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Like that also need scrutiny?? Playing with words also takes days and days to talk about it.

Your call means if you happen to pick up the phone and the other side wanted to talk to your colleague, you just pass the phone to your friend and say “ your call”.

So simple also neeed COP to talk about it.

Waste taxpayer money

It is very important to examine what exactly "your call" meant in this case as that would help COP reveal the grey area.

You see nobody else is sure how PS and RK exactly converse when the lie was discovered.

"It's your call" meant differently under different circumstances and also has subtle differences when used in US or anywhere else like Australia.

In UK, British seldom use this term.

The key is to find out whether PS gave RK a choice to LIE in parliament.

Get it now ?

I always thought "your call" meant it's your decision to make

I will watch Monday session and share with u guys my thoughts on this.

(15-12-2021, 11:20 PM)p1acebo Wrote: [ -> ]I always thought "your call" meant it's your decision to make

Not necessary. But I dun wanna assume here, so lets watch Monday session.

(15-12-2021, 11:20 PM)p1acebo Wrote: [ -> ]I always thought "your call" meant it's your decision to make

I thought so too.

https://www.usingenglish.com/reference/i...e%20matter.

I lived with REAL US angmohs before, so I know this phrase can mean differently under different situation.

Dun believe u can ask PM to text Biden or Trump and tell them to enlighten us.

Most of us heard the phrase in movies but the scenario the phrase was presented to moviegoers are limited.

The Internet version you search is also limited.

It's your call can be a very rude phrase usually used when the person is frustrated or angry or used by a parent to an disobedient kid.

The call can have many context,

Can mean ur choice to carry on lying
Or
Can mean ur choice on when to come clean

So it depends on the context leading to the phase

(15-12-2021, 11:44 PM)maddog Wrote: [ -> ]The call can have many context,

Can mean ur choice to carry on lying
Or
Can mean ur choice on when to come clean

So it depends on the context leading to the phase

Exactly. Good explanation. Like what was the conversation betw PS and RK before this phrase.

I m glad there are still smart ppl here.

(15-12-2021, 11:15 PM)*天哥* Wrote: [ -> ]It is very important to examine what exactly "your call" meant in this case as that would help COP reveal the grey area.

You see nobody else is sure how PS and RK exactly converse when the lie was discovered.

"It's your call" meant differently under different circumstances and also has subtle differences when used in US or anywhere else like Australia.

In UK, British seldom use this term.

The key is to find out whether PS gave RK a choice to LIE in parliament.

Get it now ?

According to RK, PS told her to take the lie to the grave.

"Your call" can be taken to mean this:

PS:  Take the lie to the grave.  I will not judge you.
RK:  It's better to tell the truth.  
PS:  I'd rather you take the lie to the grave but it's your call.

RK goes to Parliament and repeats the lie several times.  She comes out feeling terrible.

RK:  Perhaps...we should tell the truth.

This is what the COP is trying to establish.  Was that what transpired between PS and RK?

(15-12-2021, 11:49 PM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]According to RK, PS told her to take the lie to the grave.

"Your call" can be taken to mean this:

PS:  Take the lie to the grave.  I will not judge you.
RK:  It's better to tell the truth.  
PS:  I'd rather you take the lie to the grave but it's your call.

RK goes to Parliament and repeats the lie several times.  She comes out feeling terrible.

RK:  Perhaps...we should tell the truth.

This is what the COP is trying to establish.  Was that what transpired between PS and RK?

Only the 2 knows. And yes COP is trying to find out what u mentioned.

But we r assuming only of course. Establising the facts is COP job...not ours.

(15-12-2021, 11:15 PM)*天哥* Wrote: [ -> ]It is very important to examine what exactly "your call" meant in this case as that would help COP reveal the grey area.

You see nobody else is sure how PS and RK exactly converse when the lie was discovered.

"It's your call" meant differently under different circumstances and also has subtle differences when used in US or anywhere else like Australia.

In UK, British seldom use this term.

The key is to find out whether PS gave RK a choice to LIE in parliament.

Get it now ?

1 It is your call 
2 I don't judge you
3 It is your own responsibility and accountability...

Imagine your boss, mentor told you this, when you confessed a grave mistake was made.
What is your take away...?

Early confession is a way to lighten the intention to an offence...ex lie, cheat,...
Meaning may lessen the punishment.

(15-12-2021, 11:20 PM)p1acebo Wrote: [ -> ]I always thought "your call" meant it's your decision to make

Yeah lor. You are the owner and the responsibility is yours  hence it your call to make the decision.

(15-12-2021, 11:23 PM)*天哥* Wrote: [ -> ]I will watch Monday session and share with u guys my thoughts on this.

if a person told his senior that he wanted to steal.

his senior said that it was his call.

will his senior be jailed if he is caught by the police ?

(16-12-2021, 12:12 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]if a person told his senior that he wanted to steal.

his senior said that it was his call.

will his senior be jailed if he is caught by the police ?

Good logic. My answer is NO.

That is the reason why i say COP need to dig what the phrase meant.

In my own personal understanding, " it's your call" is usually a phrase said by an authority over a subordinate.

Say for example, i explained to my younger brother he should not play his balls and advised him...yet he still prefer to play his balls...in a fit of an anger i told him " it's your call, I tried my best to explain ur balls will b crushed one day by your gal already..."

Get it now ?

(16-12-2021, 12:12 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]if a person told his senior that he wanted to steal.

his senior said that it was his call.

will his senior be jailed if he is caught by the police ?

Context context context

If someone is suicidal, all words you tell him or her has to be comforting and reassuring

It's not possible to get the truths across under duress as emotions and instability is interfering

(16-12-2021, 01:56 AM)Sentinel Wrote: [ -> ]Context context context

If someone is suicidal, all words you tell him or her has to be comforting and reassuring

It's not possible to get the truths across under duress as emotions and instability is interfering

Well said.

(15-12-2021, 11:53 PM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]1 It is your call 
2 I don't judge you
3 It is your own responsibility and accountability...

Imagine your boss, mentor told you this, when you confessed a grave mistake was made.
What is your take away...?

Early confession is a way to lighten the intention to an offence...ex lie, cheat,...
Meaning may lessen the punishment.

But that's not very accurate. PS did tell her cannot lie. He also ask her to take responsibility and clarify the doubt.

But it is her call on when to clarify and he won't judge her.

In this context, your call could mean she clarify now or later depending on her state of mind.

Aiya, the best ask them to take a polygrah each. Why no such procedure?

Lessons learnt....
Leaders should not speak ambiguously that can have many interpretations by subordinates. Instructions must be crystal clear with no slightest room for double meaning........

(16-12-2021, 07:39 AM)RichDad Wrote: [ -> ]But that's not very accurate. PS did tell her cannot lie. He also ask her to take responsibility and clarify the doubt.

But it is her call on when to clarify and he won't judge her.

In this context, your call could mean she clarify now or later depending on her state of mind.

Aiya, the best ask them to take a polygrah each. Why no such procedure?

Polygraph test  is not foolproof and cannot be submitted as a proof of lie......The court cannot accept a polygraph test as evidence....

(16-12-2021, 07:56 AM)Huliwang Wrote: [ -> ]Lessons learnt....
Leaders should not speak ambiguously that can have many interpretations by subordinates. Instructions must be crystal clear with no slightest room for double meaning........

We are dealing with a SEXUAL ASSUALT SURVIVOR aka A RAPE VICTIM. I believe PS or any of us here can only empathise but we can barely relate ourselves to RK RAPE experience or understand how can she react or do or her mental health SINCE I trust none of us here had been raped before including PS. We only know it is something horrible to go through.

I know because I see that PS can still be angry at RK for lying in Parliament and slammed down his phone when she is a RAPE SURVIVOR. 

PS had in his temper, forgotten RK is a RAPE SURVIVOR. His focus was on the lie and I believe any normal person would react like PS.

I say this because PS is just a normal lawyer, he is NOT A SUPREME COURT LAWYER like ET or DT where they have a chance to understand a rape victim state of mind or mental health when they relate the RAPE accounts in courts.

That is why u see PAP ET and WP DT in the COP go very easy on questioning RK. Because they are Supreme Court lawyers.

Hence our forumers here should give PS the benefit of doubt.

My late uncle KWEK LENG JOO aka CDL KWEK LENG BENG's brother told me before that: Government organs and political parties are separate.

Hence do not keep saying COP is trying to fix WP...or this is a waste of tax money...etc

PAP trying to fix WP, yes...

BUT COP will never fix any political party....AND they have a duty to dig out the REAL facts for us.

(16-12-2021, 07:39 AM)RichDad Wrote: [ -> ]But that's not very accurate. PS did tell her cannot lie. He also ask her to take responsibility and clarify the doubt.

But it is her call on when to clarify and he won't judge her.

In this context, your call could mean she clarify now or later depending on her state of mind.

Aiya, the best ask them to take a polygrah each. Why no such procedure?

PS massage to her is a general directives at best...!

MP must take ownership and accountability, it is commonsense about One's integrity in politics.

So this PS's advice given to RK is the safest way to go about...cannot go wrong in WP party and in Parliament. 

"It is your call and I won't judge you", is also a safe bet from PS leadership role...
Because it can be wrong (con't lying) or right (come clean), depending on RK personal decision. 
Either way, PS is not the one in making the decision. Rather similar to many leader telling his men can do what they wanted but "Don't get caught" !!!
So the ball was thrown in RK court.
PS is safe in the eye of law...

"I won't judge you" pertaining to whatever direction RK choose, PS will not blame her action personally. 
Meaning still can be on good terms with each other after this saga.

Again PS is on the safe side, because he supported her case "humanly" even when she was dead wrong. 
So her father will know PS is being compassionate with RK's mistake. 

The only part that may become a small problem, was PS form a DB and CEC overwhelmingly demand resign or expel.
RK may felt cheated base on PS initial approach to her case..
"Your call, Won't judge"

That explains why she made allegations in COP about being told to carry on narrative and "bring it to the grave". 

Overall, I think PS is very clever in dicing his way out of this saga...IMO.

Can't wait for Monday !

(16-12-2021, 08:15 AM)*天哥* Wrote: [ -> ]I know because I see that PS can still be angry at RK for lying in Parliament and slammed down his phone when she is a RAPE SURVIVOR.

Hmm, a mistake here.. PS was angry with RK for lying but did not know she was a rape victim when he slammed the phone. It was only after he met her then he knew about it.

(16-12-2021, 09:06 AM)*天哥* Wrote: [ -> ]Can't wait for Monday !

My takes..
RK will be dealt with seriously..
Fine....
PS will be reprimanded for poor leadership role...misleading RK into doubling down the lies..

The rest will becomes WP internal issues...
Some members may become more cautious in future...protect oneself first.
Some may resign inview of this case..

This case is different from the TC sinking fund. That was triggered due to poor handling over from PAP to WP.
Many felt WP suffering disadvantages. 

This RK is indeed a internally self inflicted damage from WP leaders, MP.
And we seen some members coming out to air their displeasure with RK being thrown under the bus by PS according to their own knowledge. 

LTK need to come out in stabilising unity within WP IMO.

(16-12-2021, 09:14 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Hmm, a mistake here.. PS was angry with RK for lying but did not know she was a rape victim when he slammed the phone. It was only after he met her then he knew about it.

Thanks for ur correction. This is a VERY IMPORTANT POINT u brought up. My memory is worsening as I am aging fast.