Why inactivated vaccines are better?
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That prospect has led many scientists to hope that T cells will serve as an effective backup when antibodies fail. If these immune cells can fight Omicron, they may prevent many infections from turning into severe disease.

After a cell is infected with the coronavirus, T cells can learn to recognize fragments of viral proteins that end up on the cell's outer surface. The T cells then kill the infected cell, or alert the immune system to launch a stronger attack against the virus.

Alessandro Sette, an immunologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology, and Andrew Redd of the National Institutes of Health reported that despite Omicron’s many mutations, most of the protein fragments recognized by T cells are identical to those of other variants.

Those findings suggest that T cells trained by vaccines or previous infections will respond aggressively to Omicron, rather than standing by. “It appears the T cell response is largely preserved,” Dr. Sette said.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/15/healt...ggest.html
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(18-12-2021, 11:29 PM)guffaw Wrote:  [Image: 265794462-284146813740749-3125378206447334051-n.jpg]


looks like those promotion sales leaflet you get from malls or those IT fair  Laughing
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(18-12-2021, 11:29 PM)guffaw Wrote:  [Image: 265794462-284146813740749-3125378206447334051-n.jpg]



Your mother originate from India?  Big Grin
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Not only live organisms or inactivated virus particles can induce T cells as well as antibody responses, but mRNA vaccines can also induce T-cells and antibody responses. Think the rest of the other vaccines can also do the same. 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/202107...ction.aspx

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34636722/

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(18-12-2021, 11:54 PM)happyharvest Wrote:  looks like those promotion sales leaflet you get from malls or those IT fair  Laughing

so funny  Laughing

laugh until cannot sleep
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(18-12-2021, 03:27 PM)theold Wrote:  That prospect has led many scientists to hope that T cells will serve as an effective backup when antibodies fail. If these immune cells can fight Omicron, they may prevent many infections from turning into severe disease.

After a cell is infected with the coronavirus, T cells can learn to recognize fragments of viral proteins that end up on the cell's outer surface. The T cells then kill the infected cell, or alert the immune system to launch a stronger attack against the virus.

Alessandro Sette, an immunologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology, and Andrew Redd of the National Institutes of Health reported that despite Omicron’s many mutations, most of the protein fragments recognized by T cells are identical to those of other variants.

Those findings suggest that T cells trained by vaccines or previous infections will respond aggressively to Omicron, rather than standing by. “It appears the T cell response is largely preserved,” Dr. Sette said.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/15/healt...ggest.html

The article is full of words like "likely", "may", "suggest", bla bla bla but the headline sleight of hand by using the word "will"

Only someone with confirmation bias will take that retarded leap to accept the article as facts

In a nutshell, these researchers dont fking know!
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(18-12-2021, 11:59 PM)CHAOS Wrote:  Your mother originate from India?  Big Grin

Your reply is meaningless. 

Reply should be India only couple millions take mRNA, 
1000millions take inactivated or vector vaccines.  
Must they vaccinated three times to consider vaccinated before allow in?
If not, is MOH discriminate Sporeans, put Sporeans in disadvantage and risk.

Also the data is small, range of participants are not broad.
Finally MOH need to tell what variants are they talking about. As no one is using Sg data.
and is greatly different from rest of the world. Did mRNA include booster while inactivated not included.

Delta variant: Pfizer Covid vaccine 39% effective in ...
https://www.cnbc.com › 2021 › 07 › 23 › delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html
Jul 23, 2021Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country's Health Ministry.
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When US Dr. Fauci said he and his team felt that 3 doses should be the primary doses for mRNA vaccines, this means that 2 doses are not effective.
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When these vaccines r under EUL aka experimental... there r bound to b failures... thus we had snakes n ladders for breakthroughs n lock downs

There is no right or wrong decisions. 
One only has to bear the consequences that one makes  Big Grin
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(19-12-2021, 12:43 AM)WhatDoYouThink? Wrote:  so funny  Laughing

laugh until cannot sleep

he is anti-vax all around…u the same gang?… Laughter-13
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(18-12-2021, 11:59 PM)CHAOS Wrote:  Your mother originate from India?  Big Grin

You originate from toilet bowl?
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(18-12-2021, 11:54 PM)happyharvest Wrote:  looks like those promotion sales leaflet you get from malls or those IT fair  Laughing

From government website.
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(19-12-2021, 08:03 AM)pervertosan Wrote:  he is anti-vax all around…u the same gang?… Laughter-13

you aso voodoo promoter? … Laughter-13
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(19-12-2021, 02:35 AM)Galilo_l Wrote:  When these vaccines r under EUL aka experimental... there r bound to b failures... thus we had snakes n ladders for breakthroughs n lock downs

Jab vaccine not capable to handle mucous membranes infections.

If continue jab strategy, there will be no end approach, nasal vaccine and nasal inhibitor should be implemented already.
It is two years after initial panic, we learn so much about the virus, there should be improve methods by now. 
Vaccine, inhibitor etc are already available. 

In fact  inactivated, vector, mRNA, sub protein  can also change from jab to nasal methods. 
It using very small portion of the dose and protect the most possible entry point, the nose.
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(19-12-2021, 10:59 AM)WhatDoYouThink? Wrote:  you aso voodoo promoter? … Laughter-13

Laughter-13 …no originality…everything also copy…useless winnie licker
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(19-12-2021, 12:56 AM)watchfirst9 Wrote:  Your reply is meaningless. 

Reply should be India only couple millions take mRNA, 
1000millions take inactivated or vector vaccines.  
Must they vaccinated three times to consider vaccinated before allow in?
If not, is MOH discriminate Sporeans, put Sporeans in disadvantage and risk.

Also the data is small, range of participants are not broad.
Finally MOH need to tell what variants are they talking about. As no one is using Sg data.
and is greatly different from rest of the world. Did mRNA include booster while inactivated not included.

Delta variant: Pfizer Covid vaccine 39% effective in ...
https://www.cnbc.com › 2021 › 07 › 23 › delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html
Jul 23, 2021Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country's Health Ministry.



You are newbie here  Big Grin
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(19-12-2021, 08:23 AM)guffaw Wrote:  You originate from toilet bowl?


Why dont you migrate back to India since you hate Chinese so much?  Cool
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(19-12-2021, 11:13 AM)watchfirst9 Wrote:  Jab vaccine not capable to handle mucous membranes infections.

If continue jab strategy, there will be no end approach, nasal vaccine and nasal inhibitor should be implemented already.
It is two years after initial panic, we learn so much about the virus, there should be improve methods by now. 
Vaccine, inhibitor etc are already available. 

In fact  inactivated, vector, mRNA, sub protein  can also change from jab to nasal methods. 
It using very small portion of the dose and protect the most possible entry point, the nose.

In S'pore context vaccination n incoming covid pills for covid patients r the only options... nasal spray uvc treatments etc has been touted as promising but will only b pte limited in market... 
Expect TH n stakeholders to destroy their golden goose? Not a fat chance.

There is no right or wrong decisions. 
One only has to bear the consequences that one makes  Big Grin
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(19-12-2021, 08:24 AM)guffaw Wrote:  From government website.

I know. I just saying look similar
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(19-12-2021, 08:03 AM)pervertosan Wrote:  he is anti-vax all around…u the same gang?… Laughter-13

If I'm "anti-vax" then u are anti-truth
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(19-12-2021, 12:25 PM)CHAOS Wrote:  You are newbie here  Big Grin

I  point out his flaws and let everybody knows he is without any truth backing while you squabble. 

Anyway moderna will perform way better than Pfizer against Delta, but fare way worse than pfizer against Omicron 
It shows the two despite mRNA , also have differences and they taken portion of the spike proteins.
In short how can one base part of the virus body and suppose the body identify everything.
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(19-12-2021, 01:04 PM)Galilo_l Wrote:  In S'pore context vaccination n incoming covid pills for covid patients r the only options... nasal spray uvc treatments etc has been touted as promising but will only b pte limited in market... 
Expect TH n stakeholders to destroy their golden goose? Not a fat chance.

They preparing endemic, we must prove them wrong.

If to continue jab vaccines, for this Omicron alone, should take another 3 new jabs. 
not just another booster jab.
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(19-12-2021, 01:54 PM)watchfirst9 Wrote:  They preparing endemic, we must prove them wrong.

If to continue jab vaccines, for this Omicron alone, should take another 3 new jabs. 
not just another booster jab.

We can only hope and pray that the 4th jab will be the last of jabs for us......... crying
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