[sgbuffett]

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/108411262...membership

[Sentinel]

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/108411262...membership

Will end up same as Ukraine

Could be worse

[Ahnya]

USA and its allies are "dragging " Sweden and Finland into NATO?
Actually it's Russia that's doing so .

[maddog]

No Action Talk Only

Join liao still die

[CHAOS]

Evil 5 Eyes Anglo Saxon gangs try to create Cold War II

[RiseofAsia]

Want to join, just join, no need to reconsider.
It means they are only thinking, no concrete action yet….

Later Super high inflation last for a long time in their own country… see what are they going to say…

现在最愚蠢的做法是选边站。
Where is the NATO troop?
No where to be found….
Sweden and Finland still want to join?
不是很搞笑吗？

[FangFang]

Why not let Russia also join NATO ? Ha

[RiseofAsia]

Why not let Russia also join NATO ? Ha

You don’t know US is in the NATO?

[pervertosan]

[guffaw]

USA and its allies are "dragging " Sweden and Finland into NATO?
Actually it's Russia that's doing so .

Countries need to band together to defend against rogue nations

[CHAOS]

Countries need to band together to defend against rogue nations

Agreed, boycott Evil American Empire!

[simpleman]

Nato charter states that a nation's entry into Nato must not compromise the security of existing members. All existing member states must agree before new members are accepted.

Something we dont read in the CENSORED western media is that Hungary had vetoed Ukraine's entry to Nato.

Do we seriously think that other member states will allow Sweden & Finland sharing borders with Russia to enter Nato now, after seeing how dead-serious Russia is about its red-line warnings?

Imagine this scenario: Russia warned Finland that entering Nato is crossing the red line. Nato go ahead to accept Findland. Russia attack Finland. Nato Article 5 automatically kicks in - an attack on one member constitute an attack on all member states. Heavily-sanctioned Russia, sensing a defeat & annihilation, deploy nuclear weapons for preemptive attack across Europe.

Which Nato state will allow Finland or Sweden in? 

Think again!

[[[ForeverAlone]]]

actually If I'm Putin after Ukraine , I advance go Poland since already this war started must well go all out.

[simpleman]

actually If I'm Putin after Ukraine , I advance go Poland since already this war started must well go all out.

Fortunately you are not Putin. 

Thats stupidity. Putin is smarter than that.

[sgbuffett]

Fortunately you are not Putin. 

Thats stupidity. Putin is smarter than that.

What he did is already 'not smart'
It has united the west and seeded his own downfall.

[Sticw]

Countries need to band together to defend against rogue nations

Better to join tyrant than be a rogue... But NATO is which? Lol

[Fleetdestroyer]

[ArielCasper]

If the NATO article say that if a member country is invaded, all member country will sent troops to help in the defense of the invaded country, then yes, it make some sense for Finland and Sweden to join.

If the article only say "an attack on one member constitute an attack on all member states.", without explicitly stating the follow up action, then have to be careful. If other member states only sanction the invading country and don't sent a single troop, what the point of joining NATO..

After all, NATO was never tested in a actual war, so how each member country will react in a real event is still unknown.

[simpleman]

What he did is already 'not smart'
It has united the west and seeded his own downfall.

And it wouldn't make it any more smarter by doing it again. 

The West seeded this conflict by making use of Ukraine. People around the world are beginning to see that and that is the reason the West resorted to dictatorial tactics of CENSORSHIP to control information in favour of them. 

In fact a lot of countries dont agree with Russian actions, but dont agree to sanctions either. Its them saying what Russia did is wrong, but we understand your reasons & we're not going to punish you.

[sgbuffett]

And it wouldn't make it any more smarter by doing it again. 

The West seeded this conflict by making use of Ukraine. People around the world are beginning to see that and that is the reason the West resorted to dictatorial tactics of CENSORSHIP to control information in favour of them. 

In fact a lot of countries dont agree with Russian actions, but dont agree to sanctions either. Its them saying what Russia did is wrong, but we understand your reasons & we're not going to punish you.

Wrong! Ukraine had a pro Russian puppet leader who was overthrown by the people. Russia was making use of Ukraine to do its bidding and the Ukrainian people got sick and tired of this.

Despite Ukraine wanting to join EU and NATO, the west was hesitant and was accommodative to Russia even as Russia annex Crimea. Germany until the invasion happened refuse to aid Ukraine.

Russia took advantage of the west ambivalence towards Ukraine and invaded it.

Russia action is condemned by majority in UN jncluding Singapore govt.

[simpleman]

Wrong! Ukraine had a pro Russian puppet leader who was overthrown by the people. Russia was making use of Ukraine to do its bidding and the Ukrainian people got sick and tired of this.

Despite Ukraine wanting to join EU and NATO, the west was hesitant and was accommodative to Russia even as Russia annex Crimea. Germany until the invasion happened refuse to aid Ukraine.

Russia took advantage of the west ambivalence towards Ukraine and invaded it.

Russia action is condemned by majority in UN jncluding Singapore govt.

The "pro Russian puppet leader" that you described was actually elected by Ukrainians in 2010 albeit by a slim majority. But still, a majority. 

He was overthrown when he put a price tag of $160 billion for Ukraine to pivot to the West, considered too much for the West. (This is a country rich in natural resources & geopolitically priceless) 

The West then organised a "revolution" to overthrow him and install a new leader who was pro West. At that time Obama was president, Biden was VP. Its called "Maidan Revolution" (some call it Maidan Coup for what it actually was) in which many ethnic Russians were burned alive by neoNazis during the street protests preceeding the overthrow. Russia has a list of the culprits and they will put them on trial when they are caught. 

The Maidan Revolution/Coup sparked a war in East Ukraine where many fellow Ukrainians of ethnic Russians were killed or driven out of their towns & villages. 


About your statement that "Despite Ukraine wanting to join EU and NATO, the west was hesitant".. this is not shared by many observers. In fact the West encouraged Zelensky when they lied to him that "Nato has an open door policy". AND, neither did the West unequivocally tell him that Ukraine cannot join Nato, in spite of Hungary's objecting to Ukraine joining Nato in 2018. 


Regarding your statement "Russia took advantage of the west ambivalence towards Ukraine and invaded it". Russia warned in October 2021 that Ukraine joining Nato will be met by "Military & Technical reaponse". The invasion is not because of Western ambivalence, but the crossing of Russian security red- lines - referring to Russian fear of Nato installing Nuclear Weapons in Ukraine once Ukraine joins Nato. From Russian perspective it is "Existential Threat". Is this fear justified? I think it is, because Nato is not truly a defensive alliance. It is an offensive military alliance involved in several offensive campaigns even beyond its geographical defensive sphere. (Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq are not in Europe or anywhere near the Atlantic) 

Yes, Russian action is condemned by over 70% UN member states. But likewise over 70% UN member states are not joining the West to sanction Russia including hardcore Western allies like Israel, Saudi, India. The West even threatens India with sanctions, for failing to sanction Russia. 

Like i said, this is them saying Russia you shouldnt have done it, but we understand why you did it.

[guffaw]

For whatever reason that Russia gave, there is no excuse to invade another country. Full stop.

[Fleetdestroyer]

[Fleetdestroyer]

[simpleman]

For whatever reason that Russia gave, there is no excuse to invade another country. Full stop.

All good. But let me ask you these 

Was it excusable for US to invade Japan in 1945?

Was it excusable for the Allies to invade Germany in 1945?

Was it excusable for US to invade Vietnam? 

Was it excusable for US to invade Iraq in 2003?

[kokee]

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/108411262...membership

Finland & Sweden are in EU now,for them to join NATO is no problem.
In principle, Ukraine are approved into EU, wait for official annoucement, later then apply into NATO.
what nonsense is all the US invade Japan or allies invade germany & the rest?
who started WW2, who are the invaders like Russia today? Japan, germany & Italy.
If not Us threw the atomic bomb into japan, today china likely stillruleunder japan, whole china learning japaneselanguage now.
Same to in Europe, hitler & the nazi who started the war.
same as Russia invade Ukraie, crimea & many more.
all these wars has no reason, only because of dictator like putin & hitler, how about Xi? emperor?


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[Ahnya]

Want to join, just join, no need to reconsider.
It means they are only thinking, no concrete action yet….

Later Super high inflation last for a long time in their own country… see what are they going to say…

现在最愚蠢的做法是选边站。
Where is the NATO troop?
No where to be found….
Sweden and Finland still want to join?
不是很搞笑吗？

Cos Ukraine is not a member of NATO