[Ali Imran]

It is easier for any non believers to believe in the trinity than the devil living in nose.. how did that end up in the quran...must be a mistake!

The Hindus also believe in God's incarnation. They also have their version of the Trinity. Do you find it easier to believe in the Trimurthy?

[Ali Imran]

You believe in jinn and pontianak? 

Pontianak is a state in Kalimantan. They have folklore about some ghost. And no, I don't believe nor disbelieve in pontianak. I don't care about pontianak.

Jinn? Genie? Yes, of course. It is mentioned in the Quran.

[pinkpanther]

It is not in the Quran. It is in the Hadith. It's okay if you don't believe it. 

I too don't believe zombies were walking about in downtown Jerusalem. But you must believe it because it is recorded in the Gospels. On top of that, we have Jewish historians like Josephus who were recording history at that time. He never once mentioned zombies. If it really did happen, surely historians would have recorded such an event.

it does not indicate a zombie apocalypse...anyhow hantam only

[pinkpanther]

Pontianak is a state in Kalimantan. They have folklore about some ghost. And no, I don't believe nor disbelieve in pontianak. I don't care about pontianak.

Jinn? Genie? Yes, of course. It is mentioned in the Quran.

Devil living in nose is not a folklore since it was mentioned in the hadith...I can't come to terms why the devil needs to live in a shit hole....if it stays in the head and manipulate a person..I can actually buy that story...

[Ali Imran]

it does not indicate a zombie apocalypse...anyhow hantam only

The dead woke up and rose from their graves and walked around in downtown Jerusalem.

The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people. Matt 27.

How come no historians spoke of this?

[luncheonmeat]

Salvation is from God, not from anybody else, and certainly not the Jews who were the enemies of Jesus. They tried to kill him remember? And when Jesus returns, he will slay them because they refused to accept him as their king ( Luke 19:27 ). So, salvation from the Jews? I don't think so.
In Isaiah 42, a servant of God is prophesized, who will arise out of the land of Kedar. Who is that?

Jesus forgave his enemies  [anyone who is anti-christ is an enemy, not referring to Jews per se]and also pleaded to his Father to forgive them.

33When they came to the place called The Skull, they crucified Him there, along with the criminals, one on His right and the other on His left. 34Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up His garments by casting lots. 35The people stood watching, and the rulers sneered at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if He is the Christ of God, the Chosen One.”

The old testament  comes from the Jewish torah and  Jesus himself is a Jew, hence it is not erroneous to say Salvation comes from the Jews, especially when the saying came from Jesus himself.

Was Mohammad mentioned in the Isaiah as Muslims believe? see here:

The first thing to note is that neither the Quran nor Hadith mention the book of Isaiah or that the book of Isaiah was part of God’s revelation or that Isaiah was a prophet. If Isaiah is not from God, then it doesn’t really matter what the text says.

*Verse 1 - “Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.”

Here God says he has put his Spirit upon his servant. Where does the Quran say God’s Spirit was put upon Muhammad? Also, it says that the servant will bring justice to the nations. Muhammad died without accomplishing this.

*Verse 3 – “A bruised reed He will not break And a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice.”

The reeds and wicks represent people. I know there were times when Muhammad showed kindness and forgiveness, but there were also times when he broke and extinguished people, whether justified or not.

*Verse 4 - “He will not be disheartened or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth…”

Muhammad died before establishing justice in the earth.

*Verse 6 – “…And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people…”

Muhammad was not appointed as a covenant to any people. He may have made covenants or treaties or agreements with people, but Muhammad was not given by God as a covenant for anyone.

*Verse 7 – “To open blind eyes….”

Muhammad literally blinded people who stole some camels and killed a shepherd.

*Verse 8 - “I am the LORD, that is My name…..”

When reading the OT, whenever you see “LORD” in all caps, that means God/Yahweh. There is no mention of Yahweh in the Quran or Hadith. Why was Muhammad the only prophet that did not know God’s name? If you want to know what the Hebrew says for a given OT verse, you can go to this website.

*Verse 9 – “Behold, the former things have come to pass, Now I declare new things; Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you.

This verse says that God will declare new things, but according to Islamic teachings, this cannot be Muhammad. According to Islam, we are all born Muslims. According to Islam, the past prophets all preached the same message as Muhammad and the past revelations support the Quran. According to Islam, Muhammad’s teachings were not new.

*Verse 10a – “Sing to the LORD a new song, Sing His praise from the end of the earth!

The people of Earth will be singing praises to God; new songs of praise. In Islam, some argue music is forbidden and some say it is allowed. Regardless, did Muhammad sing praise songs to God? Do the majority of Muslims sing praise songs to God?

*Verse 10b-12 – “You who go down to the sea, and all that is in it. You islands, and those who dwell on them. Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voices, The settlements where Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing aloud, Let them shout for joy from the tops of the mountains. Let them give glory to the LORD And declare His praise in the coastlands.”

These verses seem to be the ones that most point to as indicating Muhammad because Kedar is listed as one of the locations. Kedar was located in Northwestern Saudi Arabia and Selah was a reference to Petra in Jordan. There are several mentions of Kedar in the Bible, so do the other passages also refer to Muhammad? There are also other references to islands, coastlands, the wilderness, and mountains, so I’m not sure how having Kedar as one of several locations in a verse points to Muhammad.

*Verse 13 – “ The LORD will go forth like a warrior, He will arouse His zeal like a man of war. He will utter a shout, yes, He will raise a war cry. He will prevail against His enemies.”

This says the LORD (God/Yahweh) will go forth like a warrior. I would be quite careful in comparing this verse to Muhammad.

I hope it is apparent that Isaiah 42:1-13 does not describe Muhammad.

[Ali Imran]

Devil living in nose is not a folklore since it was mentioned in the hadith...I can't come to terms why the devil needs to live in a shit hole....if it stays in the head and manipulate a person..I can actually buy that story...

Of course it's not a folklore. Our prophet told us to keep our noses clean and doing nasal flush is recommended by doctors today.

[Lukongsimi]

Oh the story book hadith..and the quran tells of the devil who lives inside every Muslims nose

Should be inside that  noti bird instead

[Oyk]

If I ask you for proof of your allegations against me, you will not be able to show any. 

You're just trying to discredit me because you cannot give any more counter-arguments. 

But you're a pigeon so you will think you have won the debate.

You are defending things which I didn't say. That is similar to demolishing your lovely strawman but not what I said.

Go back to the thread where within this hour you gave Simm Tan a LIKE. The proof is all there. Sorry man, I really cannot nominate the "mother" of a liar and mocker and a tongue twister to be the Mother of the Century. 

[Ali Imran]

Jesus forgave his enemies  [anyone who is anti-christ is an enemy, not referring to Jews per se]and also pleaded to his Father to forgive them.

The old testament  comes from the Jewish torah and  Jesus himself is a Jew, hence it is not erroneous to say Salvation comes from the Jews, especially when the saying came from Jesus himself.

I am not comfortable using the term Jews. Jews are people who lived in Judah. The chosen people were known as the children of Israel and most importantly, Jesus was not a Jew. I can also argue that Jesus is not the children of Israel because he was born without a father. The bloodline for the children of Israel was always through the father, never the mother.

And remember, Jesus told the children of Israel that God will take away God's kingdom from them and give it to another nation who will bring about the fruit. 

And you still have not considered Luke 19, where Jesus will kill his enemies. According to Christian scholars, the enemies Jesus will slay will be the Jews.

And remember, words have been put into the mouth of Jesus. Again, this is not my opinion. I refer to Christian scholars.

[Oyk]

Of course it's not a folklore. Our prophet told us to keep our noses clean and doing nasal flush is recommended by doctors today.

Keeping your nose clean and the devil living there are two different things lar. The devil does not live in Bastardlo2 的 nose because he's not a Muslim but I hope he cleans his nose nonetheless.

Anyway it's obvious that you can't answers that and are desperately trying to obfuscate. Twisting again. Tsk tsk. Your mother...  

[Ali Imran]

You are defending things which I didn't say. That is similar to demolishing your lovely strawman but not what I said.

Go back to the thread where within this hour you gave Simm Tan a LIKE. The proof is all there. Sorry man, I really cannot nominate the "mother" of a liar and mocker and a tongue twister to be the Mother of the Century. 

What did I say there that is a lie? 

I'm now asking for proof of all your allegations. If you cannot show proof, I will feel contented that I've proven you to be the liar instead.

[Lukongsimi]

Muslims are from Ishmael born from the bond woman Hagar

[pinkpanther]

Of course it's not a folklore. Our prophet told us to keep our noses clean and doing nasal flush is recommended by doctors today.

The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.”

[Ali Imran]

The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.”

Yes, I believe that. Satan only does that to us coz we are on the right path. 

Satan won't bother you coz you have already been led astray.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, I believe that. Satan only does that to us coz we are on the right path. 

Satan won't bother you coz you have already been led astray.

You should check in imh with that statement...

[Ali Imran]

The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.”

So, do you now admit that you must believe zombies were walking in downtown Jerusalem?

[pinkpanther]

So, do you now admit that you must believe zombies were walking in downtown Jerusalem?

The short answer is, no. The Bible has no reference to corpses being reanimated and existing in a continuing state of decomposition. Zechariah 14:12 is often referenced as foretelling an impending zombie apocalypse: "And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." The word plague, translated from the Hebrew word maggephah, literally means "pestilence"—a sickness. Given today’s war tactics, it is entirely plausible that this verse describes biological warfare, or it could be a special plague designed by God just for this circumstance. Whatever the case, a judgment that rots the living flesh from the bones and the fluid from the eyeballs is horrifying, but it does not indicate a zombie apocalypse.

[Lukongsimi]

The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.”

Satan can’t be easily blown out with water 
Needs Jesus to cast it out 
This type needs fasting and prayers

[Oyk]

I am not comfortable using the term Jews. Jews are people who lived in Judah. The chosen people were known as the children of Israel and most importantly, Jesus was not a Jew. I can also argue that Jesus is not the children of Israel because he was born without a father. The bloodline for the children of Israel was always through the father, never the mother.

And remember, Jesus told the children of Israel that God will take away God's kingdom from them and give it to another nation who will bring about the fruit. 

And you still have not considered Luke 19, where Jesus will kill his enemies. According to Christian scholars, the enemies Jesus will slay will be the Jews.

And remember, words have been put into the mouth of Jesus. Again, this is not my opinion. I refer to Christian scholars.

You kept saying Christian scholars said this, that, and the other without quoting any source 

You are exactly like Raeesah Khan. Tell lape stories in Parliament without proof, without source and when asked further, she confessed to lying. 

[pinkpanther]

Satan can’t be easily blown out with water 
Needs Jesus to cast it out 
This type needs fasting and prayers

Ya...need to cast out in Jesus name..
But every night Satan comes inside nose to sleep wor...v troublesome.

[Ali Imran]

You kept saying Christian scholars said this, that, and the other without quoting any source 

You are exactly like Raeesah Khan. Tell lape stories in Parliament without proof, without source and when asked further, she confessed to lying. 

Try me. But a challenge must come at a price. If you challenge me, I will demand a price you must pay.

I've been doing this for decades already. I know what I'm talking about.

[pinkpanther]

The short answer is, no. The Bible has no reference to corpses being reanimated and existing in a continuing state of decomposition. Zechariah 14:12 is often referenced as foretelling an impending zombie apocalypse: "And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." The word plague, translated from the Hebrew word maggephah, literally means "pestilence"—a sickness. Given today’s war tactics, it is entirely plausible that this verse describes biological warfare, or it could be a special plague designed by God just for this circumstance. Whatever the case, a judgment that rots the living flesh from the bones and the fluid from the eyeballs is horrifying, but it does not indicate a zombie apocalypse.

What do your Christian scholars say?

[Ali Imran]

The short answer is, no. The Bible has no reference to corpses being reanimated and existing in a continuing state of decomposition. Zechariah 14:12 is often referenced as foretelling an impending zombie apocalypse: "And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." The word plague, translated from the Hebrew word maggephah, literally means "pestilence"—a sickness. Given today’s war tactics, it is entirely plausible that this verse describes biological warfare, or it could be a special plague designed by God just for this circumstance. Whatever the case, a judgment that rots the living flesh from the bones and the fluid from the eyeballs is horrifying, but it does not indicate a zombie apocalypse.

I only quote Matthew and you're ignoring that verse.

The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people. Matt 27.

[Oyk]

Satan can’t be easily blown out with water 
Needs Jesus to cast it out 
This type needs fasting and prayers

Even Michael the Archangel would call upon the Nane of Jesus.

Meanwhile Ali says that this Chief Demon lives in, of all places, the nose. And water can throw him out wor.

Sounds like a Cinderella tale to me. No wonder he claimed that chewren can understand Islam easily. 

[Lukongsimi]

Ya...need to cast out in Jesus name..
But every night Satan comes inside nose to sleep wor...v troublesome.

Why satan wants to sleep inside their nose must be their comfortable home loh 
Worship eeee spirit loh

[Ali Imran]

Even Michael the Archangel would call upon the Nane of Jesus.

Meanwhile Ali says that this Chief Demon lives in, of all placrs, the nose. And water can throw him out wor.

Sound like a Cinderella tale to me. No wonder he claimed that chewren can understand Islam easily.  c

You can only disbelieve it but you cannot falsify it.

Now, you do believe zombies were walking around in downtown Jerusalem? You must because it is in the Gospel. Can I reject it as false? Yes, we can because Josephus, who was recording the history of that time, never once mentioned zombies were walking around.

[Lukongsimi]

Even Michael the Archangel would call upon the Nane of Jesus.

Meanwhile Ali says that this Chief Demon lives in, of all placrs, the nose. And water can throw him out wor.

Sounds like a Cinderella tale to me. No wonder he claimed that chewren can understand Islam easily.  c

Big nose lagi dangerous like bungalow to satan

[Oyk]

Try me. But a challenge must come at a price. If you challenge me, I will demand a price you must pay.

I've been doing this for decades already. I know what I'm talking about.

You had been lying for decades?

I can believe that. At 61, you have 6 decades to your name 

[Oyk]

You can only disbelieve it but you cannot falsify it.

Now, you do believe zombies were walking around in downtown Jerusalem? You must because it is in the Gospel. Can I reject it as false? Yes, we can because Josephus, who was recording the history of that time, never once mentioned zombies were walking around.

Hang on. Don't reply to something I didn't even write to you.

Reply to the post where I asked you to show proof instead of claiming that "scholars" said this, that and the other. Acting tough with a "try me... Pay PRICE" does not scare me. I am made of sterner material than you think, son.