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RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - WhatDoYouThink! - 27-08-2023

Ah lian only hv O level cert, but he had been high up on the corporate ladder for many yrs. You better than him?


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oyk - 27-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 08:40 PM)moonrab Wrote:  Yalor. Why he never complain this 2 weeks husband paternity leave? Employer will prefer foreigner employees too?
So he wants to cancel it?

He is doing what Leong Mun Wai is doing in Parliament. Populist, says all the things the 39% like to hear and Sgbuffet says he is fighting for Singaporeans.

It's so obvious that these buggers are treating the PE as a GE. They only vote for someone who may be called President in name but is a de facto LOTO. They want him to clash with pap, not work with the government.

After hearing what Kok Song said, I have written off TKL completely because all his supporters are from oppie political parties. I do not intend to vote for someone who is backed by oppies parties.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - sgh - 27-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 10:12 PM)Oyk Wrote:  He is doing what Leong Mun Wai is doing in Parliament. Populist, says all the things the 39% like to hear and Sgbuffet says he is fighting for Singaporeans.

It's so obvious that these buggers are treating the PE as a GE. They only vote for someone who may be called President in name but is a de facto LOTO. They want him to clash with pap, not work with the government.

After hearing what Kok Song said, I have written off TKL completely because all his supporters are from oppie political parties. I do not intend to vote for someone who is backed by oppies parties.

Everyone got a vote. Your argument go the other way too. I do not intend to vote for someone who is closely  affiliated to the lightning strike party.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - winbig - 27-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 09:53 PM)sgh Wrote:  Big companies retrench workers especially IT sector. So you jump early cannot hide in big companies long also as they ask you balek kumpong

U jump to big companies for your CV to look good. If can climb the corporate ladder in big companies then do so. Not to stay there indefinitely. For retirement, it's better to go to small companies.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oasis - 28-08-2023

Are we training reservists with latest technology such as how to operate drones etc? Some treats reservist duty like holiday camp. A good job break.
Just take Ukraine war as an example, modern warfare is about advance technology.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - winbig - 28-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 10:08 PM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote:  Ah lian only hv O level cert, but he had been high up on the corporate ladder for many yrs. You better than him?

Do u know how come he can be so high up there for so many years? Cos someone very high in pap took care of him over the years. Same from RI. If really based on capability, he'll be out long ago.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - moonrab - 28-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 10:12 PM)Oyk Wrote:  He is doing what Leong Mun Wai is doing in Parliament. Populist, says all the things the 39% like to hear and Sgbuffet says he is fighting for Singaporeans.

It's so obvious that these buggers are treating the PE as a GE. They only vote for someone who may be called President in name but is a de facto LOTO. They want him to clash with pap, not work with the government.

After hearing what Kok Song said, I have written off TKL completely because all his supporters are from oppie political parties. I do not intend to vote for someone who is backed by oppies parties.

I am OK if TKL represents opposition in Parliament as a MP or even the Leader of Opposition. Challenging all Singapore policies that he highlighted. 

Unfortunately he foolishly high jack the Presidency Election with political vibes. Confusing the opposition supporter's emotions. Fallen into his empty promises with impractical beliefs. 

Technically, what he campaign for in this PE, requires a huge change in our Constitution and probably the Westminster Parliamentary System. Whereby the PM is the Leader of Government. Not the President.

Highly impossible and unrealistic. Normal Singaporean is unlikely to fall into his gimmick.  Big Grin


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - WhatDoYouThink! - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 07:23 AM)winbig Wrote:  Do u know how come he can be so high up there for so many years? Cos someone very high in pap took care of him over the years. Same from RI. If really based on capability, he'll be out long ago.

So because of that, he could make it and you couldn't? Lambeh lambeh like lksmlj and human goat?


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - ArielCasper - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 07:34 AM)moonrab Wrote:  I am OK if TKL represents opposition in Parliament as a MP or even the Leader of Opposition. Challenging all Singapore policies that he highlighted. 

Unfortunately he foolishly high jack the Presidency Election with political vibes. Confusing the opposition supporter's emotions. Fallen into his empty promises with impractical beliefs. 

Technically, what he campaign for in this PE, requires a huge change in our Constitution and probably the Westminster Parliamentary System. Whereby the PM is the Leader of Government. Not the President.

Highly impossible and unrealistic. Normal Singaporean is unlikely to fall into his gimmick.  Big Grin
The whole idea is to win, regardless of the methods. Just like govt set the ridiculous criteria for EP until merlion also not qualified.

Not all singaporean can vote in ep. To correct yr statement, a nnormal pap supporter Singapore citizen is unlikely to fall into his gimmick  Big Grin


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - moonrab - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 07:46 AM)ArielCasper Wrote:  The whole idea is to win, regardless of the methods. Just like govt set the ridiculous criteria for EP until merlion also not qualified.

Not all singaporean can vote in ep. To correct yr statement, a nnormal pap supporter Singapore citizen is unlikely to fall into his gimmick  Big Grin

One thing I agree with TKL.
The PE should goes back to appointed by the cabinet. 

Because the role of President is basically custodial powers. Back up by the Council of Presidential Advisers.
It is obligatory for the President to consult the CPA when exercising the discretionary powers related to all fiscal and appointment-related matters.

Commoners Singaporean is educated. Unlike our pioneer generation. We read News, Geopolitical challenges, Local political forums and the Singapore legislation.

Cannot expected to be fool easily. You will be very disappointed.  Big Grin


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Clyde - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 07:15 AM)Oasis Wrote:  Are we training reservists with latest technology such as how to operate drones etc? Some treats reservist duty like holiday camp. A good job break.
Just take Ukraine war as an example, modern warfare is about advance technology.

Singapore need to buy drone from overseas. They tried to build one but failed badly


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Clyde - 28-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 09:07 PM)sgh Wrote:  As someone who work in civil service, GLC and private. It really depend on your employer is which. Civil service , GLC ok since most are govt projects and they understand NS.

Private different story. They want employee with bare minimal disruption so FT will have slight advantage. This is more prevalent in smaller private as manpower is very little. Foreign big MNC is ok since one role got many ppl do.

So NS disadvantage locals will depend your employer is which kind. Small private you rugi most like pass over for promotion
not much increment etc. Others still ok.

Foreign big MNC is also not ok. This is what I overheard the program manager calling the HR
Program manager: "I need a new supervisor in my department. If man, must not be Singaporean; if woman, must not be married. "


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - toothpick - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 08:10 AM)Clyde Wrote:  Foreign big MNC is also not ok. This is what I overheard the program manager calling the HR
Program manager: "I need a new supervisor in my department. If man, must not be Singaporean; if woman, must not be married. "

I don’t think his request is NS related and it shouldn’t even be a position that exist in Singapore if it’s an MNC.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Clyde - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 08:55 AM)toothpick Wrote:  I don’t think his request is NS related and it shouldn’t even be a position that exist in Singapore if it’s an MNC.

Production supervisor in a factory. He made it clear to the HR doing reservist would affect his production line.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oyk - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 07:34 AM)moonrab Wrote:  I am OK if TKL represents opposition in Parliament as a MP or even the Leader of Opposition. Challenging all Singapore policies that he highlighted. 

Unfortunately he foolishly high jack the Presidency Election with political vibes. Confusing the opposition supporter's emotions. Fallen into his empty promises with impractical beliefs. 

Technically, what he campaign for in this PE, requires a huge change in our Constitution and probably the Westminster Parliamentary System. Whereby the PM is the Leader of Government. Not the President.

Highly impossible and unrealistic. Normal Singaporean is unlikely to fall into his gimmick.  Big Grin

As to your last para, I really don't know... there is a chance and a high one that the 39% will vote for him.

TKL is talking about all the things which the Sgbuffets like to hear.

Such a President is not the president of the peepur. He is the LOTO for the 39%.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oyk - 28-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 10:25 PM)winbig Wrote:  U jump to big companies for your CV to look good. If can climb the corporate ladder in big companies then do so. Not to stay there indefinitely. For retirement, it's better to go to small companies.

Small companies pay low, give lousy fringe benefits and are notorious for making peepur work like slaves. May not really be a good place to work if you are a retiree, assuming that they would even employ someone above 50.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - WhatDoYouThink! - 28-08-2023

He sec4 only, but he'd done much better than you leh.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - singlon - 28-08-2023

TKL HAS DONE A GREAT DISSERVICE TO SINGAPORE SECURITY
We hope always not to fight You know what I mean?


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Lukongsimi - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 12:30 PM)singlon Wrote:  TKL HAS DONE A GREAT DISSERVICE TO SINGAPORE SECURITY
We hope always not to fight You know what I mean?

Tkl Will create disharmony among the people 


Nks said need to unite the people of Singapore which it’s true


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - ArielCasper - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 08:10 AM)Clyde Wrote:  Foreign big MNC is also not ok. This is what I overheard the program manager calling the HR
Program manager: "I need a new supervisor in my department. If man, must not be Singaporean; if woman, must not be married. "
This is what govt need to do but not doing. Impose a high ns tax on foreigners who didn't serve ns to level the playing field.

Then one might challenge me, only tax foreigner male who didn't served ns? What about female foreigners? The answer would be local females also never served ns what.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - sgh - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 01:08 PM)ArielCasper Wrote:  This is what govt need to do but not doing. Impose a high ns tax on foreigners who didn't serve ns to level the playing field.

Then one might challenge me, only tax foreigner male who didn't served ns? What about female foreigners? The answer would be local females also never served ns what.

The problem with this approach is it may deter a lot of foreigner to come into Spore. And since govt is a pro-foreigner addict, no foreigner means no monies to earn from WP,SPass,EP and others like they stay work need pay income tax need spend so contribute to GST etc.

Analogy. It is like a prostitute if she charge too high no customers want to come then means no income.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - klat - 28-08-2023

(27-08-2023, 07:21 PM)ArielCasper Wrote:  That is true. NS for sinkie, jobs for foreigners



Very disruptive to employers, ie why they prefer FTrs than sinkees


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oyk - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 12:37 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Tkl Will create disharmony among the people 


Nks said need to unite the people of Singapore which it’s true

The 39% spins the argument that Tharman and NKS are PAP. Then they gang up to have the oppies backing TKL. 

Lim Tean, Goh Meng Seng, Tan Jee Say, Tan Cheng Bock. Bock can say he endorsed TKL as a private individual and not as PSP chairman.. Will voters feel that's insulting their intelligence huh?

TKL is polarising the country instead of unifying it. 

What NKS said is true.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oyk - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 03:05 PM)Oyk Wrote:  The 39% spins the argument that Tharman and NKS are PAP. Then they gang up to have the oppies backing TKL. 

Lim Tean, Goh Meng Seng, Tan Jee Say, Tan Cheng Bock. Bock can say he endorsed TKL as a private individual and not as PSP chairman.. Will voters feel that's insulting their intelligence huh?

TKL is polarising the country instead of unifying it. 

What NKS said is true.

One more. Forgot to include Han Hui Hui.

Truth be told, I was at first prepared to consider TKL.

Although he passed a very difficult actuary exam (many peepur sat for it and flunked), I had never considered the ability to crunch big numbers to be a sine qua non when you have a CPA to do that for you. 

Ong Teng Cheong was an architect. Halimah has a master's degree in law. Tony Tan? Degree in physics! They were not from a finance background.

For me, image is important. TKL didn't fare badly on this part of things. Must not be socially awkward when in the company of visitors and citizens.

And non partisan.. This is where TKL lost it


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - moonrab - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 12:37 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Tkl Will create disharmony among the people 


Nks said need to unite the people of Singapore which it’s true

He divide and win votes!
Same old political tactics used by many politicians.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - ArielCasper - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 01:13 PM)sgh Wrote:  The problem with this approach is it may deter a lot of foreigner to come into Spore. And since govt is a pro-foreigner addict, no foreigner means no monies to earn from WP,SPass,EP and others like they stay work need pay income tax need spend so contribute to GST etc.

Analogy. It is like a prostitute if she charge too high no customers want to come then means no income.
Then u know who to vote for in future elections.

If we lose jibs because companies decided to ship the jobs offshore, we lan lan.

But what is pissing ppl off is we are getting these foreigners to come sinkie land, enjoy local pay, compete with us on whatever resource left to the peasant in sinkie land.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - sgh - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 06:57 PM)ArielCasper Wrote:  Then u know who to vote for in future elections

Of cuz ever since I can and got chance to vote. Pity the 61% blind ppl blinded by sweet lies cast forth from the lightning strike.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oyk - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 07:00 PM)sgh Wrote:  Of cuz ever since I can and got chance to vote. Pity the 61% blind ppl blinded by sweet lies cast forth from the lightning strike.

Are you talking about the PE or the GE, or are both the same to you?


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - Oyk - 28-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 06:57 PM)ArielCasper Wrote:  Then u know who to vote for in future elections.

If we lose jibs because companies decided to ship the jobs offshore, we lan lan.

But what is pissing ppl off is we are getting these foreigners to come sinkie land, enjoy local pay, compete with us on whatever resource left to the peasant in sinkie land.

Did you work in HR or at least the payroll department?

How do you know that foreigners are getting the same salaries as Singaporesns? If you are going to tell me that it's your suspicion and you have never seen the payroll records of any company, may I suggest that you stop spreading falsehoods.


RE: TKL on how reservist duties disadvantage S'poreans at work - moonrab - 29-08-2023

(28-08-2023, 11:27 PM)Oyk Wrote:  Did you work in HR or at least the payroll department?

How do you know that foreigners are getting the same salaries as Singaporesns? If you are going to tell me that it's your suspicion and you have never seen the payroll records of any company, may I suggest that you stop spreading falsehoods.

I worked for a Hongkonger company for a long time in the past.
Competing with Singaporean, Hongkongers and Chinese. 

Hongkong boss see results. Profiteering. 
They never compare my reservist leaves vs the non Singaporean peers.
As long as I can meet targets, bring in the $. The company need me.

In actual fact, those days, we work long hours and on standby 24/7. That is the expectation for earning higher salary. 
What is the reservist leaves to company?