[Ali Imran]

Tell me how a Muslim treats his family..I'm intrigued.

The best of us is he who is best to his family. That is our mantra. 

Serving his family is one thing a Muslim man would be doing because that is what the prophet pbuh used to do and he is our role model.

Ask more if you want. It's better than you making biased comments.

[pinkpanther]

The best of us is he who is best to his family. That is our mantra. 

Serving his family is one thing a Muslim man would be doing because that is what the prophet pbuh used to do and he is our role model.

Ask more if you want. It's better than you making biased comments.

Ask you how you treat your family....you come and tell me your prophet is your role model! 

Forced religious conversion
Owning of slaves
Allowing the massacre of 600+ Jewish men and boys
Ordering the murders of his critics 
Marrying his first cousin
Having sex with said slaves
Antisemitism
Misogyny
Spousal abuse

That's your role model my friend...I could go on...Aisha.,I forget to list her

[Oyk]

What's wrong with that?

He who must not be mentioned (B) detests violence.  

[Goldmine]

Concubines are not allowed in Islam. 

If my daughter is financially secure, why won't I be happy for her? She doesn't need to work. She can be a mother to her children. I'm sure she will be happy. Many women I know would want such a life.

The most satisfying job for a woman is raising her children. On top of that, she has a husband who would take care of her. That is where she can find solace when needed, which is gonna be rare.

Islam allow the men to have 4 wives legally. Is there still a need for concubines. The 3 additional  wives is equivalent to concubines. My apologies if my narratives offended Islam in any way.

[Ali Imran]

Islam allow the men to have 4 wives legally. Is there still a need for concubines. The 3 additional  wives is equivalent to concubines. My apologies if my narratives offended Islam in any way.

No need for apologies. Your question is fair.

Concubines are not legally recognized but wives are. That means, the wives have rights, like inheritance and such.

[Ali Imran]

Ask you how you treat your family....you come and tell me your prophet is your role model! 

Forced religious conversion
Owning of slaves
Allowing the massacre of 600+ Jewish men and boys
Ordering the murders of his critics 
Marrying his first cousin
Having sex with said slaves
Antisemitism
Misogyny
Spousal abuse

That's your role model my friend...I could go on...Aisha.,I forget to list her

Do you know that you are spreading lies about our prophet? You have not read anything about our prophet from any credible historians so what makes you think you can pass comments about our prophet without any knowledge at all?

[Lukongsimi]

[Oyk]

Do you know that you are spreading lies about our prophet? You have not read anything about our prophet from any credible historians so what makes you think you can pass comments about our prophet without any knowledge at all?

Instead of just saying lies!  not credible! why are you unable to show us which one is the lie, all of them?  And why it is a lie.  Which is your source for saying the opposite of all of the above?

[pinkpanther]

Do you know that you are spreading lies about our prophet? You have not read anything about our prophet from any credible historians so what makes you think you can pass comments about our prophet without any knowledge at all?

You have the credible historians, the scholars....then show me the opposite of what I listed then! Show me he didn't do this and that...prove me wrong!

[Ali Imran]

Instead of just saying lies!  not credible! why are you unable to show us which one is the lie, all of them?  And why it is a lie.  Which is your source for saying the opposite of all of the above?

Can I say negative things about you without any knowledge, like you're a child abuser, and then ask you to prove to me that you are not?

Is that fair?

[Ali Imran]

You have the credible historians, the scholars....then show me the opposite of what I listed then! Show me he didn't do this and that...prove me wrong!

You're a child abuser. 

Now, show me you are not. Prove me wrong.

[Goldmine]

No need for apologies. Your question is fair.

Concubines are not legally recognized but wives are. That means, the wives have rights, like inheritance and such.

My point is since Islam allow the men to have 4 wives why would there be concubines. 4 wives is already one too many. There is no need for the men to have concubines.  If a married man like another girl and have not reach the limit allowed he can just marry her as his 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th.  No need for the forbidence of the word concubines in Quaran. Irrrelevant as I don't think the men wld have four wives. In ancient China the dynasty era there are concubines. In the Malay dynasty are there?

[pinkpanther]

You're a child abuser. 

Now, show me you are not. Prove me wrong.

What I listed can be easily found online...
If you don wish to prove me wrong....it is OK! 
It is your role model...not mine 

[Oyk]

Can I say negative things about you without any knowledge, like you're a child abuser, and then ask you to prove to me that you are not?

Is that fair?

I see.

So whatever a Muslim does, he just says "What's wrong with that? I follow in the footsteps of Muhammad pbuh who is my role model."

And if anything is said about Muhammad pbuh which is negative, it is a lie although you cannot prove otherwise, not even with historical records of him never having slaves, never having ordered the massacre and so on.

Liddat, you win liao lorh.

[Tee tiong huat]

Key to Hell?🙄
I thought everyone can go to heaven.

[Tee tiong huat]

[pinkpanther]

My point is since Islam allow the men to have 4 wives why would there be concubines. 4 wives is already one too many. There is no need for the men to have concubines.  If a married man like another girl and have not reach the limit allowed he can just marry her as his 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th.  No need for the forbidence of the word concubines in Quaran. Irrrelevant as I don't think the men wld have four wives.  In ancient China the dynasty era there are concubines. In the Malay dynasty are there?

In Islamic law concubine is used to refer to a slave woman who is a man's legal sexual partner as a result of his ownership of her.. a sex slave is the correct word

[Ali Imran]

What I listed can be easily found online...
If you don wish to prove me wrong....it is OK! 
It is your role model...not mine 

I see.
So whatever a Muslim does, he just says "What's wrong with that? I follow in the footsteps of Muhammad pbuh who is my role model."
And if anything is said about Muhammad pbuh which is negative, it is a lie although you cannot prove otherwise, not even with historical records of him never having slaves, never having ordered the massacre and so on.
Liddat, you win liao lorh.

Ok. Listen to one credible historian. He will tell you that there are lies made by the West, heaped on our prophet. 

Is that enough for now? If you really did a study of any particular issue, like his marriage to Aisha, the first scholar in Islam, then I will discuss with you.

[Oyk]

My point is since Islam allow the men to have 4 wives why would there be concubines. 4 wives is already one too many. There is no need for the men to have concubines.  If a married man like another girl and have not reach the limit allowed he can just marry her as his 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th.  No need for the forbidence of the word concubines in Quaran. Irrrelevant as I don't think the men wld have four wives.  In ancient China the dynasty era there are concubines. In the Malay dynasty are there?

I suppose the law forbidding having a concubine would be redundant if the man can jitao marry the woman(en).

But if he gets tired of piaking the same abalones, or the women turned out to be bad in bed, very frigid like a dead fish, he may still desire another woman.  If having a concubine is forbidden, and would get the whole community surrounding him, so he shant dare try, he may secretly have a mistress, or look for a prostitute.

Ali may deny that such things happened because he will demand proof, cannott anyhow say peepur are child abuser yadda yadda....

[pinkpanther]

Ok. Listen to one credible historian. He will tell you that there are lies made by the West, heaped on our prophet. 

Is that enough for now? If you really did a study of any particular issue, like his marriage to Aisha, the first scholar in Islam, then I will discuss with you.

You win liao lor...
Is this how you defend your role model....just throw one article.
He deserves more than that puny attempt!

[cityhantam]

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[Tee tiong huat]

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short rain poems

[Ali Imran]

My point is since Islam allow the men to have 4 wives why would there be concubines. 4 wives is already one too many. There is no need for the men to have concubines.  If a married man like another girl and have not reach the limit allowed he can just marry her as his 2nd wife or 3rd or 4th.  No need for the forbidence of the word concubines in Quaran. Irrrelevant as I don't think the men wld have four wives.  In ancient China the dynasty era there are concubines. In the Malay dynasty are there?

When we marry a woman, coz we want her for that sex reason, we enter into an agreement. We agree to give the woman her rights as stipulated in the Shariah. This is called the nikah, done during the solemnization. I wonder if you have seen it. The agreement protects the woman.

When we take a mistress, we don't have to agree to anything. The man gets what he wants but the woman loses in the long run.

That is the difference. But yeah, we want that sex thing. I'm honest about it. I'm a regular man. I don't need to go for cardio at the gym. Sex is the best cardio.

[Oyk]

Ok. Listen to one credible historian. He will tell you that there are lies made by the West, heaped on our prophet. 

Is that enough for now? If you really did a study of any particular issue, like his marriage to Aisha, the first scholar in Islam, then I will discuss with you.

The angmoh-looking man there is a Muslim?  You are calling another Muslim in to support your contention?  You win again lorh!

Now, am I right that you are saying that Aishah was the first Islamic scholar?

[cityhantam]

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[Ali Imran]

You win liao lor...
Is this how you defend your role model....just throw one article.
He deserves more than that puny attempt!

It seems to me that you didn't read properly. 

If you have made a study on any topic about our prophet, then I will discuss with you. Otherwise, you're just doing a red herring. I won't entertain that. I'm not your performing seal.

[Oyk]

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This is for you.  Nice song.  You can read Chinese so I am sure you can appreciate the song even better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3S3OgMA1Y

[pinkpanther]

It seems to me that you didn't read properly. 

If you have made a study on any topic about our prophet, then I will discuss with you. Otherwise, you're just doing a red herring. I won't entertain that. I'm not your performing seal.

If you choose not to prove me wrong..it is OK.
I don need to know his views..he is not mention in the quran or hadith.
His views holds no weight...who is he?

I need to know your arguments not his..
You becoming a hussy nowadays huh Ali!

[Ali Imran]

The angmoh-looking man there is a Muslim?  You are calling another Muslim in to support your contention?  You win again lorh!

Now, am I right that you are saying that Aishah was the first Islamic scholar?

I don't think he was a Muslim but he was a historian. 

Aisha was the first scholar, a debatable point but good enough.

[Ali Imran]

If you choose not to prove me wrong..it is OK.
I don need to know his views..he is not mention in the quran or hadith.
His views holds no weight...who is he?

I need to know your arguments not his..
You becoming a hussy nowadays huh Ali!

He was a historian. An academic. What he said carries weight. 

I will not entertain your red herring. If you want to discuss or argue, go make a study on any points and come back here. I will know if you have made a study.