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Obama warns some of Israel's actions in Gaza may backfire - theold - 24-10-2023
https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/obama-warns-some-israels-actions-gaza-may-backfire-725466
RE: Obama warns some of Israel's actions in Gaza may backfire - Oyk - 24-10-2023
Cowards. HAMAS terrorists using civilians as shields. Hiding in mouse tunnels. Pui!
Wu rampar, come out fight lar. Pui
RE: Obama warns some of Israel's actions in Gaza may backfire - maxsanic - 24-10-2023
One of the interesting developments I noticed in the current Israel-Palestine war is that Israel seems to be struggling to make headway on the ground.
In the past, it was very simple. Israeli politicians simply made curt retributory statements and sent in the tanks and armored bulldozers under air support to whack the Palestinians left right centre and take over their land.
This time round, all we hear are gungho threatening statements made by Israeli officials every day, but so far they can’t seem to make tangible gains. Other than air bombardments which generate lots of bad press due to civilian casualties, they are struggling even during minor ground incursions against Hamas.
This is further evidence that the US's ability to support and project power in the region has deteriorated to a large extent and Israel suddenly looks very vulnerable. With a deteriorating macro geopolitical environment and also new technological advancements changing the ways of asymmetric warfare (e.g. Russia vs Ukraine), the Israelis are in serious trouble.
They need to reconsider their current one trick pony policy of simply relying on US support to whack anyone they don’t like. The change won’t be easy – nobody likes to swallow humble pie and make concessions to “enemies” that they previously perceived to be easy targets for picking, but they don’t have any other alternatives.
Things will only get worse for them if they refuse to change with the world and cling on to what was previously a successful strategy of simply relying on the Jewish lobby and media to influence US to support them.
RE: Obama warns some of Israel's actions in Gaza may backfire - sogo - 24-10-2023
(24-10-2023, 11:55 AM)maxsanic Wrote: One of the interesting developments I noticed in the current Israel-Palestine war is that Israel seems to be struggling to make headway on the ground.
In the past, it was very simple. Israeli politicians simply made curt retributory statements and sent in the tanks and armored bulldozers under air support to whack the Palestinians left right centre and take over their land.
This time round, all we hear are gungho threatening statements made by Israeli officials every day, but so far they can’t seem to make tangible gains. Other than air bombardments which generate lots of bad press due to civilian casualties, they are struggling even during minor ground incursions against Hamas.
This is further evidence that the US's ability to support and project power in the region has deteriorated to a large extent and Israel suddenly looks very vulnerable. With a deteriorating macro geopolitical environment and also new technological advancements changing the ways of asymmetric warfare (e.g. Russia vs Ukraine), the Israelis are in serious trouble.
They need to reconsider their current one trick pony policy of simply relying on US support to whack anyone they don’t like. The change won’t be easy – nobody likes to swallow humble pie and make concessions to “enemies” that they previously perceived to be easy targets for picking, but they don’t have any other alternatives.
Things will only get worse for them if they refuse to change with the world and cling on to what was previously a successful strategy of simply relying on the Jewish lobby and media to influence US to support them.
because israel are scared. gaza is 6 times of bakmut. in bakmut russian died 20-30k and ukraine 70-80k
RE: Obama warns some of Israel's actions in Gaza may backfire - Clyde - 24-10-2023
US/Israel is not sure this time they can win after seeing those Iran drones and weapons used in the Ukraine war.
RE: Obama warns some of Israel's actions in Gaza may backfire - maxsanic - 24-10-2023
(24-10-2023, 01:24 PM)sogo Wrote: because israel are scared. gaza is 6 times of bakmut. in bakmut russian died 20-30k and ukraine 70-80k
Yes very likely they are scared, but it's not just casualty numbers.
What they are really scared of is:
- US’s ability to support them militarily especially with the ongoing war in Ukraine
- US’s willingness to support them now with increasing domestic opposition and concern over its other Middle East allies who are increasingly drifting out of orbit during a time of intense contest for influence with China in this region.
- Deteriorating support for them across the world. Many other countries including the Europeans, Chinese, Indians etc. could take this opportunity to make things difficult for them through non-military means.
- Possibility of Iran, Saudi & Gulf Council Nations, Lebanon, Egypt and Syria all joining in to whack them while they are stuck in a war with Palestine. In the past this risk was low as these guys had their own internal conflicts and showed deference to US. Now they have made peace and are increasingly not giving face to US.
- Russia could act as a spoiler in the whole game by either supplying arms to the Middle East or increasing its offence against the Ukrainians thereby splitting up precious little resources the US has left.
- Israeli Army just like most armed forces around the world appears to be ill-equipped to deal with modern asymmetric warfare. There is a likelihood they could end up like Russia i.e. looks good on paper, but eventually get stuck in trench wars for a long period.
- If they get mired in Gaza without a clear victory fast, internal economic pressure will pile up and soon there will be social unrest in Tel Aviv.
As a rule of thumb, the more thrash talking they employ the worse their own assessment of the situation really is. Holds true for both US and Israel. If they were confident of being in an advantageous position, the talking will be minimal and the actions will be hard pounding. Like President Regan said "Speak softly with a big stick".