[sporeguy]

If you are 60 and above stay home stay safe

81 infected seniors: 69 fully vaccinated, 12 not vaccinated.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/h...paign=stfb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

[Galilo_l]

They take things for granted when keep importing delta variant 

[Goldmine]

Out of 81 infected, 69 are fully vaccinated.  Only 12 are not. So more fully vaccinated people got infected than not vaccinated. Fully vaccinated also no use. Still get infected.

Want the 30% above 70 yrs to get vaccinated is like putting them in direct risk at the mercy of the vaccine should their body have serious side effect after taking the jab and succumb to it robbing them of their remaining years. Which risks is higher? Death from from Mandatory Vaccination or catching the virus? Ask yourself?.

Let the elderly decide for themselves.  Don't pass an Imperial Edict. Making Vaccination Mandatory is like sentencing them to the gallow, cutting their life short. 

[WhatDoYouThink?]

" ... A total of 81 seniors aged 60 and above were infected in the past week, including 12 who were not vaccinated...."

so 69 got either 1 or 2 jabs, and 12 got 0 jab?

[Harry Lee]

69/81=85%. It matches Israel stats

[sporeguy]

" ... A total of 81 seniors aged 60 and above were infected in the past week, including 12 who were not vaccinated...."

so 69 got either 1 or 2 jabs, and 12 got 0 jab?

The 69 fully jabbed!

And I thought this Kenneth Mak said Sinovac not effective as you could still get infected! So this 69 what type of vaccine please tell me ...

[Harry Lee]

69/81=85%. It matches Israel stats

[WhatDoYouThink?]

" ... A total of 81 seniors aged 60 and above were infected in the past week, including 12 who were not vaccinated...."

so 69 got either 1 or 2 jabs, and 12 got 0 jab?

The 69 fully jabbed!

And I thought this Kenneth Mak said Sinovac not effective as you could still get infected! So this 69 what type of vaccine please tell me ...

details shd be made known to the public

[Bigbluedot]

Vacc may betray the gov.

[Hfourhappy]

Some elderly very iron teeth.
I heard one saying " scare what? Tio tio lor, scare what?"

[sporeguy]

Some elderly very iron teeth.
I heard one saying " scare what? Tio tio lor, scare what?"

HfourHappy hope you got msg to collect the Active Play Mat

[RichDad]

Out of 81 infected, 69 are fully vaccinated.  Only 12 are not. So more fully vaccinated people got infected than not vaccinated. Fully vaccinated also no use. Still get infected.

Want the 30% above 70 yrs to get vaccinated is like putting them in direct risk at the mercy of the vaccine should their body have serious side effect after taking the jab and succumb to it robbing them of their remaining years. Which risks is higher? Death from from Mandatory Vaccination or catching the virus? Ask yourself?.

Let the elderly decide for themselves.  Don't pass an Imperial Edict. Making Vaccination Mandatory is like sentencing them to the gallow, cutting their life short. 

Yes, vaccinated more likely to kena. But unvaccinated if kena more serious.  So how?

So why vaccinate? I think ST is going to say it is an error. Should be the other way around.

[happyharvest]

Out of 81 infected, 69 are fully vaccinated.  Only 12 are not. So more fully vaccinated people got infected than not vaccinated. Fully vaccinated also no use. Still get infected.

Want the 30% above 70 yrs to get vaccinated is like putting them in direct risk at the mercy of the vaccine should their body have serious side effect after taking the jab and succumb to it robbing them of their remaining years. Which risks is higher? Death from from Mandatory Vaccination or catching the virus? Ask yourself?.

Let the elderly decide for themselves.  Don't pass an Imperial Edict. Making Vaccination Mandatory is like sentencing them to the gallow, cutting their life short. 

Yes, vaccinated more likely to kena. But unvaccinated if kena more serious.  So how?

So why vaccinate? I think ST is going to say it is an error. Should be the other way around.

Why vaccinated more likely to kena? based on stats or science? 

[RichDad]

Yes, vaccinated more likely to kena. But unvaccinated if kena more serious.  So how?

So why vaccinate? I think ST is going to say it is an error. Should be the other way around.

Why vaccinated more likely to kena? based on stats or science? 

According to an Israeli study, vaccinated 8x more likely to kena. But less severe symptoms? Not sure if it is 1st shot only for SG...

It could also be that there are more seniors vaccinated than not vaccinated so naturally more vaccinated get infected out if the pool of people.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhase...22765d6053

[Tangsen]

Some elderly very iron teeth.
I heard one saying " scare what? Tio tio lor, scare what?"

Actually, they die no one cares, but dun "hai" others ... sure got karma one. Later they will infect their grandchildren with India variant and live the rest of their lives with black fungus as retribution.

[Tangsen]

Why vaccinated more likely to kena? based on stats or science? 

According to an Israeli study, vaccinated 8x more likely to kena. But less severe symptoms? Not sure if it is 1st shot only for SG...

It could also be that there are more seniors vaccinated than not vaccinated so naturally more vaccinated get infected out if the pool of people.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhase...22765d6053

But it protects them from serious illness & ICU, how I know. My peer in JKT .... whole family kenna covid but suffer mild symptoms because they had jabbed ... only one. They waiting to get 2nd in August

[Goldmine]

Out of 81 infected, 69 are fully vaccinated.  Only 12 are not. So more fully vaccinated people got infected than not vaccinated. Fully vaccinated also no use. Still get infected.

Want the 30% above 70 yrs to get vaccinated is like putting them in direct risk at the mercy of the vaccine should their body have serious side effect after taking the jab and succumb to it robbing them of their remaining years. Which risks is higher? Death from from Mandatory Vaccination or catching the virus? Ask yourself?.

Let the elderly decide for themselves.  Don't pass an Imperial Edict. Making Vaccination Mandatory is like sentencing them to the gallow, cutting their life short. :frown:

Yes, vaccinated more likely to kena. But unvaccinated if kena more serious.  So how?

So why vaccinate? I think ST is going to say it is an error. Should be the other way around.

If kenna, then prepared for the worst. Its their choice. Dying from introducing vaccine into yr body which cld potentially caused severed side effects and possibly death or from catching the virus. Which has a higher risk? 

It was reported that half of Singapore population are fully vaccinated. 200,000 of elderly above 60 yrs are not vaccinated. 81of these elderly are infected. Out of these 81 elders, 69 are vaccinated and 12 are unvaccinated. What does it show? Vaccination does not staved the virus away. It shows more vaccinated people caught the virus than the unvaccinated. Why? Because they thought they are save as they are fully vaccinated. 

The unvaccinated are more responsible looking at the nos infected - only 12. So don't blame it on the unvaccinated for the spread of the Virus.

[Galilo_l]

Moi said vaccine reduce severe symptoms n hospitalization but not prevent reinfection hor

[Harry Lee]

"...There is a significant risk of "vaccine breakthrough" with the Sinovac vaccine, or CoronaVac, with international evidence showing that many who had taken it were later infected with COVID-19, said the Ministry of Health's (MOH) director of medical services Kenneth Mak on Friday (18 June)...."

Funny, makky is concerned with Sinovac elsewhere but not the many breaththroughs that happened under his nose.. Changi airport, TTSH, ICA, Red hill...and now 69/81!!!?

[WhatDoYouThink?]

maybe theyre those who yaya wear masks under their noses, saw many are like that

[starbugs]

The noose is tightening. Won't be able to siam for long. Either Covid gets you first, or the govt will.

[RichDad]

According to an Israeli study, vaccinated 8x more likely to kena. But less severe symptoms? Not sure if it is 1st shot only for SG...

It could also be that there are more seniors vaccinated than not vaccinated so naturally more vaccinated get infected out if the pool of people.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhase...22765d6053

But it protects them from serious illness & ICU, how I know. My peer in JKT .... whole family kenna covid but suffer mild symptoms because they had jabbed ... only one. They waiting to get 2nd in August

Sinovac?

[RichDad]

Yes, vaccinated more likely to kena. But unvaccinated if kena more serious.  So how?

So why vaccinate? I think ST is going to say it is an error. Should be the other way around.

If kenna, then prepared for the worst. Its their choice. Dying from introducing vaccine into yr body which cld potentially caused severed side effects and possibly death or from catching the virus. Which has a higher risk? 

It was reported that half of Singapore population are fully vaccinated. 200,000 of elderly above 60 yrs are not vaccinated. 81of these elderly are infected. Out of these 81 elders, 69 are vaccinated and 12 are unvaccinated. What does it show? Vaccination does not staved the virus away. It shows more vaccinated people caught the virus than the unvaccinated. Why? Because they thought they are save as they are fully vaccinated. 

The unvaccinated are more responsible looking at the nos infected - only 12. So don't blame it on the unvaccinated for the spread of the Virus.

I think there are 700k seniors vaccinated vs 200k unvaccinated. So if we use the formula Pfizer used for its trial, then it is zero or negative efficacy? But it is not so simple because of the variables.

Bottom line is vaccine protects  you from serious illness but has short term side effects and even potential long term side effects for mRNA.

That's why I chose Sinovac for the protection from serious illness + lesser or zero side effects, both short and long term. 

The other option is to not vaccinate but if kena, then pray for the best.

[Tangsen]

Yes, vaccinated more likely to kena. But unvaccinated if kena more serious.  So how?

So why vaccinate? I think ST is going to say it is an error. Should be the other way around.

If kenna, then prepared for the worst. Its their choice. Dying from introducing vaccine into yr body which cld potentially caused severed side effects and possibly death or from catching the virus. Which has a higher risk? 

It was reported that half of Singapore population are fully vaccinated. 200,000 of elderly above 60 yrs are not vaccinated. 81of these elderly are infected. Out of these 81 elders, 69 are vaccinated and 12 are unvaccinated. What does it show? Vaccination does not staved the virus away. It shows more vaccinated people caught the virus than the unvaccinated. Why? Because they thought they are save as they are fully vaccinated. 

The unvaccinated are more responsible looking at the nos infected - only 12. So don't blame it on the unvaccinated for the spread of the Virus.

Do you have how many un-jabbed in ICU and those un-jabbed dead vs those who are jabbed?

[Tangsen]

But it protects them from serious illness & ICU, how I know. My peer in JKT .... whole family kenna covid but suffer mild symptoms because they had jabbed ... only one. They waiting to get 2nd in August

Sinovac?

AZ or Pfizer ... cannot confirm

[RichDad]

"...There is a significant risk of "vaccine breakthrough" with the Sinovac vaccine, or CoronaVac, with international evidence showing that many who had taken it were later infected with COVID-19, said the Ministry of Health's (MOH) director of medical services Kenneth Mak on Friday (18 June)...."
Funny, makky is concerned with Sinovac elsewhere but not the many breaththroughs that happened under his nose.. Changi airport, TTSH, ICA, Red hill...and now 69/81!!!?

Exactly. Now obvious breakthrough in P & M but ah mak kept quiet. Now narrative changed to protect against severe symptoms but Sinovac can do that too and with fewer, less severe side effects to boot.

[Goldmine]

If kenna, then prepared for the worst. Its their choice. Dying from introducing vaccine into yr body which cld potentially caused severed side effects and possibly death or from catching the virus. Which has a higher risk? 

It was reported that half of Singapore population are fully vaccinated. 200,000 of elderly above 60 yrs are not vaccinated. 81of these elderly are infected. Out of these 81 elders, 69 are vaccinated and 12 are unvaccinated. What does it show? Vaccination does not staved the virus away. It shows more vaccinated people caught the virus than the unvaccinated. Why? Because they thought they are save as they are fully vaccinated. 

The unvaccinated are more responsible looking at the nos infected - only 12. So don't blame it on the unvaccinated for the spread of the Virus.

Do you have how many un-jabbed in ICU and those un-jabbed dead vs those who are jabbed?

I don't know. Got to ask MOH to provide the details.

[Tangsen]

Do you have how many un-jabbed in ICU and those un-jabbed dead vs those who are jabbed?

I don't know. Got to ask MOH to provide the details.

you seem to manage to get a lot of your mentioned data.

[Goldmine]

If kenna, then prepared for the worst. Its their choice. Dying from introducing vaccine into yr body which cld potentially caused severed side effects and possibly death or from catching the virus. Which has a higher risk? 

It was reported that half of Singapore population are fully vaccinated. 200,000 of elderly above 60 yrs are not vaccinated. 81of these elderly are infected. Out of these 81 elders, 69 are vaccinated and 12 are unvaccinated. What does it show? Vaccination does not staved the virus away. It shows more vaccinated people caught the virus than the unvaccinated. Why? Because they thought they are save as they are fully vaccinated. 

The unvaccinated are more responsible looking at the nos infected - only 12. So don't blame it on the unvaccinated for the spread of the Virus.

I think there are 700k seniors vaccinated vs 200k unvaccinated. So if we use the formula Pfizer used for its trial, then it is zero or negative efficacy? But it is not so simple because of the variables.

Bottom line is vaccine protects  you from serious illness but has short term side effects and even potential long term side effects for mRNA.

That's why I chose Sinovac for the protection from serious illness + lesser or zero side effects, both short and long term. 

The other option is to not vaccinate but if kena, then pray for the best.

Yes! Vaccine protects the healthy from serious illness but may escalate the premature death of those above 60 yrs old who has underlying health issues. The vaccine may shortened their lives as their body could not take the severed side effects.

[Goldmine]

I don't know. Got to ask MOH to provide the details.

you seem to manage to get a lot of your mentioned data.

Like what?