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china IC development & manufacturing are all BS, likely already spend few $trillion but achieve nothing, all the money kena pocketed?
china IC already death end at 14 nm or 28 nm the most, if without ASML old generation equipment, probably can only make 90 nm or more, super low end, high power IC only.
after TSMC banned huawei, govt came out a project to dump few $trillions of funds, all failed & gone to drain as no technology, no talent, no material, no equipment, no way for china to do any precision work!! Whole world join hands to block them from stealing technology & information now.
中國的芯片大躍進,實質是一場騙局,內外勾結,官商勾結,利益輸送,掏空國庫
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骗了5000年,就让他们继续骗下去吧。整天叩叩叫也没有用
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Today, China does not have 5-7 nm chip fabrication plants because foreign companies are aware of their technology being stolen and they always keep the latest technology in their own country and move only obsolete and old technology to China. China will have to learn them from scratch to pick up this technology.
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china totally cannot make it in IC manufacturing, that is why recent govt official bark to attack taiwan to grab & rob TSMC under china.
Go for war just to have TSMC, how desperate they are & also tell they totally no way out in IC manufacturing technology!!
this hooligan, same to all comie dogs here !!!
天朝造不出芯片難道還搶不下臺積電
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TSMC also need lot of support from globally in order to produce their most advanced IC in the world, that is why TSMC also need US, TSMC biggest shareholder is also US.
equipment from holland & global company, material from japan, taiwan has excellent talents, supporting industry & manpower in IC manufacturing!!
wihtout global support, china probably can only do 90 nm & above IC, 30-40 yrs ago technology!!
打臉中國“芯片對抗”計畫, 以為打下台灣, 就能自造芯片? 為何台灣能造芯片, 中國卻不行的原因 !
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(07-07-2022, 10:59 AM)revealer Wrote: Today, China does not have 5-7 nm chip fabrication plants because foreign companies are aware of their technology being stolen and they always keep the latest technology in their own country and move only obsolete and old technology to China. China will have to learn them from scratch to pick up this technology.
Yes. 5-7 nm chips are used in hand phones because mobile phones' circuit boards are just the size of finger nail size. But circuit boards are used not just in mobile phones, they are used in all the high tech equipment including air-con system, vehicles, alternative power, artificial intelligence system, missiles, weapons, outer space stations, etc etc.
Just like Boeing lost the order of 292 aircraft, US chips will lose the market of chips in the next few years. China is the biggest market for chip and semi-conductors. China set the target supplying 70% chips in China market and may reach by end of 2022. When that is achieved, US chips will only supply to 30% or lesser in China's market.
Gradually, US will see loss of chips sale in the years to come. China is also developing chips of 5 nm and below and US loss of market will even be more.
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US now is blocking all the stealing of technology & technology transfer to china!!
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美國出重錘!斬斷荷蘭、日本對中共出售光刻機!
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(07-07-2022, 11:44 AM)webinarian Wrote:
Yes. 5-7 nm chips are used in hand phones because mobile phones' circuit boards are just the size of finger nail size. But circuit boards are used not just in mobile phones, they are used in all the high tech equipment including air- con system, vehicles, alternative power, artificial intelligence system, missiles, weapons, outer space stations, etc etc.
Just like Boeing lost the order of 292 aircraft, US chips will lose the market of chips in the next few years. China is the biggest market for chip and semi-conductors. China set the target supplying 70% chips in China market and may reach by end of 2022. When that is achieved, US chips will only supply to 30% or lesser in China's market.
Gradually, US will see loss of chips sale in the years to come. China is also developing chips of 5 nm and below and US loss of market will even be more.
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(07-07-2022, 11:00 AM)kokee Wrote: china totally cannot make it in IC manufacturing, that is why recent govt official bark to attack taiwan to grab & rob TSMC under china.
Go for war just to have TSMC, how desperate they are & also tell they totally no way out in IC manufacturing technology!!
this hooligan, same to all comie dogs here !!!
Not China can't make it but under WTO, there is international supply chain consists of division of labor so each play their parts in the manufacture to reduce costs of supply chain at minimum costs.
Now, with Trump starting such practice tariffs, sanction and ban of supply, China also starts it's own manufacture of chips and the target of supplying 70% of requirements in China's market can be achieved by end of 2022. US chips will see reduction in sale in the market in China.
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Alam Kok,
You know-nut lah.
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(07-07-2022, 10:44 AM)WhatDoYouThink? Wrote: 骗了5000年,就让他们继续骗下去吧。整天叩叩叫也没有用

叫最大声就是Kokee大哥,这个混蛋。
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now not only ASML EUV machine cannot sell to china to make 14 nm & below like 7nm or 3 nm IC.
DUV to make 14nm or 28nm or even 50 nm & more IC also ban to sell to china now.
means china can only produce super low end, 20-30 yrs old IC in future, many already end of life IC.
china IC sibei jialat liao!! comie dogs can bark whatever lies & BS, norm.
Ton of electronic hard to made in china anymore as all these IC need to import from oversea in near future!!
The ultimate killer move! U.S. want to ban the export of ASML DUV lithography to China completely.
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(07-07-2022, 12:08 PM)webinarian Wrote: Alam Kok,
You know-nut lah.
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not only IC development or manufacturing, almost all the advanced equipment are imported from the west, china has no technology & precision to do make all these equipment & tools!!
all comie dogs here can bark whatever lies self created by their communist sources of liars.
Same for advanced IC for weapons & military, all must import mostly from US. China are banned to buy, but they try to buy from 3rd country then send back to china, these routes also blocked globally now!!!
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(07-07-2022, 12:04 PM)webinarian Wrote:
Not China can't make it but under WTO, there is international supply chain consists of division of labor so each play their parts in the manufacture to reduce costs of supply chain at minimum costs.
Now, with Trump starting such practice tariffs, sanction and ban of supply, China also starts it's own manufacture of chips and the target of supplying 70% of requirements in China's market can be achieved by end of 2022. US chips will see reduction in sale in the market in China.
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(07-07-2022, 10:38 AM)kokee Wrote: china IC development & manufacturing are all BS, likely already spend few $trillion but achieve nothing, all the money kena pocketed?
china IC already death end at 14 nm or 28 nm the most, if without ASML old generation equipment, probably can only make 90 nm or more, super low end, high power IC only.
after TSMC banned huawei, govt came out a project to dump few $trillions of funds, all failed & gone to drain as no technology, no talent, no material, no equipment, no way for china to do any precision work!! Whole world join hands to block them from stealing technology & information now.
中國的芯片大躍進,實質是一場騙局,內外勾結,官商勾結,利益輸送,掏空國庫
You can post fake news from FLG.
Read what Zaobao says? People trust Zaobao than FLG cult news lah.
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This is news from Semi-conductors association. People believe news from such professional body than cult news, lah.
China’s Share of Global Chip Sales Now Surpasses Taiwan’s, Closing in on Europe’s and Japan’s
China’s Share of Global Chip Sales Now Surpasses Taiwan's, Closing in on Europe's and Japan's - Semiconductor Industry Association (semiconductors.org)
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(07-07-2022, 01:51 PM)kokee Wrote: now not only ASML EUV machine cannot sell to china to make 14 nm & below like 7nm or 3 nm IC.
DUV to make 14nm or 28nm or even 50 nm & more IC also ban to sell to china now.
means china can only produce super low end, 20-30 yrs old IC in future, many already end of life IC.
china IC sibei jialat liao!! comie dogs can bark whatever lies & BS, norm.
Ton of electronic hard to made in china anymore as all these IC need to import from oversea in near future!!
The ultimate killer move! U.S. want to ban the export of ASML DUV lithography to China completely.
can see all the comie dogs panic.
china is selling all the super low end IC today, profit margin super low & almost noting, important is no way for them to progress now. Just compare TSMC to china biggest fab SMIC, their profit, 20x or 200x? market capitalisation, 20x or 200x?
will SMIC exist in long term with all these junk & low end IC if whole world progress? SMIC has no way compared to our old Chartered!!!
or stop all spare parts to SMIC? stop all US equipment in IC manufacturing to SMIC?
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China is a steal tech theft country. The only thing they invented great time must be Covid Wuhan Lab Virus.
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https://www.totaltele.com › 510253 › China-set-to-achieve-14-nm-breakthrough-in-2022
China set to achieve 14 nm breakthrough in 2022 - Totaltelecom
13 Jul 2021China is taking a lead in addressing the global shortage of chips by accelerating the development and manufacturing of 14 nm chips, which are expected to go into mass production in the country in 2022. While China is the world's biggest consumer of semiconductors, a large part of that demand has been met through imports so far.
https://www.theregister.com › 2022 › 03 › 09 › chinese_chipmaking_ambitions
China's chip-making ambitions face setbacks • The Register
9 Mar 2022China's largest chip manufacturer SMIC is on the US Entity List, which will stunt its expansion despite double-digit sales growth over the past two years, IC Insights said.SMIC has four fabs in China, and makes dies down to a 14nm process node. It is also laying the groundwork to make 7nm node parts, cutting a gap with companies like Taiwan-based TSMC, which is now onto its 4nm node.
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你们不懂人才可以用诱惑吸引过来吗?

不要整天听他在胡扯。
中国人做事情往往都喜欢保持低调。
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(08-07-2022, 07:47 AM)RiseofAsia Wrote: 你们不懂人才可以用诱惑吸引过来吗? 
不要整天听他在胡扯。
中国人做事情往往都喜欢保持低调。
Even west electronic media also told stories they moving into 14nm.
Kokee still use youtube story to tell mC still in 90nm.
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(08-07-2022, 05:45 AM)kokee Wrote: can see all the comie dogs panic.
china is selling all the super low end IC today, profit margin super low & almost noting, important is no way for them to progress now. Just compare TSMC to china biggest fab SMIC, their profit, 20x or 200x? market capitalisation, 20x or 200x?
will SMIC exist in long term with all these junk & low end IC if whole world progress? SMIC has no way compared to our old Chartered!!!
or stop all spare parts to SMIC? stop all US equipment in IC manufacturing to SMIC?
美國威脅中芯國際關門大吉
generally china has no technology or any invention in IC development or manufacturing, all rely on western technology, technology transfer, steal or rob or buy!!
Not only hardware rely on western, software like IC design tools & software & more in production!!
spare parts, design tools update, equipment support like applied magnetic, just cut all these out, most china IC company can close down!!
Just like stop using windows OS & Intel, AMD IC in china!!
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(07-07-2022, 06:19 PM)kokee Wrote: not only IC development or manufacturing, almost all the advanced equipment are imported from the west, china has no technology & precision to do make all these equipment & tools!!
all comie dogs here can bark whatever lies self created by their communist sources of liars.
Same for advanced IC for weapons & military, all must import mostly from US. China are banned to buy, but they try to buy from 3rd country then send back to china, these routes also blocked globally now!!!
9成靠進口!高端科學儀器中國造不出
china cant produce high end IC, whether military for weapons used, IT for hp & pc, EV car needs thousands of IC per car & all the high end electronics products, china needs to imports all these IC from US & western world.
manty IC banned to import to china, so they have to try to use 3rd party country to import which violate the rule & sanction, all the illegal & criminals way like huawei did for Iran & kena sanction.
china has no way to make even in future, without all these US IC, china has no high end products at all.
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(07-07-2022, 11:44 AM)webinarian Wrote:
Yes. 5-7 nm chips are used in hand phones because mobile phones' circuit boards are just the size of finger nail size. But circuit boards are used not just in mobile phones, they are used in all the high tech equipment including air-con system, vehicles, alternative power, artificial intelligence system, missiles, weapons, outer space stations, etc etc.
Just like Boeing lost the order of 292 aircraft, US chips will lose the market of chips in the next few years. China is the biggest market for chip and semi-conductors. China set the target supplying 70% chips in China market and may reach by end of 2022. When that is achieved, US chips will only supply to 30% or lesser in China's market.
Gradually, US will see loss of chips sale in the years to come. China is also developing chips of 5 nm and below and US loss of market will even be more.
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(08-07-2022, 08:10 AM)kokee Wrote: generally china has no technology or any invention in IC development or manufacturing, all rely on western technology, technology transfer, steal or rob or buy!!
Not only hardware rely on western, software like IC design tools & software & more in production!!
spare parts, design tools update, equipment support like applied magnetic, just cut all these out, most china IC company can close down!!
Just like stop using windows OS & Intel, AMD IC in china!!
对华芯片技术断供正式开启!
dont be conned by comie dogs using old news to BS here 7/24, new technology changing very fast, same to all the sanction & trade!!
read the latest news instead of old news spammed by comie dogs here 7/24!!
most patent & IC technology are hold in US hands, even TSMC major shareholder is US, not taiwan.
Face the truth, no need to be affected by skin color or anything.
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(08-07-2022, 07:53 AM)watchfirst9 Wrote: Even west electronic media also told stories they moving into 14nm.
Kokee still use youtube story to tell mC still in 90nm.
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