Why I dont believe ín Christianity
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(19-12-2023, 12:39 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote:  If God is perfect, and also loves all creatures, why were carnivores created?

We have three premises here:

1. God is omnipotent
2. God loves all creatures
    a. God would not want creatures to experience pain
3. Carnivores exist
If 3 is true- and it can’t really be disputed- one of the other premises must be wrong.

At the very least, 2a must be wrong. Then, God loves all creatures, but doesn’t consider predators killing prey to be a bad thing. He could redesign the animal kingdom so that animals don’t prey on each other, but surely the gift of life is enough. Who cares if they experience pain?

The next option is that 2 is entirely wrong, and God couldn’t care less about what happens on Earth. Maybe he’s just nicer to humans because we’re made in his image, or maybe we’re just deluded into thinking we’re special. Either way, it means that God certainly isn’t omnibenevolent.

If you don’t like the idea that God is kind of an asshole and lets suffering in the animal kingdom happen whilst being able to stop it, that only really leaves the idea that premise 1 is wrong. God does love all animals, and would stop their suffering if he could, but he can’t! This doesn’t make much sense, though, because of course he created everything as described in Genesis.

So, in summary: for carnivores to exist, God must either not care about the suffering of their prey or be powerless to change the world for the better.

Or, of course, the much easier conclusion is that God doesn’t exist and the entire animal kingdom is the result of competing organisms evolving over hundreds of millions of years.

https://www.quora.com/If-God-is-perfect-...1395?ch=10&oid=26311395&share=0c006aa9&srid=R7sr&target_type=answer

My question to my uncle pastor is slightly modified why were dinosaurs created and then later wiped out? Is it God play until sianz already so decide to do a system reboot? To do that must kill all and start new like playing toys like that.
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Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Sentinel - 17-12-2023, 02:47 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Niubee - 17-12-2023, 02:55 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Huliwang - 17-12-2023, 02:58 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Niubee - 17-12-2023, 04:06 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cheekopekman - 17-12-2023, 04:08 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Hope - 17-12-2023, 06:47 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 18-12-2023, 10:20 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 10:27 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 19-12-2023, 07:00 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 12:28 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cheekopekman - 18-12-2023, 12:38 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 12:45 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cheekopekman - 19-12-2023, 04:20 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 20-12-2023, 05:18 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by RiseofAsia - 17-12-2023, 05:37 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 01:26 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 17-12-2023, 03:00 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Ernesto - 17-12-2023, 06:13 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 17-12-2023, 10:44 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Ernesto - 17-12-2023, 11:58 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 18-12-2023, 10:14 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 10:18 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 17-12-2023, 03:04 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 17-12-2023, 03:05 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 17-12-2023, 04:15 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Alice Alicia - 17-12-2023, 04:22 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by RiseofAsia - 17-12-2023, 05:49 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cheekopekman - 17-12-2023, 06:25 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 17-12-2023, 06:37 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 17-12-2023, 06:51 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 01:28 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Sentinel - 19-12-2023, 03:00 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 11:08 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 19-12-2023, 04:02 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by KILLjoy - 19-12-2023, 10:49 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Huliwang - 18-12-2023, 02:15 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cheekopekman - 18-12-2023, 06:15 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Huliwang - 18-12-2023, 06:22 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by hansamu - 18-12-2023, 09:52 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 17-12-2023, 06:57 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Bigbluedot - 18-12-2023, 01:21 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 09:41 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 09:59 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 10:08 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 18-12-2023, 10:11 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 10:31 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 18-12-2023, 10:48 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 10:51 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by KILLjoy - 18-12-2023, 11:28 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 18-12-2023, 10:33 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 10:42 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 10:48 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cityhantam - 18-12-2023, 11:24 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 11:30 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 11:35 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 11:43 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 11:52 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 11:59 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 12:17 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 18-12-2023, 12:30 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Observer - 18-12-2023, 12:56 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 12:34 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Ernesto - 18-12-2023, 12:56 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 01:14 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Simplemen - 18-12-2023, 01:18 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 18-12-2023, 01:25 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 18-12-2023, 03:45 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 04:16 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 18-12-2023, 05:11 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 05:23 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 18-12-2023, 05:23 PM
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RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Simplemen - 18-12-2023, 11:56 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 19-12-2023, 03:51 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Sentinel - 18-12-2023, 02:25 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Rainforest - 18-12-2023, 03:50 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 04:04 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 18-12-2023, 05:15 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 18-12-2023, 05:29 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Scythian - 18-12-2023, 06:55 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 18-12-2023, 08:20 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by RichDad - 18-12-2023, 08:38 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 18-12-2023, 09:57 PM
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RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 11:15 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cityhantam - 19-12-2023, 02:12 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 02:23 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cityhantam - 19-12-2023, 03:10 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 03:53 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 19-12-2023, 04:09 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 04:25 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by KILLjoy - 19-12-2023, 09:08 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cityhantam - 19-12-2023, 07:30 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 19-12-2023, 12:03 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 19-12-2023, 12:17 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 19-12-2023, 03:22 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by sgh - 19-12-2023, 03:48 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 19-12-2023, 04:00 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 04:14 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 19-12-2023, 04:35 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by sgh - 19-12-2023, 04:57 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Huliwang - 19-12-2023, 05:05 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 20-12-2023, 11:35 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Simplemen - 19-12-2023, 12:29 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 19-12-2023, 12:34 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 19-12-2023, 12:39 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by sgh - 19-12-2023, 01:52 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 02:16 PM
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RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 20-12-2023, 11:14 AM
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RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 19-12-2023, 02:32 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 19-12-2023, 03:25 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 19-12-2023, 04:01 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 19-12-2023, 04:19 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Huliwang - 19-12-2023, 04:30 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 19-12-2023, 04:30 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Simplemen - 20-12-2023, 08:39 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by cheekopekman - 20-12-2023, 09:35 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 20-12-2023, 11:32 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Simplemen - 20-12-2023, 12:42 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 20-12-2023, 07:09 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 20-12-2023, 11:19 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by KILLjoy - 20-12-2023, 11:27 AM
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RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 20-12-2023, 12:14 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Lukongsimi - 20-12-2023, 01:27 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 20-12-2023, 01:31 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by RichDad - 21-12-2023, 08:56 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 24-12-2023, 10:07 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Blasterlord2 - 24-12-2023, 10:15 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 25-12-2023, 04:22 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 25-12-2023, 06:26 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 25-12-2023, 09:25 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by starbugstk - 25-12-2023, 09:32 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by KILLjoy - 28-12-2023, 10:19 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 25-12-2023, 11:29 AM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Oyk - 25-12-2023, 03:54 PM
RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by Manthink - 25-12-2023, 05:19 PM
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RE: Why I dont believe ín Christianity - by WhatDoYouThink! - 25-12-2023, 01:19 PM
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