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Why India so far behind

Hire kuching kurap ceca Indea IT is a big mistake.

They cannot see and not down to earth. Always live in ivory tower

I never believe in ranking. What's this ranking based on? Do you seriously believe US would be ranked so far below?

(19-07-2021, 10:45 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]I never believe in ranking. What's this ranking based on? Do you seriously believe US would be ranked so far below?

I definitely believe

Are all the data hacking or data exposed and sold online so far in this red dot caused by these imported so called IT experts? (wondering)

(19-07-2021, 10:49 AM)Gstalk Wrote: [ -> ]

(19-07-2021, 10:45 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]I never believe in ranking. What's this ranking based on? Do you seriously believe US would be ranked so far below?

I definitely believe

Then let's get down to basics and understand more about the ranking. What are the criteria used?

why do we need to import IT talents ?

why our Education Minister fails to train enough IT talents ?

If Singapore imports 100,000 IT talents, it means 100,000 Singaporeans are out of jobs because they are not trained
for jobs available in IT industry.

We need to change our Education Minister.

(19-07-2021, 11:32 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]why do we need to import IT talents ?

why our Education Minister fails to train enough IT talents ?

If Singapore imports 100,000 IT talents, it means 100,000 Singaporeans are out of jobs because they are not trained
for jobs available in IT industry.

We need to change our Education Minister.

Not right to say so. In any generation, there's always only a number of people who are truly good, the rest are just average or even mediocre. Take an example in 1970s to 1980s. Not so many people get a degree then but those who get are mostly good. Slowly in late 1990s to now, more and more people are able to get a degree but many of these degree holders are only the equivalent of diploma holders in the past. This is regardless of our education curriculum.

So when there are 100,000 locals doing IT, there's a good chance that more than half are only average. We definitely need overseas people to complement us. I was in the engineering field for many years (no longer so) and have benefitted from my exchange with foreigners.

china 100%?
Perfect?
Dont believe.

Told many VietCon better than India variant black fungus CECA many times

(19-07-2021, 11:46 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(19-07-2021, 11:32 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]why do we need to import IT talents ?

why our Education Minister fails to train enough IT talents ?

If Singapore imports 100,000 IT talents, it means 100,000 Singaporeans are out of jobs because they are not trained
for jobs available in IT industry.

We need to change our Education Minister.

Not right to say so. In any generation, there's always only a number of people who are truly good, the rest are just average or even mediocre. Take an example in 1970s to 1980s. Not so many people get a degree then but those who get are mostly good. Slowly in late 1990s to now, more and more people are able to get a degree but many of these degree holders are only the equivalent of diploma holders in the past. This is regardless of our education curriculum.

So when there are 100,000 locals doing IT, there's a good chance that more than half are only average. We definitely need overseas people to complement us. I was in the engineering field for many years (no longer so) and have benefitted from my exchange with foreigners.

according to minister, we are shortage of IT talents.
shortage means Education Minister has failed to train enough IT talents.

R our very own IT graduates not good enuf for the local industry? Or the industry is not attractive enuf on perks work load working hrs? Or mismatch of skills?

(19-07-2021, 12:07 PM)Galilo_l Wrote: [ -> ]R our very own IT graduates not good enuf for the local industry? Or the industry is not attractive enuf on perks work load working hrs? Or mismatch of skills?

PSP's Mr Leong Mun Wai said this IT shortage has been in Singapore for more than 15 years.

Who should be accountable for this shortage ?

(19-07-2021, 12:07 PM)Galilo_l Wrote: [ -> ]R our very own IT graduates not good enuf for the local industry? Or the industry is not attractive enuf on perks work load working hrs? Or mismatch of skills?

Depends on what kind of levels you need. To innovate, you need the top 5%, and therefore we will not have enough, given our small population. For intermediate level, maybe the top 30% of our IT people constitute that. Still not enough. Of cos, the pay also doesn't commensurate with the effort needed to acquire those knowledge.

(19-07-2021, 12:13 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]

(19-07-2021, 12:07 PM)Galilo_l Wrote: [ -> ]R our very own IT graduates not good enuf for the local industry? Or the industry is not attractive enuf on perks work load working hrs? Or mismatch of skills?

PSP's Mr Leong Mun Wai said this IT shortage has been in Singapore for more than 15 years.

Who should be accountable for this shortage ?

That is a long period enuf to drill down to address the shortfall n envision the path of growth not only for the IT industry n Spore as a whole given now we r moving into digitalisation 

(19-07-2021, 12:23 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(19-07-2021, 12:07 PM)Galilo_l Wrote: [ -> ]R our very own IT graduates not good enuf for the local industry? Or the industry is not attractive enuf on perks work load working hrs? Or mismatch of skills?

Depends on what kind of levels you need. To innovate, you need the top 5%, and therefore we will not have enough, given our small population. For intermediate level, maybe the top 30% of our IT people constitute that. Still not enough. Of cos, the pay also doesn't commensurate with the effort needed to acquire those knowledge.

That's where the issue comes in... importing from a certain South Asia or source globally... the negative feelings would not grow if we have a broad base for IT talents... and since we have fixated with one source we need to have a calibrated concessions on those dependents lanes etc... not all with familial lines 

(19-07-2021, 12:56 PM)Galilo_l Wrote: [ -> ]

(19-07-2021, 12:23 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Depends on what kind of levels you need. To innovate, you need the top 5%, and therefore we will not have enough, given our small population. For intermediate level, maybe the top 30% of our IT people constitute that. Still not enough. Of cos, the pay also doesn't commensurate with the effort needed to acquire those knowledge.

That's where the issue comes in... importing from a certain South Asia or source globally... the negative feelings would not grow if we have a broad base for IT talents... and since we have fixated with one source we need to have a calibrated concessions on those dependents lanes etc... not all with familial lines 

That's where I've always been coming from. We must look at the social impact rather than the economic one, which PAP kept emphasizing.

my class all very clever including me
no tech b/g also can do all projects and pass exam above 80%

what so big deal
only gov paint the pic like as if we are children

but worst is young ones fighting with me
think ah soh cannot cope
will fail
complain to ibm after 1st project

and most very anti social
kaisu
like the whole industry only we 17

all very worried i copy and paste my way up

all cover up
dare not reveal
very bad example
even school support such behaviour

in the end ah soh's 3 projects all top of class

what a joke

(19-07-2021, 02:28 PM)Talent Wrote: [ -> ]but worst is young ones fighting with me
think ah soh cannot cope
will fail
complain to ibm after 1st project

and most very anti social
kaisu
like the whole industry only we 17

all very worried i copy and paste my way up

all cover up
dare not reveal
very bad example
even school support such behaviour

in the end ah soh's 3 projects all top of class

what a joke

That's the trouble with sinkees. Not united, even doing an unrecognized course on internet also bad mouthing and sabo each other. No wonder bosses prefer hiring foreign talents even though they are not so talented.......

Interesting. IT people are also ranked-

HackerRank is a tech company that focuses on competitive programming challenges for both consumers and businesses, where developers compete by trying to program according to provided specifications. HackerRank's programming challenges can be solved in a variety of programming languages (including Java, C++, PHP, Python, SQL, JavaScript) and span multiple computer science domains. On the consumer side, when a programmer submits a solution to a programming challenge, their submission is scored on the accuracy of their output. Programmers are then ranked globally on the HackerRank leaderboard and earn badges based on their accomplishments to drive competition among users. In addition to individual coding challenges, HackerRank also hosts contests (often referred to by HackerRank as "CodeSprints") where users compete on the same programming challenges during a set period of time and are then ranked at the conclusion of the event. HackerRank is part of the growing gamification trend within competitive computer programming and the consumer-side of their website is free for coders to use.

(19-07-2021, 02:28 PM)Talent Wrote: [ -> ]but worst is young ones fighting with me
think ah soh cannot cope
will fail
complain to ibm after 1st project

and most very anti social
kaisu
like the whole industry only we 17

all very worried i copy and paste my way up

all cover up
dare not reveal
very bad example
even school support such behaviour

in the end ah soh's 3 projects all top of class

what a joke

Pls lah auntie. You haven't seen what is real technology yet. You just attend a course, score some high marks and think you're on top of the world already 

(19-07-2021, 08:22 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]Bringing right talent will elevate you.

I am deeply sceptical of these ranking except for China and India which seems in their appropriate positions. How come US ranks lower than Singapore? ......

(19-07-2021, 11:46 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Not right to say so. In any generation, there's always only a number of people who are truly good, the rest are just average or even mediocre. Take an example in 1970s to 1980s. Not so many people get a degree then but those who get are mostly good. Slowly in late 1990s to now, more and more people are able to get a degree but many of these degree holders are only the equivalent of diploma holders in the past. This is regardless of our education curriculum.

So when there are 100,000 locals doing IT, there's a good chance that more than half are only average. We definitely need overseas people to complement us. I was in the engineering field for many years (no longer so) and have benefitted from my exchange with foreigners.

But we also need average talent to do average work. I think our gov. failed to develop the IT industry. IT is suited for Singapore as a small country with human resource.

My kid try to enter IT in local U. The bar was set very high.

Em . . . .

If Ramesh E is not even a Coding expert ( don't need to know language, debugging . . . ) yet can earn $66k per mth in JP Morgan just as IT BPO, I wonder how much the coders for programming are paid.

Is it $200k per mth?

Don't understand employing locals must contribute CPF employer&employee where else exemption for EP holders (employers contribute minimal token $). Why are we so short change by our very own govt? High time to have level playing field and impose same cpf to EP employees to redress the problem.

(19-07-2021, 12:13 PM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]PSP's Mr Leong Mun Wai said this IT shortage has been in Singapore for more than 15 years.

Who should be accountable for this shortage ?

Ntu lah. Still sleeping in ivory tower. Cannot see years ahead that we need more IT and AI graduates.

Got high pay to sleep

Talent in creating problems for Sinkees?..

If this is the case, then I agree

NTU got new boss Ah Neh so open legs wider.