Hong Kan liao. Half of them shaking legs in UK even though 88% are graduates. 30% not financially secure. Maybe have to eat humble pie and return to HK.
Quote:Almost half of Hong Kong’s BN(O) migrants are still unemployed, struggle with language and workplace culture differences
New study finds only 18.5 per cent who moved to Britain under visa scheme had found full-time work for an employer as at end of August
But vast majority of survey participants aware that leaving Hong Kong behind would mean accepting a lower-paid job and changing industries
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Many BN(O) holders who have made the move (69.4 per cent) say they are financially secure, while 88 per cent hold either an undergraduate or a master’s degree.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/soci...unemployed
not too bad, at least half of them can find jobs
I guess things are so bad in Hong Kong for those unwilling to accept communistic rule it is better to leave.
Over time they will sort out a living....don't really see a problem as it has just been only several months.
Thought lorry drivers huge shortage and can get big sign on bonuses?
Oh wait...they prob don't have class 4 or 5 licences or equivalent.........
(13-10-2021, 11:25 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]I guess things are so bad in Hong Kong for those unwilling to accept communistic rule it is better to leave.
Over time they will sort out a living....don't really see a problem as it has just been only several months.
Not really that bad based on my relatives' feedback. (Additional note: Actually not bad at all).
What was bad was back in 2019, some of my younger relatives refused to study. They took the opportunity during the chaos created to "strike" and stopped studying. My cousin has to move them to Adelaide (daughter) and Singapore (son) to make them continue their studies.
(13-10-2021, 11:25 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]I guess things are so bad in Hong Kong for those unwilling to accept communistic rule it is better to leave.
Over time they will sort out a living....don't really see a problem as it has just been only several months.
For you ill-bred syonan licking boy, only living under white trash rule can turn you licking boy on, very on to be hot and wet to serve you goat daddies? lol
Used as political tools to upset the stability of government with the purpose of gaining another 100 years of lease?
joblessness not sure is temporary and can be sorted out, but discrimination and social isolation will stay with them for generations
Except from the article:
"Fearful of the loss of personal freedoms and losing trust in the local government, Jane Leung* left a well-paid job in human resources when she swapped Hong Kong for the British city of Nottingham in June.
Now, four months after entering the country under the government’s British National (Overseas) visa scheme, Leung is struggling to find a job."
Well good for her - great lessons learnt! She must realised the angmos don't like "Ching chongs"! Good let her rot there ... anyway I'm glad she is enjoying her human rights and freedom! At least when she rots in the city no one cares! Democracy ma!
Freedom to be jobless mah!
(13-10-2021, 12:55 PM)sporeguy Wrote: [ -> ]Except from the article:
"Fearful of the loss of personal freedoms and losing trust in the local government, Jane Leung* left a well-paid job in human resources when she swapped Hong Kong for the British city of Nottingham in June.
Now, four months after entering the country under the government’s British National (Overseas) visa scheme, Leung is struggling to find a job."
Well good for her - great lessons learnt! She must realised the angmos don't like "Ching chongs"! Good let her rot there ... anyway I'm glad she is enjoying her human rights and freedom! At least when she rots in the city no one cares! Democracy ma!
I understand that in Britain, if a person had worked for a year there, and subsequently becomes jobless, then they are eligible for social security payments.....
For some, their qualifications are not recognised there. They have to start all over again. But they can speak better English now.
(13-10-2021, 02:05 PM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]I understand that in Britain, if a person had worked for a year there, and subsequently becomes jobless, then they are eligible for social security payments.....
about sgd500/m for 6m only, must look for job and cannot study.
Now they are in a real democracy country they should exercise their rights as a British subject and demand the Johnson government to provide them with jobs, housing, medical, etc. Failure of the UK govt to meet their demand, they should protest and give ultimate and 10 demands like they gave Carrie Lam...
(13-10-2021, 11:25 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]I guess things are so bad in Hong Kong for those unwilling to accept communistic rule it is better to leave.
Over time they will sort out a living....don't really see a problem as it has just been only several months.
Maybe my stay in Shanghai was short 2 weeks but I don't really feel the communistic rule or sort. They have quite peaceful and happy lives the way I see it. The police force there also very well mannered and not like so tyrant overlords etc.
It's nothing new. We've seen the same waves from 1995 - 1998 where there was elevated numbers of HK people moving out. After a few years of plateauing, many of them started to return in early 2000s due to the realization that it wasn't that easy to attain a middle class lifestyle in a foreign land.
It is normal for many PMEs with tertiary education to think they can simply port over their professional experience and more or less take up the same job in a new country. Even when they say they are willing to accept pay cut, they really mean 10% - 20% not 50% or above and a downgrade from PME to minimum wage blue collar labor that often happens.
It's not that the UK is some horrible place, it's just that most HK people are simply not competitive in the labor market for PME type of jobs. There are good job opportunities in UK, but most of them are ill-equipped to take advantage of.
Firstly, most of them have somewhat below average but still readable written English combined with a heavily slanged broken spoken English - that's not going to make the cut as a PME in UK when competing with locals or Indians/Pakistanis (many of them migrate to UK).
Secondly, the employment market is now very difficult even for the Brits. A combination of Brexit, COVID and government incompetency is posing is significant challenges to the wider economy and other than a few high tech and financial industries, most other sectors are suffering.
Thirdly, as foreigners they simply lack the professional networks and industry knowledge of practices in UK. If given the opportunity and given a few years they might be able to slowly rebuild that, but why would companies waste time when there's plenty of better and more qualified candidates?
That really leaves them with only blue collar jobs, but even then it's not that easy. A lot of MNCs/Civil Service are heavily unionized there and the unions are not going to allow employers to hire cheap yellow monkeys even if they lower their wage expectations to minimum statutory level. The local SMEs are usually very community based and prefer to hire people in their little town/communities, it not easy even for a Brit to take up some of these jobs if they are not local in that area, much less a just arrived HK.
That leaves them often to really menial jobs like F&B service staff, hairdressing, deliverers, clerical work either being employed by HK people who migrated there earlier or at least companies that serve a predominantly Chinese clientele. That usually means horrid working hours, zero benefits and low wages.
At the end of the day the top 1% will have no issues as they have the competencies and networks to thrive no matter where they go, but as in any normal distribution most of the rest will be faced with a hard choice of either sticking it out for the rest of their lives or manage yet another upheaval going back to HK. I reckon most of these affluent PMEs have enough wealth to last them for 2-3 years in UK before they run out of gas, so within this short window period they have to somehow make it work, otherwise both options suck badly for them.
(13-10-2021, 02:31 PM)maxsanic Wrote: [ -> ]It's nothing new. We've seen the same waves from 1995 - 1998 where there was elevated numbers of HK people moving out. After a few years of plateauing, many of them started to return in early 2000s due to the realization that it wasn't that easy to attain a middle class lifestyle in a foreign land.
It is normal for many PMEs with tertiary education to think they can simply port over their professional experience and more or less take up the same job in a new country. Even when they say they are willing to accept pay cut, they really mean 10% - 20% not 50% or above and a downgrade from PME to minimum wage blue collar labor that often happens.
It's not that the UK is some horrible place, it's just that most HK people are simply not competitive in the labor market for PME type of jobs. There are good job opportunities in UK, but most of them are ill-equipped to take advantage of.
Firstly, most of them have somewhat below average but still readable written English combined with a heavily slanged broken spoken English - that's not going to make the cut as a PME in UK when competing with locals or Indians/Pakistanis (many of them migrate to UK).
Secondly, the employment market is now very difficult even for the Brits. A combination of Brexit, COVID and government incompetency is posing is significant challenges to the wider economy and other than a few high tech and financial industries, most other sectors are suffering.
Thirdly, as foreigners they simply lack the professional networks and industry knowledge of practices in UK. If given the opportunity and given a few years they might be able to slowly rebuild that, but why would companies waste time when there's plenty of better and more qualified candidates?
That really leaves them with only blue collar jobs, but even then it's not that easy. A lot of MNCs/Civil Service are heavily unionized there and the unions are not going to allow employers to hire cheap yellow monkeys even if they lower their wage expectations to minimum statutory level. The local SMEs are usually very community based and prefer to hire people in their little town/communities, it not easy even for a Brit to take up some of these jobs if they are not local in that area, much less a just arrived HK.
That leaves them often to really menial jobs like F&B service staff, hairdressing, deliverers, clerical work either being employed by HK people who migrated there earlier or at least companies that serve a predominantly Chinese clientele. That usually means horrid working hours, zero benefits and low wages.
At the end of the day the top 1% will have no issues as they have the competencies and networks to thrive no matter where they go, but as in any normal distribution most of the rest will be faced with a hard choice of either sticking it out for the rest of their lives or manage yet another upheaval going back to HK. I reckon most of these affluent PMEs have enough wealth to last them for 2-3 years in UK before they run out of gas, so within this short window period they have to somehow make it work, otherwise both options suck badly for them.
I have a relative, a Malaysian, who studied and graduated there, couldn't get a job for few years. Finally she came to Singapore and landed a job.
(13-10-2021, 02:08 PM)theold Wrote: [ -> ]For some, their qualifications are not recognised there. They have to start all over again. But they can speak better English now.
If their qualifications are recognized in HK, then is should be recognized in Britain, cos HK was a British Colony, and the examinations are based on English style ...
(13-10-2021, 02:48 PM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]If their qualifications are recognized in HK, then is should be recognized in Britain, cos HK was a British Colony, and the examinations are based on English style ...
It's not about qualifications being recognized, the challenge is lack of English competency, professional network and ability to contextualize the local work environment. It's very difficult to parachute in as an outsider with these critical disadvantages especially when the employment market is very weak there as well.
Don't say UK, they come to Singapore (one of the most open to FT country in the world) with the same challenges also hard to find similar work not withstanding the fact that at least we are Chinese majority and have a closer culture.
(13-10-2021, 03:12 PM)maxsanic Wrote: [ -> ]It's not about qualifications being recognized, the challenge is lack of English competency, professional network and ability to contextualize the local work environment. It's very difficult to parachute in as an outsider with these critical disadvantages especially when the employment market is very weak there as well.
Don't say UK, they come to Singapore (one of the most open to FT country in the world) with the same challenges also hard to find similar work not withstanding the fact that at least we are Chinese majority and have a closer culture.
OK it not the qualifications per se, but the proficiency in the English Language. Therefore they are grossly handicap..
(13-10-2021, 03:16 PM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]OK it not the qualifications per se, but the proficiency in the English Language. Therefore they are grossly handicap..
Yar also don't underestimate lack of professional network. For a lot of professional level jobs there, having a referral is more important compared to Singapore.
One of my ex-colleagues moved to Leeds when she got married to a Brit. She was Masters trained and basically a R&D product team lead over here. When she went over, she couldn't find any job for nearly a year and eventually got a Lab Assistant job (2 levels below previous job in SG) only through the intervention of her husband who worked in the same industry as well. Otherwise who knows how many more years it will take for her to secure something...
(13-10-2021, 03:29 PM)maxsanic Wrote: [ -> ]Yar also don't underestimate lack of professional network. For a lot of professional level jobs there, having a referral is more important compared to Singapore.
One of my ex-colleagues moved to Leeds when she got married to a Brit. She was Masters trained and basically a R&D product team lead over here. When she went over, she couldn't find any job for nearly a year and eventually got a Lab Assistant job (2 levels below previous job in SG) only through the intervention of her husband who worked in the same industry as well. Otherwise who knows how many more years it will take for her to secure something...
What a difference! There they give to own ang moh first. lower positions to them hongkies. Here ceca,foreigners get the higher positions leaving the lower levels to locals!
They shall wait for a beri long time.
There are 3 blocks:
UK Europe under Putin and US Republic
Joe biden is a dried sotong finding 'Water' to pay to play
it is sad indeed that they need to run
i am sure some of them are targets ..so no choice better run before being locked up
In that malee surprise Putin mohdi xI Trump are the Alliance owners of SpaceForce that owned starlink satelite connected to the Financial system at this moment already taken down many connected to Facebook.
Xi is playing Big. Evergrande 3 Gorges dam ships piling with goods to unload at Long beach 75% saturated meaning not allowed to unload and the ships keep coming for Dola the fiat that ends on 17102021.
(13-10-2021, 03:41 PM)A2Z Wrote: [ -> ]What a difference! There they give to own ang moh first. lower positions to them hongkies. Here ceca,foreigners get the higher positions leaving the lower levels to locals!
This shouldn't be happening here, where CECA and other FTs rob our local of good jobs....
