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The worst impacted group is - SANDWICH CLASS or middle- income.

PAP only know how to pass the problem around like musical chair.

sure or not???

(31-01-2022, 10:26 AM)Ola Wrote: [ -> ]The worst impacted group is - SANDWICH CLASS or middle- income.

PAP only know how to pass the problem around like musical chair.

You are right to conclude thus..........

where got 'low income' unless u dont work.
waste collector is already 3k

Wrong. They are the ones that are suffering most due to the ever increasing cost of food, vegetables, meat, fish etc. They should be given more food vouchers to reduce the impact of hyper inflation. Before covid19, eg a bread roti john was $0.90 now 1.60, chai sim was 0.90 for 2 stalks now 1.25, you tiao 0.90 now 1.10. They do not read what headline inflation they are struggling with the daily costs on the dinner table.

is like a news been told to those readers " don't have brain to think " blindly read without thinking

Obviously in a way , you are already poor can buy things????

The government is simply equivocating between two different concepts. In the past it has always argued against taking raw income and CPIs as a reference to measure social inequality because in reality the lower income group receives substantial rebates, grants and vouchers to offset their daily expenses.

Now that there is "good" news that the CPI increase for lower income is not as high as upper income, suddenly there is no mention of taking into account the substantial rebates, grants and vouchers. For e.g. let's say a low income household spends $600 on food and receives $200 aid that brings down their actual cost to $400. When there is a 3% inflation for food, the food cost is actually now $824, which means actual food cost for the low income has gone up from $400 to $424. i.e. real CPI for them is actually 6%, higher than the rich people.

To be fair, there are many different ways to skin the cat and no one methodology can capture the full picture. But purposely picking on the methodology that delivers the best news for propaganda purposes isn't going to work, this is a topic that affects people on a daily basis and they are very clear what's happening on the ground.

Least impact is because already not enough money, so make no diff the prices go up … still money no enough to buy

The lowest income groups are definitely more affected by the rising prices than the rich. This spin by the govt and media is stupid.

Now, they are being judged that they'll be less impacted because they spend less on big ticket items. What stupid reasoning is this?

The poor not being able to buy a good meal for themselves compared to the rich having to fork out more for a house or car???!! Of course the poor will suffer more. At most the rich will buy less of those big ticket items but their quality of life will not be affected.

Lowest income groups eat grass most of the time, thus are least affected by rising prices.

(31-01-2022, 11:43 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]The lowest income groups are definitely more affected by the rising prices than the rich. This spin by the govt and media is stupid.

Now, they are being judged that they'll be less impacted because they spend less on big ticket items. What stupid reasoning is this?

The poor not being able to buy a good meal for themselves compared to the rich having to fork out more for a house or car???!! Of course the poor will suffer more. At most the rich will buy less of those big ticket items but their quality of life will not be affected.

The rich here can chose not to buy big ticket items, therefore they are not much affected by the rise in GST.  But the GST is cast in a big net and those in the low and middle income are sure to suffer cos they need to buy essential items, e.g. rice, sugar salt, cooking oil and the like...

Straitstimes article for 3 year old kids. Lowest income is the most impacted with raising cost. Disposable income is much lesser for them.

the lower the income the more they spent because they need short term pleasure to satisfy themselves

and also thinking they save this dollar also wont make me a millionaire too.

What a skewed way of reasoning. Low income people don't own cars and don't pay for petrol doesn't mean they don't have to travel by bus. mrt or taxis. With hikes in public transport ,they too are affected. 2.4% as compared to 2.7% for the middle income. It is a lot of money for the lower income earners as all basic costs are included. Least impacted by rising costs? Don't make my toes laugh.

(31-01-2022, 12:23 PM)surfer Wrote: [ -> ]What a skewed way of reasoning. Low income people don't own cars and don't pay for petrol doesn't mean they don't have to travel by bus. mrt or taxis. With hikes in public transport ,they too are affected. 2.4% as compared to 2.7% for the middle income. It is a lot of money for the lower income earners as all basic costs are included. Least impacted by rising costs? Don't make my toes laugh.

How can the poor be least affected by a rise in GST.....They need to buy necessities, and travel by public transport, and see a doctor when they get sick.  All these costs are 'eating' away their disposable incomes.....

They r given with all kind of vouchers, food, grocery , maintensce condom erc vouchers...ask n u shall receive from this generous govt...

(31-01-2022, 12:31 PM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]How can the poor be least affected by a rise in GST.....They need to buy necessities, and travel by public transport, and see a doctor when they get sick.  All these costs are 'eating' away their disposable incomes.....

U r farking brilliant at repeating what others said. Why u dont hv a farking brain of your own?

Maybe those goondus who like your farking stupid posts make u feel farking smart right?

They always avoid topics on middle class but humming on Low income group

(31-01-2022, 10:27 AM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]You are right to conclude thus..........

Least impacted…
Not the rich meh?

Just like a poor man who only has $10. Every $1 increased is a huge impact to him. But to a millionaire that increase is peanuts.

Now the media can turn around to say the poor are least impacted?

Remember this Minister-

That is why I stopped buying local newspapers for maybe 10 years. Crap article.

(31-01-2022, 05:21 PM)mikotan Wrote: [ -> ]That is why I stopped buying local newspapers for maybe 10 years. Crap article.

their paid content also " copy rewrite from other sources which is FREE yes oversea News media. "

(31-01-2022, 12:31 PM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]How can the poor be least affected by a rise in GST.....They need to buy necessities, and travel by public transport, and see a doctor when they get sick.  All these costs are 'eating' away their disposable incomes.....

That was what is written in the report. The writer didn’t analyse into the topic.

(31-01-2022, 12:41 PM)Yin yang Wrote: [ -> ]They r given with all kind of vouchers, food, grocery , maintensce condom erc vouchers...ask n u shall receive from this generous govt...

Then let us follow other countries and ask for-

$5,000 subsidy for poor elderly to renovate their homes to make it safer ie hand rails, cordless phones, rubber floor

$500 subsidy for the elderly to get spectacles and annual eye check- up

$5,000 subsidy for jobless to get 10 sessions of psychiatrics sessions 

$100 free transport every year for the poor

I can give you 100 in the list.

Do you dare to represent PAP and give us the approval??

(31-01-2022, 05:26 PM)Ola Wrote: [ -> ]Then let us follow other countries and ask for-

$5,000 subsidy for poor elderly to renovate their homes to make it safer ie hand rails, cordless phones, rubber floor

$500 subsidy for the elderly to get spectacles and annual eye check- up

$5,000 subsidy for jobless to get 10 sessions of psychiatrics sessions 

$100 free transport every year for the poor

I can give you 100 in the list.

Do you dare to represent PAP and give us the approval??

That is a little too excessive......

(31-01-2022, 01:13 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Just like a poor man who only has $10. Every $1 increased is a huge impact to him. But to a millionaire that increase is peanuts.

Now the media can turn around to say the poor are least impacted?

Not so simpur lar.

Let's say A earns S$1600 a month, Btw, today, that salary is very, very "earnable".

B earns S$20K a month, and few people earn that.

A spends $400 a month on food.  If food prices rise by 10%, he would have to pay $40 more.  Can still afford it?  Of course, he can still afford that extra $40.  He's earning $1600 after all...

Let's assume that B is not one to live to eat, and he eats the same food as A...the coffee shop cai png, char kway teow and those kinds of stuff.  So, he spent $400 a month but after the increase, he also has to pay $40 more every month. Sure, that's peanuts to him.

But B has other indulgences which A does not have....Private Club membership, vacations, fine clothes, branded stuff....manicure and pedicure for his wife...a maid.  When these things increase in prices, he is going to be paying more, which A would not be paying..............

(31-01-2022, 08:13 PM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]Not so simpur lar.

Let's say A earns S$1600 a month,  Btw, today, that salary is very, very "earnable".

B earns S$20K a month, and few people earn that.

A spends $400 a month on food.  If food prices rise by 10%, he would have to pay $40 more.  Can still afford it?  Of course, he can still afford that extra $40.  He's earning $1600 after all...

Let's assume that B is not one to live to eat, and he eats the same food as A...the coffee shop cai png, char kway teow and those kinds of stuff.  So, he spent $400 a month but after the increase, he also has to pay $40 more every month. Sure, that's peanuts to him.

But B has other indulgences which A does not have....Private Club membership, vacations, fine clothes, branded stuff....manicure and pedicure for his wife...a maid.  When these things increase in prices, he is going to be paying more, which A would not..............

For the poor we're talking about survival, for the rich is about living in luxury. Who's impacted more? The rich man can do away with his club membership which he may not even frequently use and his quality of life won't even be affected much.

(31-01-2022, 08:19 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]For the poor we're talking about survival, for the rich is about living in luxury. Who's impacted more? The rich man can do away with his club membership which he may not even frequently use and his quality of life won't even be affected much.

I have given you solid numbers to illustrate.

As for you, you are simply repeating without thinking through the hard numbers...

Of course, if the guy who earns S$20K a month do away with the maid, the branded stuff, manicure and pedicure for his wife, and lives like the guy who earns $1600 a month, then he will consider paying $40 a month more to be peanuts. You are talking about a miser....someone who earns a lot but lives like a poor man...