excellent response to Tommy Koh FB post calling to punish the unvaxed.
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Here's one excellent response to Tommy Koh FB post calling to punish the unvaxed. Good rebuttal from a Nathaniel Chua:

"It’s a pity.

You have lived to such an old age, seen much and yet shown immaturity in your analysis and suggestions.

Was expecting more from a senior / 前辈.

Towards the end of your post where you mentioned about punished the unvaxxed, you lost me there.

First of all you are an experimental subject. Read the HSA disclaimer or notice. They are  monitoring their trials. And they said it’s to prevent covid 19 infections. Which data has already shown it can’t really protect anyone from getting infected.

Second of all, it says it reduces severe symptoms. Do I need to mention from MoH website that 80% of the cases are mild flu to no symptoms? How can you reduce no symptoms? In the past the word “healthy” is used to describe such an individual. Now it’s called asymptomatic.

Thirdly, there are people suffering from post jab side effects. If you choose to deny them, be careful what u wish for when ur booster shot comes. We need an empathetic society, not one that turns a blind eye and protect a vaccine not a victim.

Fourth, instead of using your years of persuasion ability, you suggested punishment. It’s sad to see that coming from someone who should have a vast experience of interacting with human beings to know how to listen and understand more. Seek to understand before you seek to be understood.

Next, the unvaxxed aren’t the one affecting the businesses. It’s the virus itself. Get that clear. Don’t try shift the blame. And sing the same tune as the Govt or Straits times. If so, whole singapore should be blamed last year before vaccines came in?

Again, if you are still sane and able to think. How did “delta” come in? Was it caused by the unvaccinated? Stop shifting the blame. You need to identify the root of the problem before you can seek to solve it. I believe you should already know that considering u have lived to an old age.

Last but not least. Would you use a penknife to hammer a nail? Why not? Sure u can. But u know it’s not a one side fit all thing when it comes to medicine or vaccines.
From your previous post that both your spouse and yourself have no side effects after jab, therefore the rest of the senior population should go for it too since it’s proven by you to be safe. This itself once again, show your inability to think.
If someone is allergic to eggs and you aren’t, does that mean the someone must eat eggs like u?

We know our bodies best. We are responsible for our own health. Just like ur education. You choose and craft out ur own paths. So for you to promote and wanting to punish people who choose not to vax, I certainly pray it’s not the vaccine that cause u to be so short sighted and make such an uninformed suggestion.

The world is in a better place if people can come to understand that there are treatments readily available (that don’t help big Pharmas earn big bucks) besides their vaccine products. If not how our pool of huge infected dorm workers recovered last year?

And please, now you have become a silent spreader should you be infected. Pls be afraid like many others, stay home. Ps do not suggest that you wanna come out and dine in. Cause u may pass it onto unvaxxed and also the vaxxed who may bring home to their unvaxxed loved ones (kids).

Protect the people in singapore, such as folks like myself and the other seniors. That’s what the task force said right. Take it to protect your loved ones. And people around you.

Stay blessed Tommy. And pray for wisdom.
I am worried for you and how the vaccine has caused you perhaps to type unwise fb posts.

Oh FYI, if you miss your booster shot, you may be categorized by the Govt into the unvaccinated group too. ? let’s see how many booster shots your body is able to take before you begin to say no. Don’t worry, we will still accept you.

We love people, humans. Just not so much of big Pharmas who want the pandemic to last as long as possible. A patient healed= a customer lost."
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.This 4G generation leaders were still sucking thumbs when the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation were slogging away and contributing to the building of Singapore.

You 4G leaders and Govt are reaping the fruits of the labour built by our Pioneers and Merdeka Generation.

How do you now reward them? Ban them from dining out
Ban them from spending family time with their kids and grandkids.
Ban them from keeping fit at the gyms
Discriminate against them and the unvaccinated by telling them they don’t have a choice unless they jab so you can open the borders.

Use the hypocritical excuse that you are doing all this to them just to protect them. Really????

It’s despicable what the present Govt is doing to the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation (and children and people). Their bodies do not belong to the Govt!!

Never in the history of Singapore have we had such disappointing leadership who are clueless and think the only way is to ban the poor unvaccinated seniors (and all unvaccinated people) from activities and dining out.

To think we laboured and slaved away for these ungrateful heartless bunch of leaders!!!

You may as well send the poor seniors (and unvaccinated people) to concentration camps because of your draconian attempts to force the jabs on them.

Do you think many are going to sing the National Anthem & recite the Pledge???

It’s heartbreaking to see this Govt treating our poor seniors (and all unvaccinated people) who want to make a choice for their own bodies.

The seniors and everyone have their reasons not to vaccinate and you should respect that.

If you are so confident of the beloved vaccines, what are you so fearful of?

You are simply fearful they are getting in your way so stop the hypocrisy by pretending you care for them.

Such a tragedy for the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation to live to this stage and be treated with such discrimination. Very very heartbreaking!
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#3

Sorry, I don't think Nathaniel Chua's arguments are very persuasive also.
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you dun jab, I punish you!
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#5

an angry, furious Nathaniel Chua.

sound like a senior person.
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(27-07-2021, 11:29 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  Sorry, I don't think Nathaniel Chua's arguments are very persuasive also.

i agree…not here not there…trying to sound big
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#7

Punishment is good and works in singapore. We are a fine city.
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#8

Vaccination is voluntary, not mandatory. So punishment shouldn't be mentioned in the first place.

疫苗可以不打, 手枪一定要打!
疫苗可以不注射, 精子一定要远射!
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(28-07-2021, 09:22 AM)ODA TETSURO Wrote:  Vaccination is voluntary, not mandatory. So punishment shouldn't be mentioned in the first place.

ohhh... u cannot eat out.  ask ur children tabao for u..

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(28-07-2021, 09:32 AM)OLT Wrote:  
(28-07-2021, 09:22 AM)ODA TETSURO Wrote:  Vaccination is voluntary, not mandatory. So punishment shouldn't be mentioned in the first place.

ohhh... u cannot eat out.  ask ur children tabao for u..
Wat tabao? Cook at home! Laughing
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疫苗可以不打, 手枪一定要打!
疫苗可以不注射, 精子一定要远射!
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(28-07-2021, 09:39 AM)ODA TETSURO Wrote:  
(28-07-2021, 09:32 AM)OLT Wrote:  ohhh... u cannot eat out.  ask ur children tabao for u..
Wat tabao? Cook at home! Laughing
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dont be like dynamite... everyday ckt...
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#12

Singapore will likely follow USA liao. US Civil servants and government workers will have to be vaccinated else subjected to swap tests every time.
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(27-07-2021, 11:07 PM)Talent Wrote:  Here's one excellent response to Tommy Koh FB post calling to punish the unvaxed. Good rebuttal from a Nathaniel Chua:

"It’s a pity.

You have lived to such an old age, seen much and yet shown immaturity in your analysis and suggestions.

Was expecting more from a senior / 前辈.

Towards the end of your post where you mentioned about punished the unvaxxed, you lost me there.

First of all you are an experimental subject. Read the HSA disclaimer or notice. They are  monitoring their trials. And they said it’s to prevent covid 19 infections. Which data has already shown it can’t really protect anyone from getting infected.

Second of all, it says it reduces severe symptoms. Do I need to mention from MoH website that 80% of the cases are mild flu to no symptoms? How can you reduce no symptoms? In the past the word “healthy” is used to describe such an individual. Now it’s called asymptomatic.

Thirdly, there are people suffering from post jab side effects. If you choose to deny them, be careful what u wish for when ur booster shot comes. We need an empathetic society, not one that turns a blind eye and protect a vaccine not a victim.

Fourth, instead of using your years of persuasion ability, you suggested punishment. It’s sad to see that coming from someone who should have a vast experience of interacting with human beings to know how to listen and understand more. Seek to understand before you seek to be understood.

Next, the unvaxxed aren’t the one affecting the businesses. It’s the virus itself. Get that clear. Don’t try shift the blame. And sing the same tune as the Govt or Straits times. If so, whole singapore should be blamed last year before vaccines came in?

Again, if you are still sane and able to think. How did “delta” come in? Was it caused by the unvaccinated? Stop shifting the blame. You need to identify the root of the problem before you can seek to solve it. I believe you should already know that considering u have lived to an old age.

Last but not least. Would you use a penknife to hammer a nail? Why not? Sure u can. But u know it’s not a one side fit all thing when it comes to medicine or vaccines.
From your previous post that both your spouse and yourself have no side effects after jab, therefore the rest of the senior population should go for it too since it’s proven by you to be safe. This itself once again, show your inability to think.
If someone is allergic to eggs and you aren’t, does that mean the someone must eat eggs like u?

We know our bodies best. We are responsible for our own health. Just like ur education. You choose and craft out ur own paths. So for you to promote and wanting to punish people who choose not to vax, I certainly pray it’s not the vaccine that cause u to be so short sighted and make such an uninformed suggestion.

The world is in a better place if people can come to understand that there are treatments readily available (that don’t help big Pharmas earn big bucks) besides their vaccine products. If not how our pool of huge infected dorm workers recovered last year?

And please, now you have become a silent spreader should you be infected. Pls be afraid like many others, stay home. Ps do not suggest that you wanna come out and dine in. Cause u may pass it onto unvaxxed and also the vaxxed who may bring home to their unvaxxed loved ones (kids).

Protect the people in singapore, such as folks like myself and the other seniors. That’s what the task force said right. Take it to protect your loved ones. And people around you.

Stay blessed Tommy. And pray for wisdom.
I am worried for you and how the vaccine has caused you perhaps to type unwise fb posts.

Oh FYI, if you miss your booster shot, you may be categorized by the Govt into the unvaccinated group too. ? let’s see how many booster shots your body is able to take before you begin to say no. Don’t worry, we will still accept you.

We love people, humans. Just not so much of big Pharmas who want the pandemic to last as long as possible. A patient healed= a customer lost."

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(27-07-2021, 11:08 PM)Talent Wrote:  .This 4G generation leaders were still sucking thumbs when the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation were slogging away and contributing to the building of Singapore.

You 4G leaders and Govt are reaping the fruits of the labour built by our Pioneers and Merdeka Generation.

How do you now reward them? Ban them from dining out
Ban them from spending family time with their kids and grandkids.
Ban them from keeping fit at the gyms
Discriminate against them and the unvaccinated by telling them they don’t have a choice unless they jab so you can open the borders.

Use the hypocritical excuse that you are doing all this to them just to protect them. Really????

It’s despicable what the present Govt is doing to the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation (and children and people).  Their bodies do not belong to the Govt!!

Never in the history of Singapore have we had such disappointing leadership who are clueless and think the only way is to ban the poor unvaccinated seniors (and all unvaccinated people) from activities and dining out.

To think we laboured and slaved away for these ungrateful heartless bunch of leaders!!!

You may as well send the poor seniors (and unvaccinated people) to concentration camps because of your draconian attempts to force the jabs on them.

Do you think many are going to sing the National Anthem & recite the Pledge???

It’s heartbreaking to see this Govt treating our poor seniors (and all unvaccinated people) who want to make a choice for their own bodies.

The seniors and everyone have their reasons not to vaccinate and you should respect that.

If you are so confident of the beloved vaccines, what are you so fearful of?

You are simply fearful they are getting in your way so stop the hypocrisy by pretending you care for them.

Such a tragedy for the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation to live to this stage and be treated with such discrimination. Very very heartbreaking!

Threats,  Force (Mandatory mandate), Discrimination will anger voters. Bear that in mind.
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(27-07-2021, 11:08 PM)Talent Wrote:  .This 4G generation leaders were still sucking thumbs when the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation were slogging away and contributing to the building of Singapore.

You 4G leaders and Govt are reaping the fruits of the labour built by our Pioneers and Merdeka Generation.

How do you now reward them? Ban them from dining out
Ban them from spending family time with their kids and grandkids.
Ban them from keeping fit at the gyms
Discriminate against them and the unvaccinated by telling them they don’t have a choice unless they jab so you can open the borders.

Use the hypocritical excuse that you are doing all this to them just to protect them. Really????

It’s despicable what the present Govt is doing to the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation (and children and people).  Their bodies do not belong to the Govt!!

Never in the history of Singapore have we had such disappointing leadership who are clueless and think the only way is to ban the poor unvaccinated seniors (and all unvaccinated people) from activities and dining out.

To think we laboured and slaved away for these ungrateful heartless bunch of leaders!!!

You may as well send the poor seniors (and unvaccinated people) to concentration camps because of your draconian attempts to force the jabs on them.

Do you think many are going to sing the National Anthem & recite the Pledge???

It’s heartbreaking to see this Govt treating our poor seniors (and all unvaccinated people) who want to make a choice for their own bodies.

The seniors and everyone have their reasons not to vaccinate and you should respect that.

If you are so confident of the beloved vaccines, what are you so fearful of?

You are simply fearful they are getting in your way so stop the hypocrisy by pretending you care for them.

Such a tragedy for the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation to live to this stage and be treated with such discrimination. Very very heartbreaking!
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(27-07-2021, 11:08 PM)Talent Wrote:  .This 4G generation leaders were still sucking thumbs when the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation were slogging away and contributing to the building of Singapore.

You 4G leaders and Govt are reaping the fruits of the labour built by our Pioneers and Merdeka Generation.

How do you now reward them? Ban them from dining out
Ban them from spending family time with their kids and grandkids.
Ban them from keeping fit at the gyms
Discriminate against them and the unvaccinated by telling them they don’t have a choice unless they jab so you can open the borders.

Use the hypocritical excuse that you are doing all this to them just to protect them. Really????

It’s despicable what the present Govt is doing to the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation (and children and people).  Their bodies do not belong to the Govt!!

Never in the history of Singapore have we had such disappointing leadership who are clueless and think the only way is to ban the poor unvaccinated seniors (and all unvaccinated people) from activities and dining out.

To think we laboured and slaved away for these ungrateful heartless bunch of leaders!!!

You may as well send the poor seniors (and unvaccinated people) to concentration camps because of your draconian attempts to force the jabs on them.

Do you think many are going to sing the National Anthem & recite the Pledge???

It’s heartbreaking to see this Govt treating our poor seniors (and all unvaccinated people) who want to make a choice for their own bodies.

The seniors and everyone have their reasons not to vaccinate and you should respect that.

If you are so confident of the beloved vaccines, what are you so fearful of?

You are simply fearful they are getting in your way so stop the hypocrisy by pretending you care for them.

Such a tragedy for the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation to live to this stage and be treated with such discrimination. Very very heartbreaking!

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(28-07-2021, 11:20 AM)Goldmine Wrote:  
(27-07-2021, 11:08 PM)Talent Wrote:  .This 4G generation leaders were still sucking thumbs when the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation were slogging away and contributing to the building of Singapore.

You 4G leaders and Govt are reaping the fruits of the labour built by our Pioneers and Merdeka Generation.

How do you now reward them? Ban them from dining out
Ban them from spending family time with their kids and grandkids.
Ban them from keeping fit at the gyms
Discriminate against them and the unvaccinated by telling them they don’t have a choice unless they jab so you can open the borders.

Use the hypocritical excuse that you are doing all this to them just to protect them. Really????

It’s despicable what the present Govt is doing to the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation (and children and people).  Their bodies do not belong to the Govt!!

Never in the history of Singapore have we had such disappointing leadership who are clueless and think the only way is to ban the poor unvaccinated seniors (and all unvaccinated people) from activities and dining out.

To think we laboured and slaved away for these ungrateful heartless bunch of leaders!!!

You may as well send the poor seniors (and unvaccinated people) to concentration camps because of your draconian attempts to force the jabs on them.

Do you think many are going to sing the National Anthem & recite the Pledge???

It’s heartbreaking to see this Govt treating our poor seniors (and all unvaccinated people) who want to make a choice for their own bodies.

The seniors and everyone have their reasons not to vaccinate and you should respect that.

If you are so confident of the beloved vaccines, what are you so fearful of?

You are simply fearful they are getting in your way so stop the hypocrisy by pretending you care for them.

Such a tragedy for the Pioneers and Merdeka Generation to live to this stage and be treated with such discrimination. Very very heartbreaking!

Threats,  Force (Mandatory mandate), Discrimination will anger voters. Bear that in mind.

.... 70% voters have vaccinated now.
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these 4g a bit cmi or is it the current situation too tough for them? the more ah koon kaya appears on tv, the more I feel so
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(28-07-2021, 03:45 PM)OLT Wrote:  
(28-07-2021, 11:20 AM)Goldmine Wrote:  Threats,  Force (Mandatory mandate), Discrimination will anger voters. Bear that in mind.

.... 70% voters have vaccinated now.

Good. I am not against healthy people taking the vaccine.   If elderly people do not want to take the jab, it is their choice. They have a reason for not taking the jab. I do not wish to repeat again. Its very tiresome.  
Vaccination should not be forced directly or indirectly. If u forced him or her to a corner. He/she took the jab and collapse with severe side effects and never recover. Are u going to take responsibility for it? How?  Can u bring him back to life?
The elderly wld have given his reason for not taking the jab.  But, U refused to listen and insist that he will be alright after the jab.  He landed in hospital and died instead. They will say- his heart attack and death - not related to the vaccine.  Angry  Bloody hell! if he had not taken the jab, he wld still be alive.
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