a pandemic so obviously this is not going to work......

In the expertise of vaccination and medical experts they have a series of tests and examinations done on people who are vaccinated to know if the vaccine will have long term effects without waiting for 10yrs.

So far no vaccine that has been declared safe and rolled out has ever had long term effects. So it is not scientific to predict there will be such effects.

What is happening is there is fear. No matter how much reasoning and logic is applied it cannot overcome fear in some people.

I remember outward bound we were suppose to do a walk on tree top and there is safety harness and a big safety net...but some people refuse go do it out of fear although we can see all the safety is in place.

If there is any fear of mRNA vaccine, there is also inactivated virus traditional vaccines like Sinovac and Sinopharm...almost 1 billion people have taken these.

I find it very hard to reason people to do anything once there is fear.

Fear cannot be overcome by logical thinking it is internal limitation of people

Science is all about data and in this case probability..

Is there a vaccine currently that 100% match her expectation, unfortunately no..

If that is the case, what are the most scientific ways:

1) Locked her children up in a room, no need to go to school.. Anything that goes into the room has to be fully sanitized. Is that scientific, yes. Probability of getting COVID, near to 0, but is that the best approach? Probably not..

2) If she don't trust MRNA, like sgbuffett says, by all means go for other vaccines. If she is not comfortable to take Sinovac/Sinopharm, she can try to take AZ or even Covaxin, which is highly touted by our dear HC

3) Don't take vaccine and leave it in the hands of god, but that is not scientific

Anyway, when time comes and here children are allowed to be vaccinated, but she choose not to do so, her children will just suffer the same discrimination which the non vacc has been facing..

[debono]

Obviously you didn't hear what she says.

She is talking about "forcing" vaccinations for kids from next Jan onwards. She is voicing her concerns that mRNA is not truly tested and there are no data on long term effects.  Our kids have a much longer runway. If there are any long term effects, they will be affected more. I think that's valid concern.

Why force it on kids???

So you said there is a method to determine whether there will be long term effects on mRNA? How so?  All we had are experiences regarding traditional vaccines - if no bad effects in short term => then no longer term effects.... BUT that's not mRNA, do you understand? This is no man's land -  an experimental "vaccine"  with a totally different technology that has no animal trials. We are the guinea pigs.

For adults, yes, there are non mRNA vaccines so it is not so bad now. But for our kids, lets not force the issue until there are non-mrna vaccines.

I agree with your statements. But now we have the Sinovac vaccine, so no excuse not to get vaccinated....

[WhatDoYouThink?]

There are news that the Covid-19 can be terminated by April 2022, with use of a nasal spray or a pill which is a silver bullet....

if everybody has just a little bit of wisdom, it shd hv been over already

[debono]

if everybody has just a little bit of wisdom, it shd hv been over already

In what way......?

[Yin yang]

For the unvaxed n kids, probability of getting delta + n dying is much greater compared to those vaxed with any vacs available in the mkt ....fir me i will choose the traditional non mrna .

Sungapore, being extremely kaisu kuasi must have done all the studies researches worldwide , decided to approve vac for the young..

[RichDad]

Obviously you responded without reading my posting which counter all the points you raised.

It is quite obvious you didn't understand what I wrote. This is not about encountering or winning an argument.

Never mind. I don't want to waste time on this.

[RichDad]

I agree with your statements. But now we have the Sinovac vaccine, so no excuse not to get vaccinated....

We are talking about kids. Sinovac is not approved for kids here.

[debono]

We are talking about kids. Sinovac is not approved for kids here.

Then which vaccine is....?

[Notdumb]

if everybody has just a little bit of wisdom, it shd hv been over already

If everyone donate $100 to the pharmaceutical companies....they wont release the virus liao.

[RichDad]

Then which vaccine is....?

You didn't follow the news? Of course mRNA lah but not yet confirmed.

Next year mrna is very likely to be approved for young kids. That's what Michelle is talking about. Don't force it on kids.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc...021-11-08/

[RichDad]

Science is all about data and in this case probability..

Is there a vaccine currently that 100% match her expectation, unfortunately no..

If that is the case, what are the most scientific ways:

1) Locked her children up in a room, no need to go to school.. Anything that goes into the room has to be fully sanitized. Is that scientific, yes. Probability of getting COVID, near to 0, but is that the best approach? Probably not..

2) If she don't trust MRNA, like sgbuffett says, by all means go for other vaccines. If she is not comfortable to take Sinovac/Sinopharm, she can try to take AZ or even Covaxin, which is highly touted by our dear HC

3) Don't take vaccine and leave it in the hands of god, but that is not scientific

Anyway, when time comes and here children are allowed to be vaccinated, but she choose not to do so, her children will just suffer the same discrimination which the non vacc has been facing..

She is not talking about adults. She is talking about forcing kids to take mRNA.  There are no non MRNA options for kids here.

Gahmen will likely do it from Jan 2022.

[debono]

She is not talking about adults. She is talking about forcing kids to take mRNA.  There are no non MRNA options for kids here.

Gahmen will likely do it from Jan 2022.

Meanwhile the kids do not have any protection.....?

[RichDad]

Meanwhile the kids do not have any protection.....?

Kids got natural immunity.  Better than negative protection from mRNA

[Notdumb]

Kids got natural immunity.  Better than negative protection from mRNA

My sister company FWs never jab and kena Covid all not sick leh. Just kena quarantined 3 weeks start work liao.

I got feeling those kena jab actually died from the vaccine virus rather than catching it outdoors!

[maikyah]

She said she goes with the science....however what the science says is different from what she is saying.

She said she is worried about long term effects and we won't know.

I often hear the about statement when it comes to covid19 vaccine.

It seems the only way to satisfactorily answer this question is to wait 10yrs after 10yrs some people will say wait 20yrs because we still won't know.

We are in a pandemic so obviously this is not going to work......

In the expertise of vaccination and medical experts they have a series of tests and examinations done on people who are vaccinated to know if the vaccine will have long term effects without waiting for 10yrs.

So far no vaccine that has been declared safe and rolled out has ever had long term effects. So it is not scientific to predict there will be such effects.

What is happening is there is fear. No matter how much reasoning and logic is applied it cannot overcome fear in some people.

I remember outward bound we were suppose to do a walk on tree top and there is safety harness and a big safety net...but some people refuse go do it out of fear although we can see all the safety is in place.

If there is any fear of mRNA vaccine, there is also inactivated virus traditional vaccines like Sinovac and Sinopharm...almost 1 billion people have taken these.

I find it very hard to reason people to do anything once there is fear.

Fear cannot be overcome by logical thinking it is internal limitation of people

"In the expertise of vaccination and medical experts they have a series of tests and examinations done on people who are vaccinated to know if the vaccine will have long term effects without waiting for 10yrs."

There is no test out there in the science laboratories able to tell or project the side effect without waiting for 10yrs. What science tell us, something bad can happen unexpectedly even for a new mRNA vaccine.

On Aug. 30, 1954, Bernice E. Eddy, a veteran scientist at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., was checking a batch of a new polio vaccine for safety.
Created by Jonas Salk, the vaccine was hailed as the miracle drug that would conquer the dreaded illness that killed and paralyzed children. Eddy’s job was to examine samples submitted by the companies planning to make it.


As she checked a sample from Cutter Laboratories in Berkeley, Calif., she noticed that the vaccine designed to protect against the disease had instead given polio to a test monkey. Rather than containing killed virus to create immunity, the sample from Cutter contained live, infectious virus.

Something was wrong. “There’s going to be a disaster,” she told a friend.

As scientists and politicians desperately search for medicines to slow the deadly coronavirus, and as President Trump touts a malaria drug as a remedy, a look back to the 1955 polio vaccine tragedy shows how hazardous such a search can be, especially under intense public pressure.

Despite Eddy’s warnings, an estimated 120,000 children that year were injected with the Cutter vaccine, according to Paul A. Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

For me this virus from wuhan is more a immediate danger, the side effect if any of the vaccine, many years down the road, anyway may up lorry due to natural cause before this side effect come into play. Even if kena the virus and survive, duno what it will do the lungs, looking at that many patients in ICU their lungs become rubbery and may not return to their previous healthy states. So it is a choice of 2 fear, one more immediate than the other.

[WhatDoYouThink?]

In what way......?

Lao Tzu:

If I had just a little bit of wisdom I should walk the great path and fear only straying from it.

[RichDad]

My sister company FWs never jab and kena Covid all not sick leh. Just kena quarantined 3 weeks start work liao.

I got feeling those kena jab actually died from the vaccine virus rather than catching it outdoors!

If true , 80% of our population is at risk.

[ArielCasper]

She is not talking about adults. She is talking about forcing kids to take mRNA.  There are no non MRNA options for kids here.

Gahmen will likely do it from Jan 2022.

Then she have to ask herself when govt discriminate the non vac before mid October 2021, did she support govt to discriminate the non vacc.

[watchfirst9]

The virus won't just disappear. It disappears only when we gain herd immunity and most people get it so the virus has no one to spread to.

It is possible we wait there will be pill breakthrough and other alternative paths....yes possible, but I was just countering her "science ".

No lah, virus if mutate wrongly can also self destruct. This word is from Japan health ministry.

Give as many vaccine options as possible, make the pill one available but it can only be taken when infect and not before that.

FYI nasal  inhibitor currently available is less than one tenth the price of the merck pill.

[RichDad]

Then she have to ask herself when govt discriminate the non vac before mid October 2021, did she support govt to discriminate the non vacc.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. She is against discrimination so why should she support??. Go watch the video lah.

[debono]

No lah, virus if mutate wrongly can also self destruct. This word is from Japan health ministry.

Give as many vaccine options as possible, make the pill one available but it can only be taken when infect and not before that.

FYI nasal  inhibitor currently available is less than one tenth the price of the merck pill.

I think the nasal inhibitor and the merck pill is the answer to eradicate the Covid-19, and the world will see that it will go into normalcy..