[Lukongsimi]

In your bible verse, you say it is a sin. I just want to know what is the punishment for that sin.? Didn’t Jesus die for your sin?

U mean Muslim no sin no need a saviour can fly to heaven after praying 5 times per day?

[Oyk]

No, there is not mistake at all.

You deny it through your teeth.  Scholars of the language have found so many.  

[Oyk]

It’s written in the bible 
Joseph although not Jesus ‘s biological father he still was Jesus ‘s earthly father 
whom Mary married 
We believe in Christ so we belong to Him alone.

Your muh can save u ?how?

Muh also needed Jesus.  But till the day he died, he did not accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  Instead, he started Islam, and I know Ali and Hope will join forces (or voices) to say no!!!!  They will say Islam existed nong nong ago...and start calling Old Testament peepur prophets to try to act old.

[Lukongsimi]

Muh also needed Jesus.  But till the day he died, he did not accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  Instead, he started Islam, and I know Ali and Hope will join forces (or voices) to say no!!!!  They will say Islam existed nong nong ago...and start calling Old Testament peepur prophets to try to act old.

Rebel against the Holy bible n not accepting Christ as Saviour 
They aren’t smart to save their soul

[Hope]

It’s written in the bible 
Joseph although not Jesus ‘s biological father he still was Jesus ‘s earthly father 
whom Mary married 
We believe in Christ so we belong to Him alone.

Your muh can save u ?how?

as per Quran, it is blasphemy to say Jesus had an father or earthly father.So Jesus didn’t have any lineage.

Muhammad taught our salvation come from believing in six articles of faith and practicing five pillars of Islam 


ARTICLE OF FAITH 
1)To believe in the Oneness of God
2)To believe in the Angels
3)To believe in the Books of Allah
4)To believe in all the Prophets
5)To believe in the Day of Judgment
6) To believe in the Divine Decree

FIVE PILLARS 
1. The profession of faith (the shahada)
2)Daily prayers (Salat)
3)Alms giving (Zakat)
4)Fasting during Ramadan (saum)
5)Hajj or pilgrimage to Mecca

[Oyk]

In your bible verse, you say it is a sin. I just want to know what is the punishment for that sin.? Didn’t Jesus die for your sin?

If God is going to punish sins, He would be very busy punishing everyone in heaven after raising each of us from the dead. You stole your sister's money?  Piak! This slap is for you.  You backstabbed your colleague, and lied about him?  Piak!  You mocked Christians?  Piak Piak!

And if he is going to forgive sins, He would be just as busy going through the Book, and say "You prayed for forgiveness?  Got do penance bo?  Didn't do?" Piak!  Sin not forgiven!

You stole the church's money?  Got return the money bo?  Yes, you did? And did your penance?  OK.  Angel Ali did record this down.  OK, you are forgiven, dude!

Eew...that's not huat the Bible says man.

So what did it say?  It says, if your name is not found in the Book of Life, you go to.....

[Hope]

Muh also needed Jesus.  But till the day he died, he did not accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  Instead, he started Islam, and I know Ali and Hope will join forces (or voices) to say no!!!!  They will say Islam existed nong nong ago...and start calling Old Testament peepur prophets to try to act old.

Islam means submission to oneness of God. All the prophets mentioned in Quran, called people to accept true god alone

The prophets of Islam include: Adam, Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud (Heber), Saleh (Methusaleh), Lut (Lot), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), Yusuf (Joseph), Shu’aib (Jethro), Ayyub (Job), Dhulkifl (Ezekiel), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Dawud (David), Sulayman (Solomon), Ilyas (Elias), Alyasa (Elisha), Yunus (Jonah), Zakariya (Zachariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), Isa (Jesus) and Muhammad

[Hope]

U mean Muslim no sin no need a saviour can fly to heaven after praying 5 times per day?

There are seven heavens and seven hells.Every human regardless of their faith enter according to their deed.
People who call partners to God , will be in hell forever

[Oyk]

If God is going to punish sins, He would be very busy punishing everyone in heaven after raising each of us from the dead. You stole your sister's money?  Piak! This slap is for you.  You backstabbed your colleague, and lied about him?  Piak!  You mocked Christians?  Piak Piak!

And if he is going to forgive sins, He would be just as busy going through the Book, and say "You prayed for forgiveness?  Got do penance bo?  Didn't do?" Piak!  Sin not forgiven!

You stole the church's money?  Got return the money bo?  Yes, you did? And did your penance?  OK.  Angel Ali did record this down.  OK, you are forgiven, dude!

Eew...that's not huat the Bible says man.

So what did it say?  It says, if your name is not found in the Book of Life, you go to.....

Christ has died for our Sin.  The Muslims here are unable to grasp that.  They are "micro-managing" still living by the Law, and worrying themselves sick, unsure if they would make it to heaven, and hoping that Allah would let them in, they pray five times a day, fast, and still have zero assurance that they would enter. They live in fear and great uncertainty.

I wrote a long post a few days ago.  Don't wish to repeat over and over.

[Lukongsimi]

There are seven heavens and seven hells.Every human regardless of their faith enter according to their deed.
People who call partners to God , will be in hell forever

This is your belief not ours 

Where got 7 heavens u have been there?
There is no way to enter heaven without Jesus’s permission

[Lukongsimi]

as per Quran, it is blasphemy to say Jesus had an father or earthly father.So Jesus didn’t have any lineage.

Muhammad taught our salvation come from believing in six articles of faith and practicing five pillars of Islam 


ARTICLE OF FAITH 
1)To believe in the Oneness of God
2)To believe in the Angels
3)To believe in the Books of Allah
4)To believe in all the Prophets
5)To believe in the Day of Judgment
6) To believe in the Divine Decree

FIVE PILLARS 
1. The profession of faith (the shahada)
2)Daily prayers (Salat)
3)Alms giving (Zakat)
4)Fasting during Ramadan (saum)
5)Hajj or pilgrimage to Mecca

That is your religion not ours 
Can’t compare

[Oyk]

There are seven heavens and seven hells.Every human regardless of their faith enter according to their deed.
People who call partners to God , will be in hell forever

What the flying spaghetti is "call partners to God"?

[pinkpanther]

Muh also needed Jesus.  But till the day he died, he did not accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  Instead, he started Islam, and I know Ali and Hope will join forces (or voices) to say no!!!!  They will say Islam existed nong nong ago...and start calling Old Testament peepur prophets to try to act old.

According to mohammad..Jesus is his best buddy ok. So maybe he did get his salvation  thru Jesus.. 

Muslims respect and revere Je- sus, peace be upon him (p) and consider him one of the greatest of God's prophets and messen- gers to humanity. Muhammad (p) felt a special closeness to Jesus (p): "Both in this world and in the Hereaf- ter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary.

[luncheonmeat]

Jesus didn’t have a human father, How can he have a lineage upto to Sarah only ,not up to Abraham, Or Sarah’s ancestors?

Are you a descendent of Sarah?

Did Sarah descendent manage to save the world as you mentioned?They couldn’t save even from breaking into factions.

Are you and majority of the muslims here descendents of Abraham? 

Ali has posed this qn abt Jesus' lineage many times before, and repeated it again in this thread, try to catch up. 
https://sgtalk.net/Thread-The-name-of-Je...#pid864135

You are telling me Islamism has no denomination/factions but just 1 rosy community? Try to catch up.
https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/80779

It's a wonder that Islam has even more than 1 faction since members of this religion would meet an unkind fate if they dared to step out of bounds of the prescribed faith.

[Oyk]

According to mohammad..Jesus is his best buddy ok. So maybe he did get his salvation  thru Jesus.. 

Muslims respect and revere Je- sus, peace be upon him (p) and consider him one of the greatest of God's prophets and messen- gers to humanity. Muhammad (p) felt a special closeness to Jesus (p): "Both in this world and in the Hereaf- ter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary.

He can claim to be the closest to Jesus of all peepur.  My grandmother also made that claim wor.

The one thing he did not say is "Jesus is Lord and God, the Messiah". 

He can be the best-behaved chap, remain celibate all his life, treating wounded peepur instead of killing peepur by the sword, and do things which even Buddhist monks would feel shamed becaus he is earning more (good) KARMA than they....

But without Christ, he will not be found worthy to stand before God.  His Sin must be forgiven, he needs to be born again as a new man, the old man must be nailed to the Cross in Christ.  That is the foundation of Christianity, the necessary Death on the Cross that opened the Way to Salvation.  Instead, Islam says Jesus did not die.  Someone else was nailed to it.  Do you believe Muh or Paul?

[Hope]

If God is going to punish sins, He would be very busy punishing everyone in heaven after raising each of us from the dead. You stole your sister's money?  Piak! This slap is for you.  You backstabbed your colleague, and lied about him?  Piak!  You mocked Christians?  Piak Piak!

And if he is going to forgive sins, He would be just as busy going through the Book, and say "You prayed for forgiveness?  Got do penance bo?  Didn't do?" Piak!  Sin not forgiven!

You stole the church's money?  Got return the money bo?  Yes, you did? And did your penance?  OK.  Angel Ali did record this down.  OK, you are forgiven, dude!

Eew...that's not huat the Bible says man.

So what did it say?  It says, if your name is not found in the Book of Life, you go to.....

If God can create and manage the universe without any flaws , can’t he watch and record our sins?

Of course, if God is dead, He cannot.

[Lukongsimi]

According to mohammad..Jesus is his best buddy ok. So maybe he did get his salvation  thru Jesus.. 

Muslims respect and revere Je- sus, peace be upon him (p) and consider him one of the greatest of God's prophets and messen- gers to humanity. Muhammad (p) felt a special closeness to Jesus (p): "Both in this world and in the Hereaf- ter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary.

The Jesus of the Quran isn't the same person as Our Savior. He doesn't say the same things - in fact he says he is not to be worshipped (Quran 5:116) - nor does he teach any great life lessons. He doesn't say or do much at all except refute Christian beliefs and mind-numbingly affirm Muhammed's absurd claims about himself.
The Jesus in the Quran is not the son of any god (their Allah has no son; Quran 23:91), he isn't crucified or resurrected. The Quran can't even get his Mother straight, confusing her with Mary in the OT (Quran 66:12), who lived a thousand years earlier. The Jesus in the Quran will return to testify againstChristians on Judgment Day (Quran 4:159), thereby destroying Christianity.
Until that time he will presumably do what other "good Muslims" do in the afterlife and amuse himself by mocking all the Christians down in Muslim hell. (Quran 7:44)

[Lukongsimi]

Seems more Christians here than Muslim

[pinkpanther]

He can claim to be the closest to Jesus of all peepur.  My grandmother also made that claim wor.

The one thing he did not say is "Jesus is Lord and God, the Messiah". 

He can be the best-behaved chap, remain celibate all his life, treating wounded peepur instead of killing peepur by the sword, and do things which even Buddhist monks would feel shamed becaus he is earning more (good) KARMA than they....

But without Christ, he will not be found worthy to stand before God.  His Sin must be forgiven, he needs to be born again as a new man, the old man must be nailed to the Cross in Christ.  That is the foundation of Christianity, the necessary Death on the Cross that opened the Way to Salvation.  Instead, Islam says Jesus did not die.  Someone else was nailed to it.  Do you believe Muh or Paul?

I believe in Jesus....he never says he is kawan kawan with mohammad hor...only mohammad claims that his best friend is Jesus...
Is he using Jesus name so that he can sit firm among Muslims? It is like telling peepur my best friend is LHL so no one dares to lay a finger on me..

[Lukongsimi]

I believe in Jesus....he never says he is kawan kawan with mohammad hor...only mohammad claims that his best friend is Jesus...
Is he using Jesus name so that he can sit firm among Muslims? It is like telling peepur my best friend is LHL so no one dares to lay a finger on me..

Muh born 5-600 years later after Christ how to Kawan kawan?

[pinkpanther]

The Jesus of the Quran isn't the same person as Our Savior. He doesn't say the same things - in fact he says he is not to be worshipped (Quran 5:116) - nor does he teach any great life lessons. He doesn't say or do much at all except refute Christian beliefs and mind-numbingly affirm Muhammed's absurd claims about himself.
The Jesus in the Quran is not the son of any god (their Allah has no son; Quran 23:91), he isn't crucified or resurrected. The Quran can't even get his Mother straight, confusing her with Mary in the OT (Quran 66:12), who lived a thousand years earlier. The Jesus in the Quran will return to testify againstChristians on Judgment Day (Quran 4:159), thereby destroying Christianity.
Until that time he will presumably do what other "good Muslims" do in the afterlife and amuse himself by mocking all the Christians down in Muslim hell. (Quran 7:44)

True..Jesus lived a thousand years earlier than the quran...the Muslims just want to have exclusive rights to Jesus...so they just come up with some new stories and lines

[pinkpanther]

Muh born 5-600 years later after Christ how to Kawan kawan?

...ask mohammad!

[Oyk]

If God can create and manage the universe without any flaws , can’t he watch and record our sins?

Of course, if God is dead, He cannot.

Time does not even exist for God.  In timeless time, or eternity if we insert time into our scheme of thoughts, God has all the time to go through our sins, one at a time. 

You are entitled to believe that you will be called up and in an instant, be whisked away to sit next to Muh, because all your sin have been forgiven while I will be standing there, head bowed, for a pretty long time because damn it! I believed Paul and thought I was forgiven in Christ.  

Meanwhile Paul is being kept in chains and is sitting on a bed of fire next to Lucifer.  Both will soon not be sitting on the bed but thrown into the Lake below.  As my sins are not forgiven, according to you, I should be going there as well. 

[Oyk]

I believe in Jesus....he never says he is kawan kawan with mohammad hor...only mohammad claims that his best friend is Jesus...
Is he using Jesus name so that he can sit firm among Muslims? It is like telling peepur my best friend is LHL so no one dares to lay a finger on me..

Say that in real life, and you'd be in trouble if your superior is a oppie who votes for RK.

Some peepur take politics extremely seriously, and if you vote for the party they hate, especially the person they hate, your career is finished if they are your superior. 

The Presidential Erection, with TKL and NKS in the ring, has us dishwashers all talking politics.  Some were rooting for TKL because only he said he would...you know lar...and the Council of Presidential Advisors would include Lim Tean, TCB?

It would be fatal for me to be found to be a PAP supporter, even though this was not the GE.  It's OK for me to reveal that I was a Christian, it shant cost me my job...but not PAP sarporkter.

OK, taim to leave the house and do my dish washing...

[singaporean1964]

this is sgtalk's longest lasting thread
so religion can bring people 'together' to talk
most of the time
pple are rushing to work make money making ends meet in this crazy world of rat races
where pple judge u for how much money u have

[Hope]

Time does not even exist for God.  In timeless time, or eternity if we insert time into our scheme of thoughts, God has all the time to go through our sins, one at a time. 

You are entitled to believe that you will be called up and in an instant, be whisked away to sit next to Muh, because all your sin have been forgiven while I will be standing there, head bowed, for a pretty long time because damn it! I believed Paul and thought I was forgiven in Christ.  

Meanwhile Paul is being kept in chains and is sitting on a bed of fire next to Lucifer.  Both will soon not be sitting on the bed but thrown into the Lake below.  As my sins are not forgiven, according to you, I should be going there as well. 

Okay. If Islam is true,Where are going to run on the day of Judgement?Read below verses carefully 


[Quran 5:116] GOD will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?’ “ He will say, “Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.

[Quran 5:117] “I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: ‘You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.’ I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.

[Quran5:118] “If You punish them, they are Your constituents. If You forgive them, You are the Almighty, Most Wise.”

[Hope]

I believe in Jesus....he never says he is kawan kawan with mohammad hor...only mohammad claims that his best friend is Jesus...
Is he using Jesus name so that he can sit firm among Muslims? It is like telling peepur my best friend is LHL so no one dares to lay a finger on me..

He no need Jesus to market Islam to anyone.
He emphasises oneness of God. 

Practice of Islam today is the same as 1400 years ago . This is another point.

No one can change Quran or Islam even the  billionaires house of saud , Bolkiah and etc

[Hope]

this is sgtalk's longest lasting thread
so religion can bring people 'together' to talk
most of the time
pple are rushing to work make money making ends meet in this crazy world of rat races
where pple judge u for how much money u have

Only about 8 -12 members are writing

[Hope]

Muh born 5-600 years later after Christ how to Kawan kawan?

Do you accept Old Testament which came long before Jesus?
Do people of Old Testament accept New Testament and Jesus which came after hundreds of years?

[Lukongsimi]

Do you accept Old Testament which came long before Jesus?
Do people of Old Testament accept New Testament and Jesus which came after hundreds of years?

Jesus already appeared in the OT as a burning bush 
With the 3 men in the fiery furnace 
Wrestle with Jacob 
Etc..