[pinkpanther]

I will take you as a rescue 😜

Am I spreading falsehoods, my friend? When I challenge your beliefs based on evidence, your biased buddy tends to offer various excuses to claim that I’m spreading lies.... In fact, your friend has contributed to a negative perception of Islam by being in denial!

Those that are always in denial are those who are usually not very well read

[pinkpanther]

Anyone who adds or subtracts any word from the Bible will be answerable to God on the Judgement Day lah!  Better don't anyhow say lah!

Yes..cannot anyhow add or subtract or anyhow misinterpret!

[Ali Imran]

Anyone who adds or subtracts any word from the Bible will be answerable to God on the Judgement Day lah!  Better don't anyhow say lah!

Hullo 

People have been doing that since the very beginning. The first surviving Bible, the Codex Sinaiticus, dated to the 4th century, is very different from the Bible you hold in your hands today. 

Even today they are changing the verses in the Bible. Scholars are editing the Bible even as we speak.

[cheekopekman]

Hullo 

People have been doing that since the very beginning. The first surviving Bible, the Codex Sinaiticus, dated to the 4th century, is very different from the Bible you hold in your hands today. 

Even today they are changing the verses in the Bible. Scholars are editing the Bible even as we speak.

ALL of them will regret 1 day lah!

[Ali Imran]

ALL of them will regret 1 day lah!

So, why are they changing the Bible? Because of mistakes. 

Imagine that. You based your entire faith in the eternal hereafter on a book that has mistakes that require corrections for over 2000 years already. Even today they are still not finished correcting the mistakes because more and more discoveries of ancient manuscripts are highlighting the more mistakes and forgeries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44117239

[cheekopekman]

So, why are they changing the Bible? Because of mistakes. 

Imagine that. You based your entire faith in the eternal hereafter on a book that has mistakes that require corrections for over 2000 years already. Even today they are still not finished correcting the mistakes because more and more discoveries of ancient manuscripts are highlighting the more mistakes and forgeries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44117239

I'm aware that some people during the revised edition of the Bible omitted or changed certain words lah!

[pinkpanther]

Book 008, Number 3421:

‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur’an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur’an (and recited by the Muslims).

If the Quran has not changed...where can I find the 10 sucklings according to Aisha? Obviously it has been omitted and it is no longer the Word of God!

[pinkpanther]

I'm aware that some people during the revised edition of the Bible omitted or changed certain words lah!

The Bible has always been preserved ...the messages and meanings have always been clear!

[Ali Imran]

I'm aware that some people during the revised edition of the Bible omitted or changed certain words lah!

Omit words? Are you kidding?

Not just words. Not just verses. Not just chapters. They throw out entire books.

[pinkpanther]

While the manuscript evidence for the Old Testament is encouraging, the manuscript evidence of the New Testament is unsurpassed by any other ancient book.

The wealth of manuscript evidence for the New Testament provides us with a tremendously accurate rendering of the original copies.

If the Torah is not well preserved....I'm not suggesting that it is corrupted..then it will become a big problem for Islam for they claim Allah will protect the books!

[pinkpanther]

It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'ân) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). 4. Aforetime, as a guidance to mankind, And He sent down the criterion [of judgement between right and wrong (this Qur'ân)


Q. 15:9 to preserve the Reminder includes with it the promise to protect the previous Books such as the Torah and Gospel since the Quran calls these specific Scriptures the Reminder

If the Torah has not been preserved...certainly Allah has not lived up to his words!

[cheekopekman]

Omit words? Are you kidding?

Not just words. Not just verses. Not just chapters. They throw out entire books.

Some people said there's a Gospel of Judas which our churches don't agree lah!

[pinkpanther]

The Hebrew Bible is The Torah and "Old Testament" are the same thing. That is also often called the Tanakh

So Muhammad pbup...so courteous of me..  confirmed the Torah and Gospel in the 7th century .....anything before that you cannot find any faults or discrepancies with the books!

Is The Bible In Our Hands The Same As During The Time Of Muhammad....this is the question you moslems should be searching..
Obviously during Muhammad's time..the Quran has been changed since Aisha reported the missing of the 10 sucklings

[Lukongsimi]

If I need you to stay a Christian for me to go to heaven, I'd want you to stay a Christian. But here I am telling you why I believe you are on the wrong path and inviting you to Islam, the straight path to salvation.

So please think, pengyu. Your friend pinky is spreading lies about Islam.

No thank u
I m very scared of being roasted.

[cheekopekman]

The Hebrew Bible is The Torah and "Old Testament" are the same thing. That is also often called the Tanakh

So Muhammad pbup...so courteous of me..  confirmed the Torah and Gospel in the 7th century .....anything before that you cannot find any faults or discrepancies with the books!

Is The Bible In Our Hands The Same As During The Time Of Muhammad....this is the question you moslems should be searching..
Obviously during Muhammad's time..the Quran has been changed since Aisha reported the missing of the 10 sucklings

The Old Testament has 39 books and the New Testament has 27 books so total 66 books in the Bible lah!  That's the canonised Holy Bible lah! Any addition or subtraction will be judged by the Lord Jesus Christ lah! Let Him be the Judge lah!

[pinkpanther]

The Old Testament has 39 books and the New Testament has 27 books so total 66 books in the Bible lah!  That's the canonised Holy Bible lah! Any addition or subtraction will be judged by the Lord Jesus Christ lah! Let Him be the Judge lah!

The Old Testament (OT) is the first division of the Christian biblical canon, which is based primarily upon the 24 books of the Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh, a collection of ancient religious Hebrew and occasionally Aramaic writings by the Israelites..

The Torah consists only of 5 books...Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy 

[pinkpanther]

No thank u
I m very scared of being roasted.

He can't seem to set aside his inflated ego and constantly claims that I'm lying. Therefore, I presented him with what Muhammad stated. So, who is lying—me or Muhammad?

Either answers he gave..he will be caught! So do you Abdul still need a Christian so that you can go to heaven?

[Ali Imran]

The Old Testament has 39 books and the New Testament has 27 books so total 66 books in the Bible lah!  That's the canonised Holy Bible lah! Any addition or subtraction will be judged by the Lord Jesus Christ lah! Let Him be the Judge lah!

So you consider your Bible, which was canonized in the 16th century, to be the true Bible. All the Bibles before that were not the true Bible.

Is that what you believe? All the millions and millions of Christians before the 16th century didn't have the true Bible?

[Ali Imran]

No thank u
I m very scared of being roasted.

If you worship a false god, you will be roasted. 

Jesus, by his own admission in John 17:3, is not the true God yet you are worshipping him.

Who told you to worship Jesus? Not Jesus for sure. Other men told you to worship Jesus. I know the history and you don't so you cannot argue with me.

[Ali Imran]

Some people said there's a Gospel of Judas which our churches don't agree lah!

There were many gospels in circulation within the first 300 years after Jesus. Among the earliest gospels written was the Gospel according to St Thomas, which was not canonized. Other gospels around in the early days were of Barnabas, James, Mary Magdalene, and a few others. 

Who were the people who decided for you that you should believe in only those 4 gospels in your Bible? Do you care to know? Is it important for you to know? Are you interested to know? Or do you just blindly believe what people tell you?

[pinkpanther]

Notice how he selectively quotes John 17:3 but overlooks the following verse, John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

As usual...misinterpreting and spreading lies

[pinkpanther]

The decision to recognize the four Gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—as canonical texts in the New Testament was made by early Christian leaders and councils over several centuries. Key figures in this process included church fathers such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Origen, who argued for the authenticity and apostolic origins of these texts. The criteria for selecting these Gospels involved factors like apostolic authorship, widespread use in early Christian communities, and theological consistency.

The formal canonization process was solidified in the 4th century, particularly with the councils of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD), which affirmed the inclusion of these four Gospels as part of the New Testament. Ultimately, the decisions were influenced by theological, historical, and liturgical considerations, as well as the need for a unified set of teachings for the growing Christian faith.

[Lukongsimi]

If you worship a false god, you will be roasted. 

Jesus, by his own admission in John 17:3, is not the true God yet you are worshipping him.

Who told you to worship Jesus? Not Jesus for sure. Other men told you to worship Jesus. I know the history and you don't so you cannot argue with me.

U know the history  by listening to man’s teaching 
U mean I must believe u n follow u to hell huh?

[Ali Imran]

U know the history  by listening to man’s teaching 
U mean I must believe u n follow u to hell huh?

Nobody telling you that you must believe me. 

All you need to do is do a study. Read some books from Christian scholars and historians. Be interested to know the origin of your faith, like who were the people who came up with the Trinity for example.

[Hope]

It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'ân) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). 4. Aforetime, as a guidance to mankind, And He sent down the criterion [of judgement between right and wrong (this Qur'ân)


Q. 15:9 to preserve the Reminder includes with it the promise to protect the previous Books such as the Torah and Gospel since the Quran calls these specific Scriptures the Reminder

If the Torah has not been preserved...certainly Allah has not lived up to his words!

Quran 15:9 talking about the Quran only.

Quran no where say Allah protecting the Taurat of Moses and Injeel of Jesus.
“It is certainly We Who have revealed the Reminder, and it is certainly We Who will preserve it.”Quran 15:9

[pinkpanther]

Quran 15:9 talking about the Quran only.

Quran no where say Allah protecting the Taurat of Moses and Injeel of Jesus.
“It is certainly We Who have revealed the Reminder, and it is certainly We Who will preserve it.”Quran 15:9

And We sent, following in their footsteps,1 Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous

Muhammad and the early muslims never believed that the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians got corrupted and the Qur'an always speaks very highly about the Torah and Gospel:

Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord" (5:71).

How can the Jew or Christian, stand fast by the Law and the Gospel, if the Law and the Gospel have been corrupted or abrogated?

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee (10:94)

To make matters even worse for muslims is that allah says the 'uncorrupted' Torah and Injeel were still with the Jews and Christians at the time of Muhammad:

Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP).

And when there cometh unto them (Jews) a Scripture (the Qur'an) from Allah, confirming that in their possession (2:89 MP).

We know what Scriptures Jews and Christians had with them in the 7th century and they are the same Torah and Gospel we have today.

Therefore if you are a Muslim you should not attack the Bible since the Qur'an upholds it!

[Hope]

U know the history  by listening to man’s teaching 
U mean I must believe u n follow u to hell huh?

Very simple.check following 
When did Christian start to worship trinity?
Until then ,what did early christian worship?
When did Jesus Completed his religion?

Muslim started to pray five times since 610AD
 started to give compulsory charity since 622
 started to fast since 624
 Started to do Haj pilgrimage since 632

Prophet Muhammad died in 632.He established above mentioned five pillars of Islam before his death.

Revelation of Quran also concluded before his death in 632.

[Hope]

And We sent, following in their footsteps,1 Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous

Muhammad and the early muslims never believed that the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians got corrupted and the Qur'an always speaks very highly about the Torah and Gospel:

Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord" (5:71).

How can the Jew or Christian, stand fast by the Law and the Gospel, if the Law and the Gospel have been corrupted or abrogated?

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee (10:94)

To make matters even worse for muslims is that allah says the 'uncorrupted' Torah and Injeel were still with the Jews and Christians at the time of Muhammad:

Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP).

And when there cometh unto them (Jews) a Scripture (the Qur'an) from Allah, confirming that in their possession (2:89 MP).

We know what Scriptures Jews and Christians had with them in the 7th century and they are the same Torah and Gospel we have today.

Therefore if you are a Muslim you should not attack the Bible since the Qur'an upholds it!

Quran talking about Gospel of Jesus. Where is the Gospel of Jesus?

Quran never mentions Old Testament, New Testament, Bible which your people named those.

[Hope]

The decision to recognize the four Gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—as canonical texts in the New Testament was made by early Christian leaders and councils over several centuries. Key figures in this process included church fathers such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Origen, who argued for the authenticity and apostolic origins of these texts. The criteria for selecting these Gospels involved factors like apostolic authorship, widespread use in early Christian communities, and theological consistency.

The formal canonization process was solidified in the 4th century, particularly with the councils of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD), which affirmed the inclusion of these four Gospels as part of the New Testament. Ultimately, the decisions were influenced by theological, historical, and liturgical considerations, as well as the need for a unified set of teachings for the growing Christian faith.

What will happen to People who followed gospel of Thomas?
Until 4th century how did they practice your religion?

[Hope]

The Old Testament (OT) is the first division of the Christian biblical canon, which is based primarily upon the 24 books of the Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh, a collection of ancient religious Hebrew and occasionally Aramaic writings by the Israelites..

The Torah consists only of 5 books...Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy 

You both have different numbers of books.
How?
How can Old Testament become Christian?there was Christianity during Moses