[sgbuffett]

[sgbuffett]

Really upper class person travel all over Europe

[Blasterlord2]

Education in Germany is close to free for international students. But unless you're studying engineering, dun bother to go there.

[forum456]

Mr Loo Visits daughter studying in Germany - should you send your children there...?

overseas university needs to be of higher world ranking than NUS/NTU.
if not, it is better to study in NUS/NTU.

[sgbuffett]

overseas university needs to be of higher world ranking than NUS/NTU.
if not, it is better to study in NUS/NTU.

Okay lah ...like that soon there will be no Europe iniversity to go to because NUS keep rising in ranking...

I thought its for the culture. I never go Europe before but my friend went told me just old stuff like castle and museum.

[Clyde]

overseas university needs to be of higher world ranking than NUS/NTU.
if not, it is better to study in NUS/NTU.

Nus engineering standard quite low. My son went to Switzerland University for overseas exchange. Their 3rd year course is like our master degree standard. Don't know what happen to Nus now

[sgbuffett]

Nus engineering standard quite low. My son went to Switzerland University for overseas exchange. Their 3rd year course is like our master degree standard. Don't know what happen to Nus now

Engineering? None of my tuition students wish to take even if no other course because the whole industry is flooded with foreign nationals...who in the right mind will take such a course in Singapore.

[forum456]

Okay lah ...like that soon there will be no Europe iniversity to go to because NUS keep rising in ranking...

I thought its for the culture. I never go Europe before but my friend went told me just old stuff like castle and museum.

study must ensure the standard/ranking is higher than NUS/NTU.
then you will know why this overseas university is better than NUS/NTU. your learning standard will be raised/enhanced.

the culture can experience by going on visit/tour/working overseas.

[forum456]

Nus engineering standard quite low. My son went to Switzerland University for overseas exchange. Their 3rd year course is like our master degree standard. Don't know what happen to Nus now

the standard of the course depends on the professors/lecturers.
if the university cannot find lecturers who can teach new/latest content, the current lecturers will keep teaching the same things for years.

[Clyde]

Engineering? None of my tuition students wish to take even if no other course because the whole industry is flooded with foreign nationals...who in the right mind will take such a course in Singapore.

He has alot of complaints about his classmates, especially on projects work. Some students,  instead of writing their own software, they pay money to buy from outside.  And the software cannot work at all. When come to writing the project report, again it contained alot of rubbish inside.

[Migrant]

Found something in Germany that's new to me. 



An insect hotel🙄

[Klesk]

any India university is a good university.

[Blasterlord2]

the standard of the course depends on the professors/lecturers.
if the university cannot find lecturers who can teach new/latest content, the current lecturers will keep teaching the same things for years.

If you go and look at the credentials of our lecturers, the standards are very high. So it's not a matter of the quality of the lecturers, but mostly the quality of students. Now engineering mainly attract students who do not have a passion for the science but take up the course because the entry is low.

[WhatDoYouThink!]

Sg garment scholars are always sent to the same us/uk universities, that's actually not a good thing.

[sgbuffett]

I watched until this part and it struck me...

Is sharing house with strangers from other countries a good idea. Would you let your son and daughter do this to save money?

Most of the time go overseas Singaporeans share place with Singaporeans.

[Clyde]

Sg garment scholars are always sent to the same us/uk universities, that's actually not a good thing.

The past few year our government also cuts cost. No overseas scholar for engineering degrees in his department.

[Blasterlord2]

I watched until this part and it struck me...

Is sharing house with strangers from other countries a good idea. Would you let your son and daughter do this to save money?

Most of the time go overseas Singaporeans share place with Singaporeans.

If daughter will not let her share house with other strangers.

[Clyde]

the standard of the course depends on the professors/lecturers.
if the university cannot find lecturers who can teach new/latest content, the current lecturers will keep teaching the same things for years.

When my son went to the Swiss University for the third year course, he became like a sotong there. Alot of technical terms never heard before. He didn't know alot of things that the lecturers said. He had to borrow their second year lecture notes to read up. It could be because the nus students are not very bright  and the lecturers have to bring down the standard in order to pass more students

[WhatDoYouThink!]

I watched until this part and it struck me...

Is sharing house with strangers from other countries a good idea. Would you let your son and daughter do this to save money?

Most of the time go overseas Singaporeans share place with Singaporeans.

If anything happens, very veey maifan.

[forum456]

If you go and look at the credentials of our lecturers, the standards are very high. So it's not a matter of the quality of the lecturers, but mostly the quality of students. Now engineering mainly attract students who do not have a passion for the science but take up the course because the entry is low.

credentials of lecturers are high but their field of research are not relevant to the subjects taught.
for example, lecturer specialised in A but is teaching in B.
the entry is low because the university lowers it due to low application rate.
if not, many lecturers will be retrenched due to few applicants.

[forum456]

When my son went to the Swiss University for the third year course, he became like a sotong there. Alot of technical terms never heard before. He didn't know alot of things that the lecturers said. He had to borrow their second year lecture notes to read up. It could be because the nus students are not very bright  and the lecturers have to bring down the standard in order to pass more students

before he chose to go there, he should have already known the topics of the course.
oversea western universities usually cover less topics but more in depth because they have lecturers specialised in the topics.
local universities cover more topics but less in depth because they do not have lecturers specialised in the topics.

[Blasterlord2]

credentials of lecturers are high but their field of research are not relevant to the subjects taught.
for example, lecturer specialised in A but is teaching in B.
the entry is low because the university lowers it due to low application rate.
if not, many lecturers will be retrenched due to few applicants.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[starbugs]

I interacted with quite a number of students majoring in business at European universities. I find that their numerical analysis skills are not good. Seems quite odd that business grads are not good in analysis.

[forum456]

You don't know what you're talking about.

i am stating facts when I asked an engineering professor who left the university
due to low application rate, this professor has to go to China yearly to recruit enough students for the next intake.

[Blasterlord2]

i am stating facts when I asked an engineering professor who left the university
due to low application rate, this professor has to go to China yearly to recruit enough students for the next intake.

I can tell you that your account is not reflective of the situation because you only asked one professor. I used to have an appointment in the university and I know many lecturers across different departments. 

It's not that we do not have enough students, but because of the lower entry requirements, we get lower quality students. Of course there'll always be good students but overall the standard of students from engineering is lower than that compared to computer science. You don't believe you can go ask any engineering lecturer again.

[Niubee]

I watched until this part and it struck me...

Is sharing house with strangers from other countries a good idea. Would you let your son and daughter do this to save money?

Most of the time go overseas Singaporeans share place with Singaporeans.

U have narrow mind. Forget it. Stay in your cocoon..

[forum456]

It's not that we do not have enough students, but because of the lower entry requirements, we get lower quality students. Of course there'll always be good students but overall the standard of students from engineering is lower than that compared to computer science. You don't believe you can go ask any engineering lecturer again.

why university lowers engineering entry requirements ?
because the supply is low, you need to lower requirements to get more supply.
it is a supply and demand problem.

if computer science and engineering have same high entry requirements, more good students will apply computer science
and less good students will apply engineering.
for example, you have 1000 good students who can meet both requirements, 700 will apply compscience and 300 will apply
engineering.
enginerring will need to lower the requirements to attract another 400 students.

[Blasterlord2]

why university lowers engineering entry requirements ?
because the supply is low, you need to lower requirements to get more supply.
it is a supply and demand problem.

if computer science and engineering have same high entry requirements, more good students will apply computer science
and less good students will apply engineering.
for example, you have 1000 good students who can meet both requirements, 700 will apply compscience and 300 will apply
engineering.
enginerring will need to lower the requirements to attract another 400 students.

You're beating around the bush and not getting to the main point of what I'm driving at. The main point is not about why why there's a lower entry for engineering except that I want to emphasize that the quality of engineering students is lower. When you said "credentials are high but their field of research are not relevant to the subjects taught", I totally refute that. I know the academic scene well enough to say that.

I'm always exasperated when you post because you almost always do not get to the gist of the argument but mumble on something that is not relevant.

If you're still not sure what I'm driving at, read my original post again.

[forum456]

You're beating around the bush and not getting to the main point of what I'm driving at. The main point is not about why why there's a lower entry for engineering except that I want to emphasize that the quality of engineering students is lower. When you said "credentials are high but their field of research are not relevant to the subjects taught", I totally refute that. I know the academic scene well enough to say that.

I'm always exasperated when you post because you almost always do not get to the gist of the argument but mumble on something that is not relevant.

quality of students is lower because most good students apply other courses instead of engineering.

[Blasterlord2]

quality of students is lower because most good students apply other courses instead of engineering.

That is a given and don't even need to be stated. Again, you're repeating the same point which is not relevant. The main point is that the standard of the lecturers is high. At least it's the case for most of them. You attribute the low standard of the course to the lecturers is not a fair remark to them. They need not teach the latest stuff, esp in engineering, but on the fundamentals.