SG Talk

When Putin and Zelensky finally meet up in Turkey, the war will be over. Biden must be very disappointed.

Hopefully..

But...

after bucha, I think no more peace talk, pay back time.

Why would Putin want to meet Ze when Putin's on a winning streak & Ze's desperate for help?

The time is not ripe yet

US and NATO will fly in helicopters to bomb a few more oil depot...

(04-04-2022, 01:52 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]When Putin and Zelensky finally meet up in Turkey, the war will be over. Biden must be very disappointed.

Unfortunately, I'm not too optimistic on the prospects of a long term peace treaty. The US has every incentive to continue to throw small amounts of money and arms at Ukraine and make a big PR show out of it. 

There is very little incentive for Zelenskyy and his ilk to compromise and meet any of Russia's core demands. Consider if you were in Zelenskyy's shoes:

Option #1: Reach a compromise with the Russians and earn a bad name amongst your own people as a coward and traitor and likely at the same time incur the wrath of the Americans for not continuing the war in defense of "freedom". The Europeans will support you as they want this whole thing to end ASAP, but their track record to fold like a tent at the slightest sign of trouble hardly inspires confidence.

Option #2: Reach some half-assed short term agreement with Russia for a temporary ceasefire to show you "attempted peace" but continue to sporadically engage in conflict and diplomatic rhetoric. Money continues to flow to Ukraine and your personal swiss account and as icing on the cake you can continue to play the national hero at the comfort of your live streaming studio as the ones fighting and getting killed are just the ground troopers and civilians anyway. The Europeans might get mad at you, but hey as long as Uncle Sam promises safe passage to US and access to your USD accounts when needed, what's there to worry?

(04-04-2022, 02:26 PM)maxsanic Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately, I'm not too optimistic on the prospects of a long term peace treaty. The US has every incentive to continue to throw small amounts of money and arms at Ukraine and make a big PR show out of it. 

There is very little incentive for Zelenskyy and his ilk to compromise and meet any of Russia's core demands. Consider if you were in Zelenskyy's shoes:

Option #1: Reach a compromise with the Russians and earn a bad name amongst your own people as a coward and traitor and likely at the same time incur the wrath of the Americans for not continuing the war in defense of "freedom". The Europeans will support you as they want this whole thing to end ASAP, but their track record to fold like a tent at the slightest sign of trouble hardly inspires confidence.

Option #2: Reach some half-assed short term agreement with Russia for a temporary ceasefire to show you "attempted peace" but continue to sporadically engage in conflict and diplomatic rhetoric. Money continues to flow to Ukraine and your personal swiss account and as icing on the cake you can continue to play the national hero at the comfort of your live streaming studio as the ones fighting and getting killed are just the ground troopers and civilians anyway. The Europeans might get mad at you, but hey as long as Uncle Sam promises safe passage to US and access to your USD accounts when needed, what's there to worry?

Meeting up is not important, Putin has changed the strategy, instead of conquering Kiev and entire country, Russia is now focusing on the eastern and southern parts so that it not only controls the eastern region but also the coastal region linking to Crimea, Russia will have full control over Black Sea while Ukraine will still keep the port of Odessa. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/a...fuel-depot

(04-04-2022, 02:37 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote: [ -> ]Meeting up is not important, Putin has changed the strategy, instead of conquering Kiev and entire country, Russia is now focusing on the eastern and southern parts so that it not only controls the eastern region but also the coastal region linking to Crimea, Russia will have full control over Black Sea while Ukraine will still keep the port of Odessa. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/a...fuel-depot

Russia can surely conquer certain parts of Ukraine as and when needed, that was never in doubt. Ukraine's dead no matter what so not much to be discussed here. 

The real problem is if there is no lasting solution to this whole thing, both Russia and EU are in for a long and rough ride. The Americans will take heavy damage in their reputation and credibility for their lack of real action and betrayal of Ukraine, but in exchange they get to dance around the conflict and can conveniently suppress any EU attempts at independence and keep the Russians at bay slugging out with EU.

They tried this nonsense in Asia as well with SCS, Taiwan and North Korea. Thankfully, the Chinese steady hand, lack of balls from Taiwan to actually do anything except election campaigning combined with ASEAN's solidarity prevented the stunt from succeeding, otherwise we would be facing the same problem as EU and Russia now.

Russia will move out once mission completed
DAT'S all

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The Negotiations have become a side show, when Zelensky rejected Putin's earlier request for Ukraine to renounce joining Nato, at the start of the operations.

It is too late now.

Ukraine's JOF Army, the protector of Ukraine will be destroyed in the Donbass.

The Ukraine we knew before 24 Feb 2022 no longer exist. It will come out of this a very much different entity.

(04-04-2022, 02:09 PM)kokee Wrote: [ -> ]after bucha, I think no more peace talk, pay back time.

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