‘Our fight is your fight’: Israel's Netanyahu, US Congress
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(25-07-2024, 10:39 PM)Bw2023 Wrote:  The sayings of the Prophet should be taken together with its context. Those words where he said he would expel Jews & Christians were said after a battle instigated by Jews in which they were defeated. They then asked the Prophet to let them stay, and the Prophet was kind enough to allow them despite the Jews' hostilities towards the Muslims. 

The Jews & Christians weren't always accepting of his teachings. Some of them fought against the Muslims, broke treaties, tried to murder Muslim pilgrims enroute to the Haj & so on. Their expulsion from the Hijaz region of Arabia where Mecca & Medina are located were meant to protect the holy pilgrimage sites. 

Looking at the extreme hostilities between some Jews (allied with some Christians supplying weapons) towards Muslims today as seen in Palestine, such expulsion to protect the holy sites against violent bloodshed was justified. 

Having said that, Jews, Christians & Muslims have a long history of peaceful co-existence in the middle east, before the Europeans came to mess things up.

He literally said… “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula until I leave none but Muslims” - Sahih Muslim 1767

How much clearer can the answer be!? I swear these people will make up an excuse or lie for absolutely anything and everything that Muhammad did....

Muhammad hated the Jews and Christians because they knew he was a false prophet and rejected him....if the Muslim can expel the Jews and Christians.. So what is the problem if Israel does the same to Palestine? And mind you..they have done nothing to suggest that they wanted to claim the land and if they wanted to nuke that place up...it is just a button away! It is that easy!
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(25-07-2024, 10:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  He literally said… “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula until I leave none but Muslims” - Sahih Muslim 1767

How much clearer can the answer be!? I swear these people will make up an excuse or lie for absolutely anything and everything that Muhammad did....

Muhammad hated the Jews and Christians because they knew he was a false prophet and rejected him....if the Muslim can expel the Jews and Christians.. So what is the problem if Israel does the same to Palestine? And mind you..they have done nothing to suggest that they wanted to claim the land and if they wanted to nuke that place up...it is just a button away! It is that easy!

As I explained to you, he said that AFTER A BATTLE instigated by the Jews who wanted to exterminate the Muslims. He did not say it in one fine day he woke up from the bed for the fun of it as you imagined. And as I told you, he let the same Jews who wanted to kill him stay on after they were defeated. Now, compare this with what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinian men women & children, you can see unless you are blinded by whatever it is you believe in.

And, 1400 years ago, people did not have satellites, maps, gps or airplanes to tell them what Arabian Peninsula was as how we now understand it to be. 1400 years ago it referred to the area known as Hijaz where the 2 holy sites are located because that was where the trade route passed through and it was the centre of the Arabian civilisation at that time. 

Are you sure that Christians rejected Muhammad as false prophet, or is it just you?

When he was a teenager while travelling with merchants in a trade caravan to Syria, a Christian monk who studied old manuscripts saw signs in Muhammad the prophet as described in the manuscripts & told Muhammad's uncle about it to take him to Mecca & protect him. Why? Because the monk knew people would kill him & accuse him of being a false prophet just like you do 1400 years today. 

When he first received God's revelations from Gabriel the archangel, he was shaken with fear. His wife took him to an elderly Christian scholar who said that it was the Angel of Revelations, the same one who had come to Moses. He said he wished he was younger to be able to protect him. Why? Same reason as above.

In the early years the Muslims were persecuted by the pagan Meccans for spreading a new religion just as how Jesus was by the Romans & those Jews who rejected him as a false messiah. They migrated to what is now Ethiopia to seek refuge from the Christian king. At first the king refused. But the king was convinced after hearing the Muslim refugees recite to him verses that described the birth of Jesus. Christians were partly responsible for helping Islam establish.

The problem with your assertions is that you started with a bias against the Prophet and then you worked backwards to confirm your biasness. All you got was exactly just that.
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(25-07-2024, 05:34 PM)Bw2023 Wrote:  The IDF began as Zionist terrorist Irgun and Stern gangs. Just because they wear uniforms & give themselves ranks does not mean they no longer are terrorists. The UN has also labelled IDF as child killers alongside Hamas. But in terms of numbers of children killed, IDF beat Hamas hands down.

I have asserted all along that the Israelis are no angels, but how does the IDF deal with brutal terrorists like Hamas who murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped unarmed Israeli citizens? An armed response to teach Hamas a really painful lesson is how Israel have responded. Two wrongs may not make things right, but Hamas has been brought to its knees. I speak as a neutral as I am neither Jew nor Muslim, while almost all S'porean Muslims have blindly supported Hamas.  
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(25-07-2024, 03:13 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  The Israelis are tough cookies, so Hamas screwed with them on 7 Oct 2023 at their own peril. The Gazans are suffering reprisals now because of Hamas.
These Hamas are making use of civilians as shield and they are not in any way helping or protecting its own people. Many necessities like fuel, water and foods supplies are first grabbed by Hamas before civilians get access to it. They care for their own survival first priority.
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(26-07-2024, 01:53 PM)Gemstar Wrote:  These Hamas are making use of civilians as shield and they are not in any way helping or protecting its own people. Many necessities like fuel, water and foods supplies are first grabbed by Hamas before civilians get access to it. They care for their own survival first priority.

Hamas deliberately put their civilians in the way of Israeli soldiers hunting the terrorists, so the IDF gets the blame

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Remember the Charlie Hebdo murders in 2015 in Paris, France? Staff from satirical magazine "Charlie Hebdo" were killed by 2 Muslim brothers, Said Kouachi and Cherif Kouachi for drawing cartoons that made fund of Muslims, Christians and Jews. Do not refer to terrorists as "freedom fighters".

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(26-07-2024, 01:07 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  I have asserted all along that the Israelis are no angels, but how does the IDF deal with brutal terrorists like Hamas who murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped unarmed Israeli citizens? An armed response to teach Hamas a really painful lesson is how Israel have responded. Two wrongs may not make things right, but Hamas has been brought to its knees. I speak as a neutral as I am neither Jew nor Muslim, while almost all S'porean Muslims have blindly supported Hamas.  

Is blanket bombing the whole place is a right way to take out 1 or 2 hamas members? What if the IDF found one or 2 hamas members hiding in Singapore?  Would you say they should also blanket bomb the whole Singapore? Don't give me crap answer like " This is a war, what do you expect"
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(26-07-2024, 03:27 PM)Clyde Wrote:  Is blanket bombing the whole place is a right way to take out 1 or 2 hamas members? What if the IDF found one or 2 hamas members hiding in Singapore?  Would you say they should also blanket bomb the whole Singapore? Don't give me crap answer like " This is a war, what do you expect"

The difference is that if IDF have intelligence that 2 Hamas terrorists are hiding in S'pore, they would inform us and the ISD would have apprehended them. Intelligence appears to be in short supply as far as you are concerned, so do not give me your crap analogy.  LOL! 
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(26-07-2024, 02:46 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  Hamas deliberately put their civilians in the way of Israeli soldiers hunting the terrorists, so the IDF gets the blame

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According to you, if gunmen hide in your house & take you & yr family hostage, its ok for the army to bomb the shxt out of you, your wife, children, father & mother so as to kill the gunmen.
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(26-07-2024, 03:34 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  The difference is that if IDF have intelligence that 2 Hamas terrorists are hiding in S'pore, they would inform us and the ISD would have apprehended them. Intelligence appears to be in short supply as far as you are concerned, so do not give me your crap analogy.  LOL! 

The IDF can also apprehend these 2 hamas members themselves., why need to blanket bomb the whole place? 
This is an answer to your crap accusation.
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(26-07-2024, 03:27 PM)Clyde Wrote:  Is blanket bombing the whole place is a right way to take out 1 or 2 hamas members? What if the IDF found one or 2 hamas members hiding in Singapore?  Would you say they should also blanket bomb the whole Singapore? Don't give me crap answer like " This is a war, what do you expect"
War is never right. Just look at Russia and Ukraine. Russians are bombing Ukraine indiscriminately killing civilians. Foremost, Russia is an aggressor attacking a sovereign country.
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(26-07-2024, 03:55 PM)Gemstar Wrote:  War is never right. Just look at Russia and Ukraine. Russians are bombing Ukraine indiscriminately killing civilians. Foremost, Russia is an aggressor attacking a sovereign country.

You're right lah! Big Grin Nobody is right in war lah!
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(26-07-2024, 01:07 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  I have asserted all along that the Israelis are no angels, but how does the IDF deal with brutal terrorists like Hamas who murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped unarmed Israeli citizens? An armed response to teach Hamas a really painful lesson is how Israel have responded. Two wrongs may not make things right, but Hamas has been brought to its knees. I speak as a neutral as I am neither Jew nor Muslim, while almost all S'porean Muslims have blindly supported Hamas.  

I beg to differ. The one who is blindly supporting a side is you. You didn't stop to question the Zionists. You believe everything they tell you about Hamas and you peddle their lies without doing due diligence. You whitewash the killing of innocent people with a callous statement, "I understand where they are coming from" and to give yourself the facade of a human, you included a passing stamp of disapproval that carries no weight.

Don't lie to us. You're not a neutral. You are standing with the evil people.

(25-07-2024, 03:58 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  We may agree to disagree. You continue to support terrorists while I will support those who try to eradicate them
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(25-07-2024, 01:03 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  If my neighbour crosses into my property, kills my wife and kidnaps my kids, I will retaliate to rescue my children and do everything within my power to ensure that my neighbour never does that again. 

What if you are the first one to cross over to your neighbour's property and kill his wife and kidnap his kids? Would you allow them the same rights to retaliate the same way?
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(26-07-2024, 03:34 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  The difference is that if IDF have intelligence that 2 Hamas terrorists are hiding in S'pore, they would inform us and the ISD would have apprehended them. Intelligence appears to be in short supply as far as you are concerned, so do not give me your crap analogy.  LOL! 

Many months back, I already heard from someone close to me that there is no shortage of intelligence in Singapore.  Our G hired many of them recently and their pay were exceptionally high.
Isn't this your crap analogy?
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