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As fighting continues in the Middle East, a new genetic study shows that many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.

The results match historical accounts that some Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.


The Y chromosome, bottom right, pegs Jews and Arabs as cousins.

https://www.science.org/content/article/...t-ancestry

It is the selfish leaders of both sides that created the cracks. 
Leaders using violence hatred to gain political power.

Commoners have no choice because of their family assets are at stake.

(02-05-2024, 12:15 PM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]It is the selfish leaders of both sides that created the cracks. 
Leaders using violence hatred to gain political power.

Commoners have no choice because of their family assets are at stake.

It is the religion that separates them.

(02-05-2024, 12:04 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]As fighting continues in the Middle East, a new genetic study shows that many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.

The results match historical accounts that some Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.


The Y chromosome, bottom right, pegs Jews and Arabs as cousins.

https://www.science.org/content/article/...t-ancestry

Isaac and Ishmael both were sons of Abraham lah!  Brothers lah!

(02-05-2024, 12:44 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]It is the religion that separates them.

Not really ...
Many countries have different religions living side by side.

Jewish people are not Christian. It is not the Muslim vs Christian war typical case.

Isreal and Palestine conflicts are all about the land. Both doesn't recognise each statehood. Long historical dispute for powers.

(02-05-2024, 12:58 PM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]Not really ...
Many countries have different religions living side by side.

Jewish people are not Christian. It is not the Muslim vs Christian war typical case.

Isreal and Palestine conflicts are all about the land. Both doesn't recognise each statehood. Long historical dispute for powers.

Israel was created in Palestine artificially after the war by Britain and the Britain and the U.S., that was when all the conflicts started.

(02-05-2024, 12:47 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Isaac and Ishmael both were sons of Abraham lah!  Brothers lah!

Correct lah, Mr Lee.

Same familee why fight until 鱼死网破？

(02-05-2024, 01:01 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]Israel was created in Palestine artificially after the war by Britain and the Britain and the U.S., that was when all the conflicts started.

Early History of Israel

Much of what scholars know about Israel’s ancient history comes from the Hebrew Bible. According to the text, Israel’s origins can be traced back to Abraham, who is considered the father of Judaism (through his son Isaac) and Islam (through his son Ishmael) and Christianity (through Isaac).

Abraham’s descendants were thought to be enslaved by the Egyptians for hundreds of years before settling in Canaan, which is approximately the region of modern-day Israel.

The word Israel comes from Abraham’s grandson, Jacob, who was renamed “Israel” by the Hebrew God in the Bible.

King David and King Solomon

King David ruled the region around 1000 B.C. His son, who became King Solomon, is credited with building the first holy temple in ancient Jerusalem. In about 931 B.C., the area was divided into two kingdoms: Israel in the north and Judah in the south.

Around 722 B.C., the Assyrians invaded and destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel. In 568 B.C., the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the first temple, which was replaced by a second temple in about 516 B.C.

For the next several centuries, the land of modern-day Israel was conquered and ruled by various groups, including the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians, Mamelukes, Islamists and others.

The Balfour Declaration

From 1517 to 1917, what is today Israel, along with much of the Middle East, was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire is no longer in existence, so it does not have a new name. It was divided up after the end of World War I. What was left of the empire became the Republic of Turkey in 1923.

But World War I dramatically altered the geopolitical landscape in the Middle East. In 1917, at the height of the war, British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour submitted a letter of intent supporting the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The British government hoped that the formal declaration—known thereafter as the Balfour Declaration—would encourage support for the Allies in World War I.

When World War I ended in 1918 with an Allied victory, the 400-year Ottoman Empire rule ended, and Great Britain took control over what became known as Palestine (modern-day Israel, Palestine and Jordan).

The Balfour Declaration and the British mandate over Palestine were approved by the League of Nations in 1922. Arabs vehemently opposed the Balfour Declaration, concerned that a Jewish homeland would mean the subjugation of Arab Palestinians.

The British controlled Palestine until Israel, in the years following the end of World War II, became an independent state in 1947.

(02-05-2024, 01:02 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]Correct lah, Mr Lee.

Sarah was barren so she gave Abraham her maid Haggar lah!  Then Haggar got pregnant with Ishmael and Sarah was jealous lah! So when Sarah was pregnant with Isaac, she chased Haggar and Ishmael away lah! So they ended up in Palestine lah!

(02-05-2024, 02:15 PM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]Early History of Israel

Much of what scholars know about Israel’s ancient history comes from the Hebrew Bible. According to the text, Israel’s origins can be traced back to Abraham, who is considered the father of Judaism (through his son Isaac) and Islam (through his son Ishmael) and Christianity (through Isaac).

Abraham’s descendants were thought to be enslaved by the Egyptians for hundreds of years before settling in Canaan, which is approximately the region of modern-day Israel.

The word Israel comes from Abraham’s grandson, Jacob, who was renamed “Israel” by the Hebrew God in the Bible.

King David and King Solomon

King David ruled the region around 1000 B.C. His son, who became King Solomon, is credited with building the first holy temple in ancient Jerusalem. In about 931 B.C., the area was divided into two kingdoms: Israel in the north and Judah in the south.

Around 722 B.C., the Assyrians invaded and destroyed the northern kingdom of Israel. In 568 B.C., the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the first temple, which was replaced by a second temple in about 516 B.C.

For the next several centuries, the land of modern-day Israel was conquered and ruled by various groups, including the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians, Mamelukes, Islamists and others.

The Balfour Declaration

From 1517 to 1917, what is today Israel, along with much of the Middle East, was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire is no longer in existence, so it does not have a new name. It was divided up after the end of World War I. What was left of the empire became the Republic of Turkey in 1923.

But World War I dramatically altered the geopolitical landscape in the Middle East. In 1917, at the height of the war, British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour submitted a letter of intent supporting the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The British government hoped that the formal declaration—known thereafter as the Balfour Declaration—would encourage support for the Allies in World War I.

When World War I ended in 1918 with an Allied victory, the 400-year Ottoman Empire rule ended, and Great Britain took control over what became known as Palestine (modern-day Israel, Palestine and Jordan).

The Balfour Declaration and the British mandate over Palestine were approved by the League of Nations in 1922. Arabs vehemently opposed the Balfour Declaration, concerned that a Jewish homeland would mean the subjugation of Arab Palestinians.

The British controlled Palestine until Israel, in the years following the end of World War II, became an independent state in 1947.

The thing is many Palestinians (13%) are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. And Eastern Europeans immigrants in Israel whose ancestors were not related to ancient Jews in Israel established a new country called Israel after the war and they discriminate, mistreat, bully and kill Palestinians including other with Jewish ancestry who have lived in their land for 2000 years.

(02-05-2024, 02:19 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Sarah was barren so she gave Abraham her maid Haggar lah!  Then Haggar got pregnant with Ishmael and Sarah was jealous lah! So when Sarah was pregnant with Isaac, she chased Haggar and Ishmael away lah! So they ended up in Palestine lah!

Stop bluff, Mr Lee.😅

(02-05-2024, 02:19 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Sarah was barren so she gave Abraham her maid Haggar lah!  Then Haggar got pregnant with Ishmael and Sarah was jealous lah! So when Sarah was pregnant with Isaac, she chased Haggar and Ishmael away lah! So they ended up in Palestine lah!

Hagar cast outAt a celebration after Isaac was weaned, Sarah found the teenage Ishmael mocking her son (Genesis 21:9). She was so upset by the idea of Ishmael inheriting their wealth, that she demanded that Abraham send Hagar and her son away. She declared that Ishmael would not share in Isaac's inheritance.

本是同根生，相煎何太急

(02-05-2024, 02:19 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Sarah was barren so she gave Abraham her maid Haggar lah!  Then Haggar got pregnant with Ishmael and Sarah was jealous lah! So when Sarah was pregnant with Isaac, she chased Haggar and Ishmael away lah! So they ended up in Palestine lah!

Mr Lee, what happened to Yaccob ?

(02-05-2024, 02:19 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Sarah was barren so she gave Abraham her maid Haggar lah!  Then Haggar got pregnant with Ishmael and Sarah was jealous lah! So when Sarah was pregnant with Isaac, she chased Haggar and Ishmael away lah! So they ended up in Palestine lah!

Very much like tw or korean tv dramas. But now got dna tests

(02-05-2024, 02:56 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is many Palestinians (13%) are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. And Eastern Europeans immigrants in Israel whose ancestors were not related to ancient Jews in Israel established a new country called Israel after the war and they discriminate, mistreat, bully and kill Palestinians including other with Jewish ancestry who have lived in their land for 2000 years.

"Palestinians (13%) are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai."

They are actually from same ancestry long time ago. It is a shame why they cannot build Isreal together into a prosperous nation. Live in harmony. 

The leaders of each sides and some other leaders of neighbouring countries, played Identity politics, Religion and Nationalism to incite hatred over decades or centuries. Leading to the lost of many innocent life.

Both sides suffered but carry on to deny each other existence. Which is a pity in mankind. 

When you want to eradicate a community, ethnicity and nationality. You will face centuries of hatred, senseless killing and suffering. 

Better to recognise each existence and live side by side, under two states as member of UN. Abiding to international laws.

(02-05-2024, 12:04 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]As fighting continues in the Middle East, a new genetic study shows that many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.

The results match historical accounts that some Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.


The Y chromosome, bottom right, pegs Jews and Arabs as cousins.

https://www.science.org/content/article/...t-ancestry

when we talk about Jews today..................we're referring to the Ashkenazi Jews that came from the Caucasus and Black Sea regions............they're not Semites at all but they control the world...........

(02-05-2024, 04:50 PM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]"Palestinians (13%) are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai."

They are actually from same ancestry long time ago. It is a shame why they cannot build Isreal together into a prosperous nation. Live in harmony. 

The leaders of each sides and some other leaders of neighbouring countries, played Identity politics, Religion and Nationalism to incite hatred over decades or centuries. Leading to the lost of many innocent life.

Both sides suffered but carry on to deny each other existence. Which is a pity in mankind. 

When you want to eradicate a community, ethnicity and nationality. You will face centuries of hatred, senseless killing and suffering. 

Better to recognise each existence and live side by side, under two states as member of UN. Abiding to international laws.

(02-05-2024, 05:07 PM)Napoleon Porlumpar Wrote: [ -> ]when we talk about Jews today..................we're referring to the Ashkenazi Jews that came from the Caucasus and Black Sea regions............they're not Semites at all but they control the world...........

They are fake Jews, DNA tests show they are not related to ancient Jews.

Netanyahu for example is from Poland, his parents migrated to Israel after the war and changed Polish name “Mileikowsky” to “Netanyahu” to look like Jewish.

(02-05-2024, 05:15 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine

On 29 November 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted the Plan as Resolution.
The first proposal for a separate Jewi.sh and Arab states in the territory

The Arab Higher Committee, the Arab League and other Arab leaders and governments rejected it on the basis that in addition to the Arabs forming a two-thirds majority, they owned a majority of the lands.

They also indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division, arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.

They announced their intention to take all necessary measures to prevent the implementation of the resolution.

Subsequently, a civil war broke out in Palestine, and the plan was not implemented.

As a result, the Israel was established on the area the United Nations had proposed for the Jewish state, as well as almost 60% of the area proposed for the Arab state. Israel also took control of West Jerusalem, which was meant to be part of an international zone. Transjordan took control of East Jerusalem and what became known as the West Bank, annexing it the following year. The territory which became the Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt but never annexed. In the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, both the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and Gaza Strip were militarily occupied by Israel, becoming known as the Palestinian territories.

The leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation has accepted in principle the concept of a two-state solution since the 1982 Arab Summit in Fez, having previously turned down such proposals since 1937.

In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel, referring to it as "the Zionist entity".

(02-05-2024, 05:29 PM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine

On 29 November 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted the Plan as Resolution.
The first proposal for a separate Jewi.sh and Arab states in the territory

The Arab Higher Committee, the Arab League and other Arab leaders and governments rejected it on the basis that in addition to the Arabs forming a two-thirds majority, they owned a majority of the lands.

They also indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division, arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.

They announced their intention to take all necessary measures to prevent the implementation of the resolution.

Subsequently, a civil war broke out in Palestine, and the plan was not implemented.

As a result, the Israel was established on the area the United Nations had proposed for the Jewish state, as well as almost 60% of the area proposed for the Arab state. Israel also took control of West Jerusalem, which was meant to be part of an international zone. Transjordan took control of East Jerusalem and what became known as the West Bank, annexing it the following year. The territory which became the Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt but never annexed. In the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, both the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and Gaza Strip were militarily occupied by Israel, becoming known as the Palestinian territories.

The leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation has accepted in principle the concept of a two-state solution since the 1982 Arab Summit in Fez, having previously turned down such proposals since 1937.

In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel, referring to it as "the Zionist entity".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/21/middleeas...index.html

(02-05-2024, 06:09 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/21/middleeas...index.html

Both sides leaders are the culprits...
Only commoners suffering in war

(02-05-2024, 03:17 PM)Niubee Wrote: [ -> ]Mr Lee, what happened to Yaccob ?

I don't know was Yaccob lah!  But I know Jacob was the son of Isaac lah! He had a twin brother Esau lah!

(02-05-2024, 02:58 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]Stop bluff, Mr Lee.😅

Bible said one lah!

(02-05-2024, 08:23 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Bible said one lah!

Use, so are you Christian, Mr Lee?😂

(02-05-2024, 08:24 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]Use, so are you Christian, Mr Lee?😂

Yes lah!