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How many of you holding a valid driving licence but deprived owning a car?

When have you passed your driving test?

When was the last time you own a car?

Any regrets while others can buy a  brand new MG3 Excite for S$15,000 drive-away?

If its available and you cannot afford to buy a new car costing S$15,000 on hire purchase, you must be an idiot.

(29-08-2024, 05:25 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]How many of you holding a valid driving licence but don't own a car?

When have you passed your driving test?

When was the last time you own a car?

Any regrets while others can buy a  brand new MG3 Excite for S$15,000 drive-away?
If its available and you cannot afford to buy a new car costing S$15,000 on hire purchase, you must be an idiot.

Since you cannot even afford the cheapest car as basic essentials, is it meaningful and worthwhile living on planet earth

(29-08-2024, 05:36 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]Since you cannot even afford the cheapest car as basic essentials, is it meaningful and worthwhile living on planet earth

PRC caught money laundering owners of 50 luxury cars IE Rolls-Royce cars and Ferrari.

"In the current case, the police took control of around $1 billion worth of assets in Singapore, including 105 properties, 50 vehicles, more than 250 luxury bags and watches, and more than 270 pieces of jewellery. .25 Aug 2023"

Note
 Pledge based on justice and equality thus, whether rich or poor must have equal rights to own a car (freely W/O restrictions ) like owning a mobile phone .
 

(29-08-2024, 06:12 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]PRC caught money laundering owners of 50 luxury cars IE Rolls-Royce cars and Ferrari.

"In the current case, the police took control of around $1 billion worth of assets in Singapore, including 105 properties, 50 vehicles, more than 250 luxury bags and watches, and more than 270 pieces of jewellery. .25 Aug 2023"

Note
 Pledge based on justice and equality thus, whether rich or poor must have equal rights to own a car (freely W/O restrictions ) like owning a mobile phone .
 

There's no restriction to own a car. U just need money.

(29-08-2024, 06:51 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]There's no restriction to own a car. U just need money.

Then next question 

Why anyone in other countries can buy a MG3 Excite for S$15,000 or equivalent but not in Singapore?

Only those with money launder $$$ can afford to buy but not the poor. Wheres equality

The Govt are highly paid for thus, they should solve all other problems and restrictions themselves like other country's politicians.

(29-08-2024, 06:57 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]Then next question 

Why anyone in other countries can buy a MG3 Excite for S$15,000 or equivalent but not in Singapore?

The Govt are highly paid for thus, they should solve all other problems and restrictions themselves like other country's politicians.

There'll always be problems lah. There's no way the govt can satisfy everybody.

(29-08-2024, 06:51 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]There's no restriction to own a car. U just need money.

Abolish COE , free the market,and issue same number of cars yearly thru ballots to allow buyers at dealers' prices 

Everyone has equal rights irrespective of rich or poor

(29-08-2024, 07:03 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]Abolish COE , free the market,and issue same number of cars yearly thru ballots to allow buyers at dealers' prices 

Everyone has equal rights irrespective of rich or poor

How to issue same number of cars yearly without coe? U cannot interfere with those car dealers business by dictating how many cars they can bring in per year.

(29-08-2024, 07:13 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]How to issue same number of cars yearly without coe? U cannot interfere with those car dealers business by dictating how many cars they can bring in per year.

If other countries can do it W/O COE, there's no reasons why Singapore can't?

Beside Singapore, name another small country having COE.
None

(29-08-2024, 06:51 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]There's no restriction to own a car. U just need money. 

If the Govt fails to ensure free-market fairness, this may lead to economic inefficiencies. The stance of our leaders is that as long as S'poreans are able to afford cars, we are allowed to buy as many as we wish. If the Govt targets the wealthy who worked hard for their money by surcharging them when they purchase more than 1 car, the MIW will undermine S'pore's meritocratic system.

(29-08-2024, 07:03 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]Abolish COE , free the market,and issue same number of cars yearly thru ballots to allow buyers at dealers' prices Everyone has equal rights irrespective of rich or poor

If the Govt fails to ensure fairness for all who want to own a car, it will be socially divisive and cause instability in our country. However, in land scarce S'pore, there is simply no way to make vehicles accessible to the masses. Even though car ownership is limited to a mere 11% of the population, our roads are congested during peak hours.

(29-08-2024, 07:00 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]There'll always be problems lah. There's no way the govt can satisfy everybody.

It all boils down to affordability. It is not the Govt's duty to ensure that all or most S'poreans can buy landed homes and own cars. We have to work hard for these prized possessions in land scarce S'pore.

(30-08-2024, 06:53 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: [ -> ]It all boils down to affordability. It is not the Govt's duty to ensure that all or most S'poreans can buy landed homes and own cars. We have to work hard for these prized possessions in land scarce S'pore.

Yes, but TS don't understand.

(29-08-2024, 05:25 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]How many of you holding a valid driving licence but don't own a car? When have you passed your driving test? When was the last time you own a car? Any regrets while others can buy a  brand new MG3 Excite for S$15,000 drive-away?

Car ownership in S'pore is a socially divisive issue. When I was a fresh grad waiting at the bus stop after work, I noticed others around me look on in envy whenever a luxury car stopped to drop off a passenger. Some commuters even grumbled that the drivers of these expensive cars don't look any smarter than them, and what made them deserve a car more than the commuters. It may be petty, childish or simply sour grapes, but it happened and still happens at bus stops everyday in S'pore. 

Owning a car in Singapore is like owning a HDB flat and salary cannot catch up with inflation with Gov keep increasing taxes and GST

(30-08-2024, 06:57 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but TS don't understand.

There must be alternative to COE

Issuing COE benefitted the rich not the poor

(30-08-2024, 07:07 AM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]There must be alternative to COE

Issuing COE benefitted the rich not the poor

If u r poor, where are u going to get the extra money to buy car? U will use your money for food instead right?

(30-08-2024, 07:03 AM)Cmpunk Wrote: [ -> ]Owning a car in Singapore is like owning a HDB flat and salary cannot catch up with inflation with Gov keep increasing taxes and GST

In land scarce S'pore, the intention of the Govt is to limit car ownership to only the 10% who are able to afford it. Many car models are even more expensive than HDB flats.

(30-08-2024, 07:17 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]If u r poor, where are u going to get the extra money to buy car? U will use your money for food instead right?

In a meritocratic society, it all boils down to affordability. If S'poreans are able to afford a car or more than one, the Govt won't stop us from buying as many as we are able to on our budget.

(30-08-2024, 07:22 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: [ -> ]In a meritocratic society, it all boils down to affordability. If S'poreans are able to afford a car or more than one, the Govt won't stop us from buying as many as we are able to on our budget.

When yr current code expires soon, what are you going to do? Pay 50k to renew it or 100k + 80k for a new car? Or give up driving?

(30-08-2024, 07:33 AM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote: [ -> ]When yr current code expires soon, what are you going to do? Pay 50k to renew it or 100k + 80k for a new car? Or give up driving?

A cat in Sg is an expensive depreciating asset.  I also wonder whether I should buy a brand new cat or change to just a COE cat in future

(30-08-2024, 06:57 AM)winbig Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but TS don't understand.

He will never understand 🤣🤣🤣

That's correct! In Singapore, a car is considered a luxury item rather than a necessity due to:

1. _Well-developed public transportation_: Efficient and extensive network of buses and trains (MRT) makes it easy to get around without a car.
2. _High cost of ownership_: Expensive certificate of entitlement (COE), high taxes, and parking fees make car ownership costly.
3. _Congested roads_: Singapore's limited land area and high population density lead to congested roads, making public transport a more appealing option.
4. _Alternative transportation modes_: Affordable and convenient alternatives like taxis, ride-hailing services, and cycling options are available.
5. _Government policies_: The government actively discourages car ownership to manage traffic congestion and promote a more sustainable transportation system.

As a result, many Singaporeans rely on public transportation, walk, or cycle, making a car unnecessary for daily commutes and activities.

But with a cat it is easier to find meow meow

(30-08-2024, 07:33 AM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote: [ -> ]When yr current code expires soon, what are you going to do? Pay 50k to renew it or 100k + 80k for a new car? Or give up driving?

You cannot put a price on comfort and convenience. As long as I am healthy and able to afford a car, I will carry on driving. If my savings and investments enable me to, I will continue driving even after I retire.  

(30-08-2024, 09:34 AM)p1acebo Wrote: [ -> ]But with a cat it is easier to find meow meow

In my younger days as a fresh grad from NUS, I recall my friends and colleagues remark that without a car, it would be difficult (though not impossible) to pick girls up from night spots. We had a favourite saying then that: "He who walks, walks alone".  

(30-08-2024, 09:19 AM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]That's correct! In Singapore, a car is considered a luxury item rather than a necessity. As a result, many Singaporeans rely on public transportation, walk, or cycle, making a car unnecessary for daily commutes and activities.

In the same way that not every S'porean is able to afford a landed home, condo, travel the world, own a Rolex or a Hermes bag, most residents here simply cannot afford to buy and maintain a car.   

(30-08-2024, 10:24 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: [ -> ]In the same way that not every S'porean is able to afford a landed home, condo, travel the world, own a Rolex or a Hermes bag, most residents here simply cannot afford to buy and maintain a car.   

In which country are all citizens able to afford a landed home, condo, travel the world, and own a Rolex or a Hermès bag?

Malaysia?..🤣

(30-08-2024, 10:29 AM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]In which country are all citizens able to afford a landed home, condo, travel the world, and own a Rolex or a Hermès bag? Malaysia?..🤣

Except for travelling the world, many Malaysians are able to afford a landed home, condo, own a counterfeit Rolex or a fake Hermes bag.

(30-08-2024, 10:45 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote: [ -> ]Except for travelling the world, many Malaysians are able to afford a landed home, condo, own a counterfeit Rolex or a fake Hermes bag.

Counterfeit Rolex, Hermes no use la..
All Singaporean can afford it..🤣

Malaysia home condo also no use la. No capital gains and terrible rental returns.

(30-08-2024, 10:52 AM)moonrab Wrote: [ -> ]Counterfeit Rolex, Hermes no use la..All Singaporean can afford it..🤣 Malaysia home condo also no use la. No capital gains and terrible rental returns.

My cousin and his wife worked in S'pore for a few decades and retired early back in their hometown in Ipoh where they own a bungalow and 2 cars. Nice!