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CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - CHAOS - 03-08-2022

‘CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE’
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THE RANGE OF PEOPLE condemning US politician Nancy Pelosi for smashing the long-held agreement that kept people in East Asia safe is eyebrow-raising.
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The move is “utterly reckless, dangerous and irresponsible” said Thomas Friedman, a New York Times writer who normally takes a harsh stance against China. “Nothing good will come of it. Taiwan will NOT be more secure or more prosperous as a result of this purely symbolic visit, and a lot of bad things could happen.”
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Another critic of China, former US President Donald Trump, said the visit would “make trouble” and “cause great friction”.
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OPPOSITE OF DEMOCRACY
However, the Financial Times’ Tom Mitchell, another journalist with a relentlessly negative view on Mainland China, blamed China’s leader for the tension. “On Taiwan policy in general, and this crisis in particular, Xi has painted himself into a corner,” he wrote.
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But he appeared to be one of very few voices trying to blame China. Most took a diametrically opposite view. “The US no longer even makes an effort to conceal its desire to subjugate the entire world by force,” said columnist Maria Dubovikova, a Middle East writer.
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Nobody believes the argument that this is “a stand for democracy” said many voices. Daniel De Petris, a columnist for the Chicago Tribune and Newsweek wrote: “Framing Pelosi’s Taiwan trip as an extension of some morality contest between democracies and autocracies (as Pelosi did in her statement) strikes me as dumb considering the president spent time with two of the most ruthless autocrats on the planet a few weeks ago.”
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TIRED OF THE EXCUSE
Many people said they were tired of the line that the “the US stands for democracy”, an excuse rolled out too often.  “Perhaps it’s time we stop using the democracy vs. autocracy argument at every opportunity?” De Petris asked.
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Joe Segal agreed. “Democracy versus autocracy is the new domino theory,” he said. “I think it's really a struggle between competing oligarchies over control of resources: oil, minerals, cheap labor and consumer markets being top among these.”
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Lawyer-journalist Dimitri Lascaris said: “You'd have to be brain-dead to believe that Pelosi’s Taiwan visit has anything to do with democracy… This is all about preserving U.S. hegemony.”
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CHINA’S CHOICE
China was smart not to attack the plane, many people said. Doing such a thing “would only make Pelosi a martyr,” said Ni Mingda, a popular social media commentator. “Worst, the U.S. could argue that she technically never ‘set foot’ on Taiwan, and what China did was unprovoked aggression. The CPC is not foolish.”
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“Don't view the Chinese restrained response thus far as a sign of weakness, but an upcoming pronounced and calculated set of actions with specific targets in mind,” said Taro Taylor, a popular voice on social media in Hong Kong. “I, for one, am in full admiration of the wisdom and restraint shown by the Chinese.”
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But he warned that the US move had heightened dangers for everyone. “Welcome to a changed world,” he wrote.
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MILITARISM AND MONEY

What happened was more proof that US militarism rules the world, said many voices. “Nancy Pelosi’s Taiwan visit points to another corner of the earth where the USA wants more, endless conflict,” said Nick Estes, a representative of Native Americans, on social media. “An US$838.8 billion bipartisan defence bill sets the US commitment to a new Cold War with China. What a waste of social wealth for the masters of war.”
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The irony is that Pelosi’s trip will not preserve US hegemony but end it, said Tucker Carlson. Her trip will “hasten the end of American hegemony, which is to say the end of the U.S. as we know it,” he said.
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Many said prospects for peace were bleak. Pete Martins said: “We can say ‘war is horrible’ as much as we want. But the truth is, only the US can wage war without any repercussions. The UN and EU are all in. So, when and how, will we get any change?”
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PROBLEMS FOR THE MEDIA
The move has made massive problems for the western media, several people pointed out. It has shown up their uncritical acceptance of the pro-DC point of view. For example, the Guardian wrote about a plan by British anti-China campaigner Tom Tugendhat to follow Pelosi’s lead and take a group of British MPs to Taiwan.
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It has now become hard for western media to blame China for destroying prospects for peace when the ordinary person on the street can see that the opposite is true.
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UK China expert John Ross gave an example of erroneous media coverage: “The Wall Street Journal today has editorial on Pelosi's visit to Taiwan which refers to something Mao Zedong ‘said’ in 1979, which means the editorial writer did not even know Mao had been dead for three years in 1979.” Ross said the error “really sums up WSJ ignorance on China”.
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OR WAS IT A DISTRACTION?
Others said Pelosi’s trip was a carefully timed distraction. “The U.S. is mired in an inflation crisis, a proxy war in Ukraine it cannot win, and a political crisis that is likely to see the Democrats swept out of Congress in November,” said Danny Haiphong, a popular political commentator. “Nancy Pelosi's Taiwan trip is a dangerous distraction from homegrown ills.”
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Finance writer Charles Gasparino from Fox Business said: “Wall Street trading desk chatter involves how [her husband] Paul Pelosi is gaming the markets to make a few bucks. Speculation he’s shorting the S&P. Just rumor but Paul’s penchant to trade colors everything she does now.”
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Trader James Goodwin agreed. “This has been going on for decades,” he said.
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NOBODY WINS
The present writer notes that an interesting point emerges when talking to business and financial people about this topic. They are uniformly in agreement that the US does not care about the people of Taiwan, but is willing to let them be harmed for the sake of US political interests.
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And what about the falls in the stock market, as tension has risen? “Taiwan’s tiny,” a financier said. “If there’s trouble between mainland China and Taiwan, it’s possible effects on business in China that we’ll focus on. Sorry, Taiwan.”
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Keawe Wong, a web-developer working on the mainland, was happy that China didn’t react. “The children in Taiwan and Fujian are now sleeping peacefully,” he wrote on social media. “China showed the world tonight how a responsible and peace-loving world power should behave.”
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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - cityhantam - 03-08-2022

Correct.

China's goal is reunification.

USA set the trap for China to fall in but Chinese leaders are smart enough to handle that! 

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Sentinel - 03-08-2022

China needs to recognize that to take back Taiwan, it must act like Russia

Throughout China's history, to unify, there will have to be a war

You have to take over, just like Shi Hwang Ti unite China

In fact, any country that wants to unite in history also go through this

The exception is perhaps East and West Germany and Vietnam

Or go the united states way, like USSR and USA.

Or just wait and bid its time. China has all the time. But Taiwan also has.

I may not see unification in my lifetime, I guess.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - p1acebo - 03-08-2022

What happened to our sg leaders? Diam diam? Finally some common sense from past lessons learnt this time round

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - kokee - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 06:56 PM)kokee Wrote:  pelosi said it, made it, deliver it & left with perfect achievement.
all these comie liars, till now still bark lies & nonsense, all these are fact & truth, still got morons here because of racist to support these dogs & bochap right & wrong things in life? your choice!
below is what all these dogs & their evil devil ccp china bark before pelosi make the trip!


胡錫進：美軍航母來幾艘打沉幾艘！fire my foot, all the carriers  are there all the time!, not even are to fark 1 sound, dont talk about  fire!
再嗆「擊落專機與美軍機!」, shoot your foot, all these shameless liars, these coward & useless dogs can only bark, totally no action!
击落佩洛西, she come & go now safely without 1 bullet sound from china, all these balless dogs!

as above lies, comie dogs & their communist sources of lies & fake still continue their BS, all these real dogs!


裴洛西自述：我為什麼率領國會代表團訪問台灣！美國《華盛頓郵報》獨家刊登

all these moronic comie liars here.
as above, bark so much nonsense before pelosi make the trip, now she come & go, china balless, coward, useless & dare not even fire 1 bullet sound, dont talk about missile, fighter jet, carrier or guard her plane or shoot down plane, bark very loud, no action totally, no sound totally even close off weibo & wechat today to fully censored & block china people to know the truth & fact! LOL LOL!
all these comie liars here, continue your shit if you still has shame!

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Notdumb - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 07:01 PM)kokee Wrote:  all these moronic comie liars here.
as above, bark so much nonsense before pelosi make the trip, now she come & go, china balless, coward, useless & dare not even fire 1 bullet sound, dont talk about missile, fighter jet, carrier or guard her plane or shoot down plane, bark very loud, no action totally, no sound totally even close off weibo & wechat today to fully censored & block china people to know the truth & fact! LOL LOL!
all these comie liars  here, continue your shit if you still has shame!

U lick her shiok shiok hor.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - cityhantam - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 07:02 PM)Notdumb Wrote:  U lick her shiok shiok hor.

Moronic Kokee Cok loves 82 yr old abalone? 

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - sgxin - 03-08-2022

Attacking the plane will mean China is giving US a Pearl Harbour event for it to join the war.
The current Chinese military manoeuvres is a more appropriate response to Cai n Pelosi's (US) antics.

No more "middle line" according to this Taiwan analyst:


The no-fly/sailing zones are so near to Taiwan coast and each serves a specific purpose:

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - winbig - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 06:48 PM)Sentinel Wrote:  China needs to recognize that to take back Taiwan, it must act like Russia

Throughout China's history, to unify, there will have to be a war

You have to take over, just like Shi Hwang Ti unite China

In fact, any country that wants to unite in history also go through this

The exception is perhaps East and West Germany and Vietnam

Or go the united states way, like USSR and USA.

Or just wait and bid its time. China has all the time. But Taiwan also has.

I may not see unification in my lifetime, I guess.

If act like Russia, China will become common enemy of the west. If RMB can replace USD position in the world, then things might be different.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Instinct - 03-08-2022

The title should read as China would be unwise to attack plane.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - theold - 03-08-2022

If China attacks, our property prices will shoot up. Now, Taiwanese can temporarily come here for a tour in the meantime.

This is also an opportunity to buy some shares. Pelosi's objective is to sign some future contracts, future money,  with the money lock-in.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Niubee - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 06:48 PM)Sentinel Wrote:  China needs to recognize that to take back Taiwan, it must act like Russia

Throughout China's history, to unify, there will have to be a war

You have to take over, just like Shi Hwang Ti unite China

In fact, any country that wants to unite in history also go through this

The exception is perhaps East and West Germany and Vietnam

Or go the united states way, like USSR and USA.

Or just wait and bid its time. China has all the time. But Taiwan also has.

I may not see unification in my lifetime, I guess.

Bingo !!!

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Sentinel - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 09:37 PM)winbig Wrote:  If act like Russia, China will become common enemy of the west. If RMB can replace USD position in the world, then things might be different.

On what basis you decide that China will become common enemy of the West?

China is the 2nd largest economy of the World

Many countries depend on China for trade and happiness

You must be void of a brain to go against history when it comes to unification

Blood needs to be shed

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - theold - 03-08-2022

If China wishes to take over Taiwan now, it is very easy for them. The problem is that it is not so daring as Russia. For Russia is that their environment causes them to behave like that. Xi's mind is don't create trouble for me.

However, China always seems to look at the situation and think and act later. It looks far into the future.

Taiwan will look at value for money when it looks at those contracts.

For S. Korea, f. it, everything is about money.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - victortan - 03-08-2022

I hope China one day will rule the world, and unite every country,

After all i am a chinese.

To hell with the USA.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - winbig - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 09:52 PM)Sentinel Wrote:  On what basis you decide that China will become common enemy of the West?

China is the 2nd largest economy of the World

Many countries depend on China for trade and happiness

You must be void of a brain to go against history when it comes to unification

Blood needs to be shed

Unification must be done without the use of physical force. In Taiwan's case it's possible. Only need to get rid of the few leaders who want independence.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Sentinel - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 10:02 PM)winbig Wrote:  Unification must be done without the use of physical force. In Taiwan's case it's possible. Only need to get rid of the few leaders who want independence.

You think it is so easy

If so easy, China would hv done it, no need you to say

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - theold - 03-08-2022

Those who suffer will be the normal Taiwanese. If the economy is affected, the suicide death can be in seconds.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - sporeguy - 03-08-2022

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Sticw - 04-08-2022

I heard the effective defence radius for the aircraft is 500km. Supported by navy as well as fighter jets. Fighter jets to take out any attack within 150km radius, anything outside of this range is covered by the navy.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - winbig - 04-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 10:10 PM)Sentinel Wrote:  You think it is so easy

If so easy, China would hv done it, no need you to say

Because it's difficult so it takes time.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Sharexchange - 04-08-2022

No balls la...talk so much. Pui!

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - kangtangman - 04-08-2022

Yah la, China is “balless”, so much so that the newly elected South Korean President give excuse that he is on work leave, so as not to meet Pelosi….

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - p1acebo - 04-08-2022

I’m beginning to think badly of her and the Biden administration

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - RichDad - 04-08-2022

(04-08-2022, 07:37 AM)Sharexchange Wrote:  No balls la...talk so much. Pui!

Brains more important than balls when playing with uncle Sam.

US called China's bluff but China didn't fall into their trap.

Win win for both ?

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Migrant - 04-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 06:51 PM)p1acebo Wrote:  What happened to our sg leaders? Diam diam?  Finally some common sense from past lessons learnt this time round

Wiser now.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - mikotan - 04-08-2022

Very smart of China. Now after she left, China can do anything to Taiwan and put all the blame on her as the trigger.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - Migrant - 04-08-2022

Who suffer? 
TAIWAN ordinary FOLKS.
Do their leaders care?
I think SK president making the right move.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - teaserteam - 04-08-2022

Not whether China is wise but rather whether CCP is stupid enough to make the move.   CCP leadership has caused China to fell from high level growth before 2008 to present level to match USA because of their pride to offend so many countries.  If they were stupid enough to take the "bait" like Russia had,  they would end up worse with Chinese people eating grass for the rest of their lifes.  The war if started is not between China and USA but China and Taiwan with the support of the western world like Ukraine.

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RE: CHINA WISE TO NOT ATTACK PLANE - cityhantam - 04-08-2022

(04-08-2022, 12:35 PM)teaserteam Wrote:  Not whether China is wise but rather whether CCP is stupid enough to make the move.   CCP leadership has caused China to fell from high level growth before 2008 to present level to 

Which country or countries are still having positive growth, other than China?

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